Absorption behind components and speakers rationale?


I get that absorption panels are used to absorb the first reflection and limit reverberations is a good idea.  And a rug and maybe some additional panels help absorb Rogue Sonic waves.

But what's the rationale for including absorption panels behind the system.  I have a window door behind my system and maybe this is impacting things in a negative way.

Just looking for a simple easy to understand rationale because not very smart.

emergingsoul

The GIK Tri Traps that are triangular are somewhat effective, but nowhere near as effective as the full sized corner traps or the ASC Tube Traps (which are even more effective). With the tube traps, you are supposed to place them with a little room between the corners and the traps so that it can absorb upon the reflection of the corner, while the front half of the traps have a diffusion layer so that it doesn’t overly deaden the high frequencies. In all fairness, the Tri Traps can now be purchased with attractive diffusion panels in front, but the Tube Traps are much, much more effective. I speak from personal experience having had both and not being a dealer for either. 

That's curious about cylindrical traps. Is there much of a difference between cylindrical and the triangle panels that fit snuggling into the corner?

Behind speakers is usually to clean bass reflections. But this means panels must be THICK (2" and up) and/or use cylindrical traps in corners

Absorption behind speakers can reduce bass cancellation. As you move the speakers out into the room a different bass frequency is affected. The bass traps reduce this cancellation.

@immatthewj

I know, so I may need to double them up.  I may need to find different ones without the full back adhesive which I found on others. 

 

 

It appears as if those Bubos acoustical panels from Amazon are only 0.4 " thick.

@aldavis

Incredible comment and I understood what was said which is pretty remarkable for someone like me.

I think the pressure up in the front of the room and having it bounce back and degrade the signal coming from the speakers is of note. Smearing is an interesting term.

Below 200 hz or so sound waves become more modal eventually becoming omnidirectional. Speakers are usually closest to the front wall so that there is typically a lot of low frequency energy pooling in the front of the room. Thick absorption on the lower portion of the front walls and both corners floor to ceiling will help with this. Between the speakers there is always the possibility of sound waves hitting this area and causing smearing of your signal in 2 ways. One is edge diffraction where mid and high frequency sound waves can hit your front wall if the drivers are more than an inch or so from the cabinet edge especially if the cabinet isn't curved. This sound wave when it strikes the the front wall can ricochet back to your listening position and allow out of time signal to arrive slightly after the primary signal smearing the sound. You can either diffuse or absorb the area between your speakers to fix this depending upon taste. The second possibility are from sound waves reflecting off the rear wall directly from your speakers then hitting the front wall and then returning to the listening position. These will be quite weak and not terribly problematic. Also remember to measure the distance from your speaker to the front wall and determine the frequency wavelength for this distance. 1/4 wavelength of this distance will return (SBIF) and cancel that frequency. When you calculate that wavelength treat it on the front wall. Blankets etc. are not helpful as they simply turn down the tweeter as they aren't thick enough to treat midrange down. I would recommend at least 4 inches of a good absorber (not foam). True bass traps (effective below 150hz or so) need to be thicker and/or engineered specifically for the task. 1st reflection points can be diffused but you need to be 3 times the lowest frequencies wavelength and good ones are very expensive. 

@emergingsoul - The reason the front wall can/should be treated is because most rooms reverberate when charged by the speakers and because it, too a different points has standing waves and reflections that will smear the sound field. 

If your speakers are ported to the rear, bottom, or sides, it will charge the front wall. Some speakers have multiple ports, some lower for the bass, some higher for the mids and tweets, so you may see a lower level of absorption and a higher level of diffusion behind the speakers, or between the speakers in the center. In my reference setup,

I’ve found Vicoustic Multifusors to be incredible in adding depth to the soundstage and making the center image as coherent as possible. I also use GIK Monster Bass Traps behind my speakers below 36”, as well as ASC Tube Traps from floor to ceiling in the front corners to absorb bass while diffusing higher frequencies. 
 

I have a pic of these treatments on my virtual system page:

https://www.audiogon.com/systems/11410

I get that absorption panels are used to absorb the first reflection

I thought that the general rule of thumb was diffusion panels at the first point of reflection?  Had I thought wrong? 

I found some bubos acoustical panels 4' x 2', a pack of five for about 100 bucks. On Amazono.

Fairly nice looking and probably will do good things I used panels like this before and super convenient

At least they can be easily adhered to the French double doors. I feel really smart right now

+1. @soix.

Room correction can be overdone. So, it is best to try using simple methods to determine whether you need to do any correcting. A blanket, or rug makes a great adsorption tool.

Bob 

Try hanging a blanket or quilt in front of the door as a test and see what you get and go from there. It should help as obviously the glass door surely isn’t doing you any favors.