I realize I am a troglodyte, but you might start by explaining what Analog Magik is or does. I haven't a clue from what you wrote, except it may be a set-up tool, I am guessing.
AnologMagik
Would like to start by saying I have no affiliation to this
company or its products other than being a customer.
Deciding to jump hard back into vinyl a few months ago I
have put in a lot of time and work acquiring a VPI Direct Drive turntable with
a My Sonic Lab Ultra Eminent EX cartridge. They blew me away from the start and
happiness was all over the house when the VPI was spinning. After a few months
of enjoyment and reading many posts on this forum, I started to wonder if I was getting all
the bang for the buck out of my setup. Maybe a little finer tuning could bring
out a little more so I researched and found AnalogMagik. It seemed like a tool
even I could get some usefulness from.
When it arrived and was properly set up on my turntable, I spent a Saturday morning working thru the steps and made adjustments as best I could. I was able to get close to the parameters given in the program on most adjustments. The whole process took about 2 hours. The results STUNK! The sound was degraded from the music I was hearing before I used the program. Well crap, spent another hour adjusting the table back to a better sound. Mark that up to a failure.
A few months go by and I had the nagging feeling that my miss adventure with the AnalogMagik program may have been self-inflicted and suffered from lack of knowledge. So, I read all I could find on the set up and how it truly works and decided to give it another shot. Last Saturday I set it all back up, put a TV in the music room to watch football while I worked the program again. Could not listen to music because I had to sit between the speakers while working the AnalogMagik program. I spent all afternoon working each step, going back and forth between each adjustment because when one parameter changes it affects all the others. Well two football games and six beers later (That's over six hours for those who do not watch football) I was happy with the readings I was getting. Where they suggested a reading of .5 or better, I managed to get it to .05, reel tight to the marks. (Sailing term) Had to leave for the evening and did not get a chance to give it a test run.
Life being life I did not get a chance to turn the stereo on
until last night. Forgot about the Saturday marathon of adjusting. Probably
beer induced amnesia. Put on a Dire Straits album and sat down to listen. WTF,
why do I hear all that bass? Why do I hear finger friction on the guitar strings?
Why does it all sound so much better than it ever did before? Holy Crap Batman,
did I do that with AnalogMagik? Listened well pasted midnight and it was so
sweet. My setup is finely living up to its full potential.
Will be listening and enjoying a lot more from now on. Thank you AnologMagik!
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@lewm : Seems to me that you are to lazy: https://www.analogmagik.com/ Regards and wenjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Dear Raul, Yes, I am lazy. Cruising this website is a leisure activity for me, so I feel completely justified in my laziness, when I am here. If a person comes here for advice or opinions, the least he or she can do is to explain the question or the problem in at least some detail so as not leave it up to the reader to do a net search, as a prerequisite to offering help or an opinion. I would agree, however, that it is fair to assume readers have a certain baseline of knowledge in this field; the OP need not explain what a cartridge does, for example. Please also understand that I am not upset by the OP's presentation or with you for calling me out for being lazy. You have a point. By the way, I am very very happy with your phonolinepreamp. Thank you and Jose' for the obvious efforts you made to design, develop, and build it. In my opinion, it's a great achievement, and it's under-appreciated. |
Yes, this can be a difficult tool to use. Requires attention to detail, time and patience. I'm glad you returned and got the great results reported by others. I would also recommend Wally Tools (https://www.wallyanalog.com). Using their tools initially to establish a reference helps a lot in making AnalogMagik more efficient. I like using both these tool sets together. |
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The price is a little steep but you have to look at it like any other piece of gear in your system. If you have 10K or more invested in a turntable/cartridge you wouldn’t hook it up with $5 cables. It’s not permanently connected to your system but it's a huge part of the sound. So, if you are willing to pay $500 or more for a cable or $2K for a power conditioner, this is the same thing. |
notnow0329, for most people it is going to be at least $850. They have to buy an ADC to digitize the output of their phono stage. Without the ADC Analog Magik is worthless. For those who are already good at set up Analog Magik might make small improvements. The question is will $850 make more of an improvement spent elsewhere? I do not know the answer to that question. There are also some inconsistencies in Analog Magik's explanations. What good is setting your VTA to that of their test record when the actual VTA changes from one record to the next? They fail to mention this. Then there is the argument between physical and electrical azimuth alignment. I prefer physical so what they do is worthless to me. I do not mind spending money. I bought the SmarTractor alignment device. Nothing yet has interested me in buying this product and I already digitize my phono stage and my ADC has a USB output. |
If you hear big improvements then it was probably worth it. For that kind of money you could get the Origin Live belt, mat, and Enabler, and Synergistic PHT. These I know for sure would be a huge improvement. Or alternatively you could put the table on a Townshend Shelf or put the whole rack on Pods. These would also be a huge improvement. Whether as much improvement as you just heard depends largely on how good your setup was to begin with. Probably you could get within a gnats hair using a template downloaded for free off the internet. But then you would have to learn to listen in order to fine tune VTA. The prevailing message repeated over and over again on the Magik site ( I visited, and studied) is that this is not "scientifically repeatable". Don't listen, measure, is their mantra. Even though they also admit over and over again how often their measurements don't work. Oh. Well.... It does make me wonder when I see a .5 lb/in torque wrench for $200 that is sold on Amazon for $50. Hmm. Especially when they admit on the site this is another one of those things that varies and only works 75% of the time. It makes me wonder, if after setting the torque you still need to try and compare, why then did you need the fancy wrench in the first place? Things that make you go hmmmm.... But hey, the bottom line is you put a lot of time into learning first hand how all this stuff works. I bet you know a lot more now about VTA, VTF, and the profound affect setup has on LP playback. That alone is probably enough to get your money's worth out of it. I'm just glad you persevered and came out a winner in the end. Well done! |
The torque wrench thing made me curious so the other night I tried a few more adjustments. Had done this before and knew loosening was going in the right direction, no way I wanted to go tighter, so tried a little bit looser still. Only turned the slightest crack, barely 1/16 of a turn if that, but it was enough to open up midrange clarity and top end extension, without losing any bottom end, not that I could tell anyway. I've never been one to over-tighten anything, least of all a phono cartridge. They just don't need to be that tight. Even so I was surprised just how tight they do NOT need to be! I would venture a guess the vast majority are way too tight and the easiest improvement most can make is to just loosen the cartridge bolts very slightly, a tiny little bit at a time, until you stop hearing improvements. If the $200 torque wrench is what it takes to get someone to do this then I say well worth the money. But you can also do it like I did, for free. |
"I'll spend my money on more records....
" Could not agree more Audioguy85. I have reached an investment threshold with gear (For now) and enjoy spending the discretionary dollars on vinyl. When offspring number four graduated from college, my fun money went way up. Twelve years of private school and four years of college times four kids. I had no idea I made that much. The issue is are you willing to spend $750-850 to make your $10,000 investment in vinyl sound better? It becomes a cost benefit thing at some point. I invested $500.00 on a sonic record cleaning machine and the return is fantastic. The AnalogMagik program was more of a risky return investment thing, but it has paid off for me so far. Now I really look forward to dropping new vinyl on the turntable. And buying new vinyl. Happy listening this weekend to one and all. |
