Why can I feel vibration when I touch my network switch or streamer?


I have a Silent Angel Bonn N8 switch powered by a Forester F1 linear power supply, which is attached to an Innuos Zen Mini Mk3 with a SSD, also powered by a linear power supply.  The N8 and Mini sit on top of their power supplies.

 

When I lightly touch the top of either the N8 or Mini, I can feel a slight vibration.  I am surprised by this because neither device has any moving parts that I know of.

 

Why does this vibration occur?  Is it inherent vibration of the electrical parts within the devices (e.g., resistors, capacitors)?

 

Would I be well-advised to avoid stacking the N8 and Mini on their power supplies?

 

Should I simply decrease my coffee intake?

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All of the replies are interesting and helpful. I should have added that I am new to the audiophile world.  My enjoyment of the gear and the wonderful sound of the music has stoked my enthusiasm to learn more.  Regardless of the vibration, the Innuos Zen Mini Mk3 sounds great, and the Silent Angel Bonn N8 made a nice improvement.  In my case, isoAcoustics Orea footers made no difference for the Innous gear, nor did the Silent Angel footers for the Bonn N8 and its power supply.  So, I come away from the discussion with little concern about the sound, and feeling enlightened with more knowledge.  Thanks all!

Unless you keep your network gear under your pillow and it keeps you from sleeping, I'm not sure why having a network switch vibrate is of concern.  

You mentioned you're using linear supplies - linear power supplies use 60 (50) Hz transformers. Transformers vibrate, and it's noticeable at those frequencies. Switch-mode supply transformers typically operate at much higher (80kHz +) frequencies so you would not "feel" those vibrations. There are some very clean switch-mode supplies on the market, and their noise signatures are well above audio frequencies. Might be worth a try.

When I lightly touch the top of either the N8 or Mini, I can feel a slight vibration. I am surprised by this because neither device has any moving parts that I know of.

Why does this vibration occur? Is it inherent vibration of the electrical parts within the devices (e.g., resistors, capacitors)?

Listen to what Robert is saying above: electricity is movement. In North America it alternates, or has a frequency of 60Hz, (if you are in Europe it is 50Hz), so it changes direction 120/100 times a second. Changing current causes a magnetic field, so all the metal around this is attracted, then repelled repeatly, very quickly, causing vibrations. Larger transformers- (in your case they are quite small and knock down your 120v or 220v to 9v (etc.) for your power supply) can actually hum- that is the movement of metal in that magnetic field are attracted and repelled so quickly, those vibrations are strong and quick enough to create sound waves in the audible frequency range. I have read that some capacitors, as they change shape during absorbing and releasing energy, can also vibrate.

 

Would I be well-advised to avoid stacking the N8 and Mini on their power supplies?

Yes, let us know if it sounds better. And if you go so far as some suggestions above regarding footers, the above is the reason companies that specialize in resonance or vibration control state that for components, the best place to put footers is under power supplies.

From Nordost: The performance will be influenced by the precise placement of the Kones. You should seek to position them directly beneath the largest energy source(s) in each item of electronics. These are generally any transport or power supply elements.

 

Should I simply decrease my coffee intake?

Absolutely not!

It is probably a good idea to separate the power supplies from the components. Try separating them all and see if you can detect which one is vibrating. If both linear power supplies are vibrating, it might indicate you have some dirty power issues further up the chain.

I think the vibration issues some are referring to are micro vibrations which are controlled with different equipment footers spikes, isoacoustics etc. I’ve never felt micro vibrations. Anytime I have felt vibrations was with older vintage equipment and it was a grounding issue. 

You should have the mini isoacoustics to separate and absorb the vibration which  has internal parts that  have micro vibration at certain frequencies .

the stock feet are NG  these mini feet by iso acoustic work very well.

+1 @allanblissett   I have my switch and modem sitting on a Townshend platform, with their power supplies neatly tucked underneath.

Electricity establishes vibration on all circuits, capacitors, transformers, transistors, resistors, and parts. You cannot stop vibrations from taking place if using electricity or man-made power sources. 

Sound is Vibration. You will never destroy, isolate, decouple, or terminate vibrations, particularly in a vibrating musical environment. Once you get past that reality, the fears of vibration become less of a concern as the initial vibrations provide the dynamics and harmonic layers we seek as listeners. 

In audio, vibration has become more of a fear than understanding. You are in a musical environment where sound is present. The speakers vibrate, electronics, equipment racking, structural angles and surfaces, and everything else, including the room develop resonance caused by vibrations. 

Resonance clogs all signal pathways such as electrical, electro-mechanical, and acoustic. Mechanical grounding establishes a path for resonance to evacuate the equipment to Earth’s ground in real-time. Equipment Operational Efficiency is the result. Effortless operation, volume increases, and increased musical qualities are easily heard when operational efficiency is presented. 

Robert

LiveVibe Audio

 

Yes take them off the power supplies,  place the power supplies as far away as possible.