Big speakers, are they really the best way to get great sound?


Yesterday, I had the opportunity to listen to some very large speakers that are considered to be at, or close to, the pinnacle in speaker design and ability. Needless to say, the speakers retail in the mid to high $300k range. These speakers, and I will not be naming them, were sourced by about $800k of upstream gear. Room size was about thirty by twenty, maybe a little larger.
To say the the overall sound was BIG would be accurate, but also I noticed something else, that I typically hear with big speaker systems. Generally, the speakers were right on edge of overloading the room, depending on music, the dreaded bass boom could be heard. But, the whole presentation was greater in impact than most any smaller speaker system, yet it was almost unlistenable for the long term.

The question I asked myself, is do we really want this type of presentation in our home audio systems? The speakers threw a pretty large soundstage, but also made things sound somewhat larger than life. I also thought that this type of speaker is akin to the large box dynamic speakers of yesteryear. For example, a set of large horns from Altec Lansing or similar was reminiscent of this sound. Makes me believe that if one has a big room, a similar sound can be obtained from most any large speaker system and at a fraction of the price.

I listen in a very small room, and by necessity in the near field, yet I think the overall intimacy of this type of listening experience is better for me, your thoughts?

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@mihorn wrote:

If you don’t have a live recording of your own, please let me know you think/believe/heard the best sounding large speaker in the world. Or may be the closest sounding system to your system. I’ll count it as your system. It is OK to include > $million speakers. Please list few if you can. Then we can talk about the proper approach. Alex/Wavetouch

Let’s take a previous reply of yours once again:

“Every speaker above 50 Hertz is a small speaker” in below video. It doesn’t have to be large speakers for a big room. My system consists 5.24” woofer 2way speakers with 8” powered sub. I am very happy. Alex/Wavetouch

If you truly believe the above then I can only assume you haven’t heard the difference a large, preferably high efficiency speaker setup can do. There’s no easy domestic equivalent to the system I have in my home, but some setups I’ve heard that resemble it in core areas is the actively driven Vitavox Thunderbolt system with 10-cell Vitavox mids horns (w/S3 drivers) and Mundorf AMT’s (augmented with 15" ATC subs), or JBL’s 5672 cinema system.

Are they among the best I’ve heard? In some areas, yes. The Thunderbolt bass horns, non-truncated (but of course 1/4-wave), are hitting ~40Hz, so close to your 50Hz number mentioned, and yet they’re anything but small to say the least - that’s what 105dB’s sensitivity is about per Hofmann’s Iron Law. In that light a ~5" woofer/midrange + dome tweeter(?) and 8" subs augmented, indeed any such variant, sounds small and utterly malnourished by comparison.

So, is sounding "big" a quality in itself? No, not necessarily; depending on the context you can overdo it for sure. The main takeaway here to my ears is what sounds more natural, uninhibited and live-/life like in core areas, and not least effortless, and the high eff. systems mentioned (well-implemented) - including my own - can do just that.

I’d like to stress that what I’m after/advocating is not about effect or being easily impressed here - though some of the members around here would like to believe it is - but simply what presents itself less reproduced and, again, more natural. That being said you can only do so much trying to convince others who believe the higher price tag with low eff. stuff from known hifi brands is the sole quality marker, and who finds anything big (and off-segment) in speakers to be an inconvenience or offence even (and I’m not pointing my fingers at you here). Indeed: what’s "natural" sounding to some obviously isn’t to others - if only it came down to that.

No doubt.....Big speakers are the best way to have it all from top-to bottom "BASS"   Dynamics, Slam and Impact. 

@kennymacc   You put your 'big' speaker in a small room ( or a room that is not synergistic with this speaker) and see if it gets you what you state---- top-to-bottom "BASS'", Dynamics, Slam and Impact! 

Then tell us they are the best way to have it all from top-to-bottom. 

I think you may be changing your mind.

 

 

Small room= monitors or small floor standers and subs properly eq-ed.

 

larger room= bigger floor standers and subs properly eq-ed. 
 

I do however prefer a 3 way design even if in the monitor class. 

daveyt:  My room is rather small to most audiophile standards at 12'x13'.  Also, my room isn't perfectly shaped either except for that end of the room where the speakers sit. The back half of my room is about a foot narrower than the front half of the room.  However, I still get incredible overall results and breathtaking bass response in my room with my larger pair of Revel Salon 2 speakers (not sure how large of a speaker you're thinking of.  However, the Revel Salon 2s are large enough for this exercise).  The Revel Salon 2 speakers are magnificent speakers and can still compete very favorably with todays current best offerings.  The key to why my speakers are such a big-time success in my room?  The Bass (and tweeters) sections are adjustable.  I don't run the speakers with the bass in the "Normal" position, which is full bore.  I run my speakers in the "Contour" mode, which is design to enable my speakers to be placed a smaller rooms, closer to the front wall, and still deliver astonishing bass response.  I discovered this about the  Revel Salon speakers way back in the early 2000s, when I had a pair on Salon 1 speakers in a similarly sized room and I was able to achieve magnificent bass response in that room as well.  This is my retirement home, and as long as I'm here, the Revel Salon 2 speakers will remain!!!   Unless at some point in my already advanced years, I decide that true full range bass is no longer a priority for me.  But, that is highly unlikely.  With the Revel Salon 2 speakers, in my smallish room, I'm truly living the high end audio, audiophile "Dream" in my room.  Happing listening.