I just ordered a Holo Audio Red streamer and it has i2s output with configurable dipswitch settings. $800. At that price it’s worth trying.
Are There Roon Ready I2S Streamers?
I thought that it was worth asking.
I'm using an IFi Zen Streamer with USB out to a MacIntosh MA1200, but I'm looking at the Denafrips Terminator Plus R2R DAC and multiple reviews have been less than kind regarding using the USB in. This would mean adding the Denafrips Gia to reclock the USB in and export via I2S directly to the Terminator Plus. I figure that it would be best to just find a good Roon streamer with I2S out.
I have the Sonore Signature SE and tried using the Matrix DDC to I2S and really did not notice the big change others have. The Sonore is super sounding. That being said I think I will try the PS Audio AirLens when it comes out in the next few months. Its ONLY got an I2S and uses the same isolation their beloved SACD player does. Supposed to be around 2k. |
I'm using an iFi Zen Streamer through a Matrix Audio X-SPDIF to connect I2S to my DAC. There's always a trade off. I've added another device in the signal chain (and associated cables) but so far the improvement over USB is worth it to my ears. Next time around though, I think I'll be looking at a single box solution -- streamer/dac. |
Sonore makes the ultraRendu Roon Ready streamer and an add-on for it called the ultraDigital. This is a really good solution for a Roon Ready to i2s player. As @sns mentioned there is no standardization in the i2s pinout. Sonore gets around this by haveing dip switches that can be used to configure the ultraDigital to support most i2s DACs. |
I spent several years on my search for a top quality separate streamer to pair up with my DACs. As I went through this journey I ended up with a PSaudio Directstream DAC. This was my first DAC with I2S input. I tried various combinations of streamers with Matrix Audio X-SPDIF to get I2S to my DSD DAC. I discovered Musica Pristina about a year ago and purchased the ACapella III I2S streamer. It was like opening a window to full transparency. This streamer is better than anything I have tried, even at twice the price! AndKevin the designer is a joy to deal with. |
Thank you all for your help. I didn't mention that the MA-12000's DAC died over the weekend and that started me down this path. I also have called McIntosh. I purchased a Holo Audio May KTE and Timbernation maple equipment stand. When I'm close to delivery, will probably pickup 0.75M Audioquest Earth balanced interconnects and the Shunyata Sigma v2 NR power cable. Power conditioner and good power cables have been the biggest improvement to my system. |
Key is matching streamer to dac, purchase as package. Lots of nice dac's with optimized usb boards, which means quality clock, dedicated power supply, galvanic isolation all within dac, in this case optimized usb rendering from streamer and you're covered.
The problem with I2S is twofold, one is no standardization of pin outs or connectors, two, no conclusive evidence I2S superior to optimized usb. It would be a rare case where one could directly connect a streamer to dac without need of some conversion of pin outs via dip switch or custom built I2S cable. |
If you're over budget, I highly recommend the Allo USBridge Signature with Shanti power supply. I would sell mine but I guess I'll move it to my second system. I too used a Nuc for my core, I7 6 cores, maybe the same one you are using. I installed the Roon core inside of the windows environment that came with it and set it to autoload on reboot. Sometimes it doesn't reload and I have to take the nuc into my office and hook it up to a monitor to sort it out. Pain in the rear. So I'm going to install the ROCK this week and that should fix it. I was using another nuc as an exdpoint before I bought the USBridge, and it had the same problem. Dedicated components, not running windows, is the way to go. Jerry |
Nice equipment. I'm using an air cooled 10th generation i7 NUC as a server. Both the 432 and Innuos look to be well sorted, but I'm way over my budget for gear..so looking for value and intelligent compromise. I think that USB streamers make the most sense from a marketing standpoint, so a better DAC, or reclocker will have to do. |
we import servers the 432 evo servers from Belgium these are considered among the best sounding servers out there.
We had the usb vs i2s conversation with the designer. He said that he tested both outputs and concluded that i2s was not better and was nearly imposable to support as there are different implementation’s depending on the Dacs manufacturer. as per USB, we have clients using the Terminator and our 432 Evo servers and getting great sound. in order to have great sound from USB you have to isolate the Data correctly: In the case of our servers we have separate assemblies: the CPU is in its own board, the USB card. and Clock, are isolated physically and electrically from the CPU, a special laser sintered 3d printed shield electrical isolates and further shields the CPU, and absorbs radiated noise from the all-ready low noise quad core CPU,
Even Roon is isolated, we use 3 cores of the CPU independently, one core runs the program, one core runs other processes, one core handles files allocation it all comes down to design, building a world class Server is way more sophisticated and complex then what many people think Dave and Troy Audio intellect NJ US. importers 432EVO music servers |
Agreed..but I'm also caught in a self imposed loop. I have for years preferred vinyl, but I don't have a problem with spending 10K on a phono preamp, but I question how much better an external DAC will be vs the MA12000's DAC. The external phono preamp is much better. I agree that DACs should reclock USB inputs. I'm looking at a well reviewed Chinese DAC so I also need to overcome the idea of buying Chinese. |
my 2c. Maybe it is worth just what you pay for it. The bashing of USB is by people trying to sell you something else, and their customers and fans repeating it without real knowlege. I just bought a $4700 streamer. It feeds a $13000 DAC. I haven’t even investigated if any other connections are availabe. the quality equipment manages the usb connection properly. I do recommend the audioquest carbon usb cable. silver plated. Digital may be a place where the higher conductivity of silver works great. I was stuck with a generic one for several days waiting for the cable to show up. Huge difference. Jerry PS just checked and my innuos streamer supports only USB out. |