I just sold a Concentra to buy a Concentra 2 so I'm one of the people selling Rowland.
In my experience on Audiogon there are favorite brands that carry the day for a time and Pass is enjoying that now. Krell seems to have fallen from favor in the past few years. As neither appealed to me in the first place, this is a non-issue.
Rowland and Goldmund operate so far above the Agon noisemakers that they receive little notice but they are perhaps the two most innovative companies offering solid state today.
Yes, they are expensive, and as such invite your "just as good as" comments but the fact is that if you live with their products for a protracted period and you can appreciate subtlety, then there is nothing better in solid state. |
I 3rd Danielk141's comment regarding Taters' comments. I also suspect he is correct with regard to many Rowland owners upgrading to the new Rowland amps. |
I know of one person that had Rowlands and got rid of them after auditioning Parasounds new JC-1. |
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Sogood51, I too wish I had $1 everytime some one makes that comment as well; I am positive I can save enough money to buy a Krell within a year.
I personally have never own Krell amps, but I do hear many people made comments about the product being bright in this forum. (Actually, I heard a lot of bad and good things about products here and would probably never have a clue without this site.) In any event, I even had a guy offering to trade my his Krell amp for my CLass-200 for that reason. I personally think any equipment can perform subpar if not matched well with other equipments or speakers. When I first purchase my Classe, I could not listen to more than 20 minutes due to listening fatigue from the harsh brightness. My amp sings now when I switched my B&W speakers for Dynaudio. My point here, let's give the each product a benefit of the doubt before jumping into conclusions. For those making good and bad comments about product should provide support facts. I am just affraid that if we all hear that Krell amps are bright, then we may fall into the self fulfilling prophecy by believing before we he listen to it. Just my opinions. |
3chihuahuas, all the Roland guys and gals are lucky thats all he said. If the post would have been Krell (which I own) people would be crawling out of the woodwork to tell us how brite our amps sound. Heck, this mite even do it. I wish I had a dollar every time someone told a Krell owner how brite and dry his amps must sound. I have even read stories were people had to run out of the showroom it was so bad. Well I just thought I would bring this up so the Roland people would feel a little better, gotta get back to my brite system. |
People are selling because of the economy. Just wish I have a lot of $$$ to pick up some of the good deals here.
As for Taters' comments, this is an mature oriented forum. When you make such statements of Rowland products, or any products in general, you should state facts supporting your point of view. Some or most may disagree with your personal taste, but at least they will still respect your opinion. Stating claims about a product being bad without supporting evidents is just not classy. |
I admit it, I'm a JRDG fan. I've owned the Coherence II preamp (the early 90s version), a Model 1 power amp, a Concentra integrated and a Model 112 power amp. All were purchased used or demo. Besides the great looks and build quality, Rowland has a wonderful sonic presentation. It always favors the musical performance over the hi-fi details. At some of the prices listed they're a bargain. Is there better sounding equipment out there? Of course, but there's always a faster gun (so to speak). |
GamuT D200 or Herron 150 monoblock both for around $5K IMHO is better than any Rowland amps. |
Taters, so what stuff do you think is better than Roland in the same price area, that doesn't look as good but sounds way better? The Roland stuff is not followed closely by Stereophile (they rarely review it and thus don't put in the recommended components) but many rather qualified people feel it is some of the best equipment out there |
I am glad you all like your Roland gear.
I will admit it is the prettiest stuff on the planet.
I am just wondering If it did not look so beautiful
would you still be buying It!
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Taters, were is your respones??? The Jeff Rowland and Pass Amp's are both Excllent amp's Respectiale. I also think it has to do with the Economy and Amp upgrades. |
I second Danielk141's comments regarding Tater's remark! |
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Rowland & Pass are both coming out with new amplifiers. So I'm sure at least some sellers of both are moving to the new pieces. With respect to Tater's comment, come on, mention one name brand you think sounds better. This is a chat room! At least we can debate if you will declare your preference!
Debate Good! Put downs Bad! |
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I think there are a lot of people out of work, and good amp makes house payment for a few months, thats what I think.
The news says the average un-employed is out of work for better than 6 months. If it's your amp or you house, it's a no brainer!!!
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I think many people are probably upgrading as Rec said, also, even at used prices Rowland gear is expensive and in today's economy higher priced items move more slowly in general. |
With respect to Taters there may be better sounding equipment out there but at its price point I haven't found any. I have a Jeff Rowland Model 10 amplifier and it is one of the best pieces I have ever heard. Jeff Rowland is a very popular brand with excellent sales so it is not unusal to have used items for sale. Also they just introduced a new amplifier and some may be upgrading and selling their old equipment. |
People realize there is better sounding equipment out there! |
People have evil twins... |
Same thing goes for a rush of Pass gear listed within the last 24 hours. People are either moving onto other / newer gear or hurting for cash. Sean
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