OK Bill, that was classic, you know I liked that answer. |
Not all people hear well; when you combine those people with ones who don't listen well, and add folks who don't care about music; we are out numbered. Their "graphanolas" are just some kind of background noise. |
So much of what amps sound like is determined by the speakers. If the speaker designers are willing to sacrifice total sound potential in an effort to make the speakers easier to amplify, then it might not matter as much what amplifiers are used. |
Imagine if they were all built like my Ampzillas! Hail the King! |
I think we're all getting a bit snooty around here... as for me, I think instant coffee tastes fantastic, and who needs roast & ground coffee beans, or Starbucks for that matter...:-):-( |
Every amp sounds the same.
It's the power cord that makes a difference. |
This view will exist as long as audiophiles want to believe what they have is as good as it can get, and curiosity vanishes. Pursue your dream even if the imagnation meter barely moves. Me, I want to hear it all, but that is just me. Sometimes it can be too much....more equipment, less music, but such is the curious journey.... |
There's always been the camp that believes all well designed amps sound the same, so long as they're not clipping. My question has always been - define "well designed." What's the cut-off point of well designed vs crap? Is entry level NAD level stuff well designed, or are we talking McIntosh level?
There's also the all cables sound the same crowd. Their's a lot of people who belong to both groups simultaneously.
Lately I've seen a stronger all DACs sound the same crowd over at Pink Fish Media. They contend that DAC chips and stuff like that have surpassed recorded music's limitations.
I'm of the it's absurd to tell someone what they do and don't hear camp. Live and let live. I have nothing to gain from someone telling me what I'm hearing and what I'm supposedly making up in my head.
I'm just waiting for the all speakers sound the same uprising. I can see it now... All well designed speakers sound the same so long as they're not making the amp clip (remember they all sound the same too), the room is properly treated, and it is of appropriate size and shape with the appropriate furniture in it. The only difference is high and low frequency extension.
Just wait, that one's coming soon. |
DEJA VU(Stereo Review)! Or perhaps, simply a plagerizing of some of Julian(stone-deaf) Hirsch's better columns(some were more hilarious than others). |
any comments on this, my learned brethren.
http://www.theaudiocritic.com/back_issues/The_Audio_Critic_26_r.pdf |
This is as accurate as "Full, rich sound" from Bose.
You either buy into their viewpoint, or you don't. |
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Some of you guys guessed it right. Here's the latest quote:
"You've been sold a bill of goods my friend. There's a lot snake oil in "high-end" audio and anybody that tells you that a two channel amp sounds better than a multichannel amp or a receiver for that matter is pushing snake oil. Drop by Audioholics sometime my friend."
I wish someone had told me this a little earlier, I could have saved a ton of money, LOL.
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If you can't perceive the differences in tonality, resolution, sound staging, imaging, ambience recovery, etc, between various amps; you're blessed(think of all the money you'll save, by NEVER having to upgrade). |
speaking the TRUTH on this site, is like throwing Holy Water on a vampire hahahahhahahahaha |
Most non audiophiles and non music lovers wouldn't hear a difference . Everyone is entitled to there own opinion , even if it is lame . |
Onhwy61, makes a good point. |
It's not that the original quote is necessarily all that far off, as Onhwy61 explained.
The attitude however is know-nothingish, and that's the last thing this planet needs.
In addition, it does make a difference whether your amp is built by robots, corporate slave labor, or technicians and engineers that really care about their amps.
So in the end, there is plenty wrong with the quote after all, without even entering into the obvious experience that we've all had when we finally got our hands on a fine amp. |
Russ 69:
while the quote you have chosen is preposterous, it illustrates how ignorant people are.
one should not make statements about component differences without some evidence. |
If the history I've read is correct, the big magazines refused blind testing after one of them tried it on a range of amps and found that they couldn't reliably tell the expensive ones from the cheap ones.
That's not the same thing as saying they sounded the same, but it might hold true today that your ears alone won't drive you to prefer a costlier amp or a new amp over a vintage amp. |
a sales pitch IMO
"Once you get to this price point it is safe to buy because thay all sound the same"
In other words, buy from me, do not look around...
just a thought |
Head for the high ground. This thread may quickly morph into another version of "do power cords really make a difference?" Onhwy61 makes a good point though, consider the source and the intended audience before lobbing invective. |
For the overwhelming majority of music listeners the statements make very good sense. If you download your music from popular/non-audiophile sites, don't use acoustic room treatments, don't have a dedicated listen room, haven't meticulously positioned your loudspeakers and don't seat in a sweet spot, then why spend over $1k on an amplifier?
There's no need for snobbish bashing. |
AVS or Audioholics I bet.... |
It's his opinion. Everyone has one and is entitled to it. I happen to think he's off base but what do I know !!!! |
No, he still reads Stereo Review magazine. LOL |
Hey it must be the zip cords he's using for speaker cables :) |
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From those with a "$600-1000 street price" budget, and their ears filled with advice from salesmen at big box stores. |
Yeah, obviously this guy doesn't know what he's talking about with any of this.
He probably works at an electronics store, let's say Best Buy or Fry's. |
