I Don't Understand What Determines When A Thread Gets The Axe


I've only been a member of Audiogon since 2016 or 2017, so maybe some "old timers" could fill me in.  I don't understand how threads covering "beaten like a dead horse" topics, for example, oh off the top of my head, "Cable Deniers", can carry on for days or weeks, have pages and pages of posts from Members that frankly get quite ugly with name calling and basically Grade School playground behavior...yet the Moderators never say a word or never step in with the, "This Discussion Is Closed" Czar-like ruling.

 

However, when a Member like, say @verdantaudio, tries to warn us about Fraudulent Retail Websites AND has proof that these sites are ripping people off, along with proof from other Audiogon Members who provide examples of these sites conducting fraudulent business activities, the Discussion is shut down and closed.  WHO decided to close the discussion?  The original poster?  Audiogon?  How do you find out?  Better yet, WHY was a topic as important as Fraud shut down after only 30 posts, some with extremely valuable information such as one member who had done a Whois.com research showing extremely sketchy information and another Member who had information about the state of Kansas Fraud Unit investigating one of the companies.

 

Is it because a Forum Member kept complaining about the post?  Do the businesses in question advertise on Audiogon?  I'm very curious who makes the decisions on which discussions get shut down and which discussions are allowed to drone on and on with behavior and comments that people would NEVER have the guts to say to one another face to face.  I've truly wondered this ever since I joined this fantastic audio community -- a place where I've learned more in 7 years than I had learned in the previous 35 years!

 

I must say I wasn't at all surprised when I saw the discussion had been closed.  After all, a Member had made this cryptic post  -- "My guess is this thread won't last."  Let's see how long this one does (before it gets zapped, I'd sure like to know the outcome of the Kansas fraud unit that is investigating the company). 

 

Slow down and enjoy the music...

allenf1963

First I have a question. Was this thread completely removed and not just closed? I read the original thread and noted that it was closed but is it now removed completely? I can't find it.

If so then this is really wierd. I did a search for threads with the word "fraud" and found dozens that are still available. Many were fraud warnings not unlike what @verdantaudio posted.

If I understand the Moderator correctly, someone had to flag the thread. Could the scammers have found the thread, flagged it, and had it removed? If it wasn't one of the scammers, then would the person who flagged the thread come forward and let us know why they flagged it?

I saw absolutely nothing wrong or objectionable with the @verdantaudio post or his responses to questions and challenges from other members. He provided solid evidence for his claim and answered each challenge calmly and respectfully. I, for one, greatly appreciate him posting this information and I am baffled why the thread was removed - especially when many other threads warning of fraud have been spared.

I really wish the Moderator would let us know what specifically happened in this case. I have a bad feeling about this......

@admin

"Why Forum Post May Be Removed"

You should include any injection of politics by a poster.  This quickly derails any thread.

@yowser,  @audiogon 

I once got post removed literally containing  "Bad Music Matters!" slogan LOL. Looks like "Don't even THINK about even indirect referral to..." 

I think it would be helpful to identify members who are dealers.  This might help to determine their bias.

I just came across this thread while looking at "Top Discussions" in my Daily Recap email from this site. Oddly enough, I was watching this guy’s videos about fuses a couple days ago and subscribed to him on youtube. Last night I was watching some other of his videos and came across this.

 

Out of curiosity: Is this what all the fuss is all about?

@deep_333 -- Sorry, but no tin foil conspiracy or massive sales collusion with kickbacks going on between myself and Verdant Audio. The REASON I tagged him was to make it easy for anyone wanting to see the thread and the comments that I mentioned in my post. At the time of my post (February 7th at 12:40 a.m.), you could still read the post @verdantaudio had made along with the 30 replies -- the post had not been deleted, the conversation had just been shut down. I have not tried to find the post as of this writing...so I don’t know if it has been deleted or not. Too answer your question -- no, the post wasn’t a situation of "him bad, me good". It was Verdant alerting us that two online "sellers" were listing products that they were not authorized to sell, and the advertising they were using online had been simply "cut and pasted" from Verdant’s website. I went to the websites of the two companies mentioned, and under their "Products" for sale menu, Verdant speakers aren’t even listed. However, if you do a Google search of the company name and Verdant, lo and behold links appear with product information, specs, and a fantastic "too good to be true" price and you can "purchase" the product with the click of a button. From replies in the comments section, bad things happen from that point forward. Hopefully that clears that up for you.

 

@cleeds -- I believe you have been on this Forum longer than I have, so I’ll take your word about the "even handed" Moderator actions. In my eyes, there just seems to be a lot of discussions shut down, deleted, etc., over the last 5 years and for the life of me, I couldn’t figure out why. I have actually asked the question, but never got an answer. Now do I spend hours on this site, searching for threads that have been deleted, and questioning the reason for every one?? Of course not. But I’m fairly certain that I’ve inquired 3 or 4 times ever since I became a Member -- especially during the Lockdown time frame. That was a stretch where I was seeing LONGTIME Members getting banned and having threads shut down right and left. A coorelation between "cabin fever" and short fuses? Absolutely.

 

@yogiboy -- "Thank you for your time. I hope you have a great day." (As he’s walking away, Columbo suddenly stops, turns and cocks his head to the side). "By the way, just one more thing..."

 

@erik_squires -- Sir, this is to inform you that you now owe me a brand new computer monitor. When I read your "I’m a frayed knot" punchline, I did an epic "spit take" and soaked my monitor in Guiness Stout. Since we are fellow music lovers, I’m not going to charge you for the cost of the Guiness...unless you leave me no alternative.

 

@8th-note -- My thoughts exactly. I was trying to find the original post by Verdant to back up what I said to @deep_333 above, but could not find it either. It does appear that it has gone from "Discussion Closed" to "Discussion Deleted", which is utterly ridiculous. There was absolutely NOTHING in his post that violated anything listed in the post from the Admin. Nothing. This reeks of shady.

 

@veerossi -- "Is this what the fuss is about?" Not in the least bit. Unfortunately, it appears that the Admin at Audigon has now deleted the post instead of just stopping the discussion, so you can't read it. I’m kicking myself for not doing a screen shot of the post, because I knew the Mod’s would delete it. I don’t know if he saved a copy, but, if you read the post above by @verdantaudio you can get a sense of the "Red Flag" warning -- and the original post also had replies from other Members with highlighted examples that raised the caution flags even higher up the flag pole.