Speaker positioning: why do audiophiles neglect this so much?


Went to a recent seminar featuring Jim Smith, well known author of the book  "Get Better Sound"  and hi fi set up guru.

The basic gist of the discussion was that the most important elements of a high end stereo installation are listening position and speaker positioning, in that order.  The actual hardware (speakers, amplifiers, source, cables etc) are of less importance relatively speaking.

Yet it is clear from this web site and it's contents, that set up is discussed much less than the actual hardware.

When I look at the Virtual Systems page on site, I'm estimating that, maybe, 10% of the systems posted are close to well set up.  Thus, hardly any of the featured hardware is performing close to it's maximum potential.

Shame, and why is it so?  Not sexy enough to talk about system set up in depth?  Lack of knowledge?  Or is it simply too hard to do and too complex a subject?

Just my 2 cents ...

bobbydd

@sharri

Starting with the speakers in a sub-optimal position, it's easy to discern improvements in the sound. As the speakers approach a more optimal position, the sound improves. It was absolutely something I could hear. Detailed note taking supported the optimum position, as three different times I preferred that location. The 1/3, 1/4, 1/5 room width markers were simply guides, just like the perpendicular strips placed every 6 inches. The final speaker position did not fall exactly on those markers.

And no reference sound was targeted. I am trying to get my system to sound the best it can in the room it is in–my ears being the barometer. 19 different positions is what it took to get one step closer to that goal.

My room is symmetrical, thus why I used a laser measure to precisely place the speakers, and yes, the listening chair too.

I found that with detail to set up and positioning (using measurements and tape tape to mark changes) and by positioning with the tweeter section of my Maggies to the outside rather than inside, I was able to get very good and detailed imaging and a stable wide and deep stag - wether setting or standing, in or out of the favored listening position. If I change either or both speakers, even by 1/2", the imaging and stage, especially off axis, will somewhat diminish.

I agree with wolf_garcia, regarding your listening space being part of your home. I have no desire to turn my audio room into an anechoic chamber - it is a comfortable and integral part of my home, furniture and all. Since my floors are carpeted and ceilings soft fiber tile, about the only thing I needed to do was to cover the wall behind speakers with acoustic drapes and use one corner bass trap and it all looks, works and sounds great to me .....Jim

Speaker placement is tricky.  Of course having nothing between the speakers would be preferred but long cable runs or equipment placement may prevent that from happening.

I tried multiple placement configurations based on several "mathematical" models.  There are too many variables with furnishings to make it truly work but can be used as a general guide.  I found the most effective placement technique was to use the Wilson audio set up guide with the room furnished as you plan to use it.  I also found it effective to use the Jim Smith guide relative to the speakers and listening chair.  The distance between the speakers are 83 to 86% of the distance from the speakers to the listening chair.  Just my two cents worth.

My wife puts up with acoustic panels on walls and I have autonomy in speaker and listening position - but don't think I'd get away with the experimental room tuning you've got going on: 

https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8221

I like a good tweak like the next guy. But those photos make me think someone is teetering on the line of mental illness.

 

 

I would find it disconcerting if, when listening to a string quartet, the first violin appeared to be sitting fifteen feet away from the cello.