Dear Halcro: As a whole your post make no sense and IMHO is only an iterpretation by your self because I never said it in that way.
A price in a product is not the main subject in a product but only a consequence of what we pay for what we receive. Normally in almost any kind of product/merchandise we pay more for a better product and IMHO if a manufacturer ( almost any ) put a higher price in a product in comparison with other model in the same product line this nromaly means is because the higher price producto gives you additional " benefits ". I don't remember that I paid higher prices for products that gives me lower performance or less benefits: makes no sense to think it, like you.
Can I ask you when was the last time you read ( everywhere ) that the Lira Helikon outperforms the Olympos? or that the r-100 outperforms the Universe or that the 23R outperforms the XV-1s or that the MC10- beats the Colibrí or that a BMW series 3 beats the series 5 or that a Z3 outperforms the Z4-5 or that a Civic beats an Accord or that a 110 wool suit is better than a 150 one or that a Koetsu black is better than the Coral stone or the FR 7 better than the FR7fc?
What are you talking about? in all those cases the higher price product is way better than the lower price one: do you think that the manufacturers are stupid enough to think their customers will pay a higher price for a lesser product? how much time do you think a manufacturer stupid enough to did/do it that could survive in the market?
++++++ " As for your pronouncements that a 'better' cartridge can sound 'worse' because the audio system into which it's inserted "can't shows it" because of "his system limitations" " +++++
IMHO if a better cartridge quality performance sample can't sounds better in some audio systems where sounds better in others then common sense tell us that in those systems where can't performs better where can't shows at its best exist ( for whatever reasons. ) limitations of different kind.
Halcro, please re-read my post in this thread and the other one in the TK5 thread and please for once don't try to find out where I'm wrong ( no one is perfect. ) but what if I'm not wrong.
You are a clear example of an audiophile that think and feels a " Vettel " driving a Ferrari Formula One with out take in count if in reality you have the Vettel skills to drive that kind of car and with out take in count that your system is not that Ferrari true Formula One but a nice car full of limitations.
Again please don't argue against me because the whole subject ( like it or not ) is you and your self knowledge/ignorance level and your system level.
Seems to me that you think you are at the very top, please ask you why do you think you are there? what facts makes you think in that way?, I can tell you where you are but the better way to help you ( even that you are not asking for help because maybe you think you don't need it. ) is that you try hard to find out by your self.
No, I don't think I'm already at the very top but the difference between you and me is that I know for sure where I'm. I'm not better than you overall the difference ( between other things. ) is that I have on porpose training that you did not and that I learn every single day from any one including you.
Use your energy not to " attack " my opinions but to improve your self on the whole music/audio subject.
One road that always help me to elarn and improve/grow-up is time to time make a " stop " revise my targets test it against what I have and ask me why am I seated where I'm? and if my today status are according my whole targets and if helps to achieve all of them but the main critical question is: where I'm wrong? why? aLL THESE NEEDS A METHOD/PROCCESS TO DO IT, IT IS NOT AT RANDOM IF YOU WANT TO HAVE SUCCESS.
Anyway, have fun with.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear Raul, Your generalisations and comparisons are flawed and misleading. The Porsche 911 Carrera 4 is NOT a better car than the Carrera 2 despite it costing more and being a 'higher model' in the Porsche range? The Porsche GT2 is NOT a better car than the GT3 despite it costing more and being a 'higher model' in the Porsche range? A BMW M5 is NOT a better car than the M3 despite it costing more and being a 'higher model' in the BMW range? The FR7fc is NOT a better cartridge than the FR7f despite it initially costing more and being a 'higher model' in the FR range of cartridges? The VPI TNT is NOT a better turntable than the VPI Scout or VPI Classic despite it costing more and being a 'higher model' in the VPI range? A Rega P5 or P9 is NOT a better turntable than a P3 despite it being a 'higher model' in the Rega range? A Signet TK-10ML is NOT a better cartridge than the TK-7SU or TK-5Ea despite it being a 'higher model' in the Signet range? So please desist with these blanket generalisations which frankly are irrelevant to any useful discussions on the value of audio components as heard in our "amateur audiophile" systems.
And if I ever read again about your "special training" in the art of audio listening, I'm likely to be physically ill all over my cut-price iPad? Your "special training" was at the Raul College of Self-Taught Boars whereas MY special training (and I have the certificates to prove it), was at the famed Toongabbie College of Advanced Audio-Sensory Appreciation. So stick that up your hollow tapered boron cantilever tube and play it! :-) |
Dear Raul, There are some problems with your 'level- and learning curve' assumptions. I will use some other kind of comparison to 'enlighten' my point. I consider myself to be a good chess player at an similar 'level' as my audiophile capabilitys. But the difference between me and,say, Kasparov qua 'level' can be measured only in light-years; he is in this regard from some other universe. Do you think that he can teach me chess in such a way that my learning curve can surpass my learning capabilitys and possible reach his level of chess art? I have no problem at all with your 'level' of knowledge and competence but well with the fact that I need to read this again and again and again in this thread.
Regards, |
Dear Halcro/Nandric: +++++ " any useful discussions on the value of audio components " +++++
in any home audio system " team " IMHO de most important link in the chain are each one of us, we are the most critical link in that chain/team.
If it is true that the audio hardware has its inherent value due to its self " capacities and benefits " are we our each one skills level the ones that gives each one of us our different discerning level.
Even that audio is not a " moon rocket science " has its own complexity and is our each one different discerning level the one that permit to understand it and naked it.
Knowing what you like/posts and knowing two-three of your audio system links IMHO it is clear that your discerning level is still limited against mine or Timeltel or Lewm or Dgarretson one and almost at the same level than Nandric or Audiofeil or other persons, nothing wrong with that some persons have/had the opportunity to learn faster than others for whatever reasons.
Each one discerning level is the main " key " to grow-up. You still are a little on that " wow factor " low discerning level that you show with the 5-7s and FR products that you " die for ". As I said nothing wrong with that because you are really happy and think you are " done " with that discerning level you have.
It is clear that you don't have an open attitude and that you are still looking where I'm wrong or where I made mistakes other than for once analize your self or think for once: what if Raul is not wrong? what if 10%-40%-80% of what he stated is true?
Halcro, forget for a moment that these posts on the subject were posted for a different person not for me. Please think more on you than in me, think how to improve your self than how I'm wrong. It is useless for you and useless to go on if you don't want to think inside you, it is your discerning level what you mainly have to " analize ".
In all these I'm not the main subject but you and how improve your skills to improve your discerning levels.
Halcro, I'm not against you: I'm with you. Again we need to accept that we need to follow learning, there is no other way. Of course that all depends on your/each one targets. I have to say that there are many audiophiles that even do not have targets, that only " goes for the road " where the " wind " carry them.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Halcro, in summary: you are good but you can be excellent!!
R. |
Hi Raul, I bought a Supex SM-100MKIII to try. I don't think it's a top performer but it will be fun to try something different. Seller says it's good for rock music and why I bought it. I see you have the MKII version, how do you rate it compared to your favorite models? |
Dear friends: Two additional opportunities on this very good performer:
http://cgi.ebay.com/B-O-Bang-Olufsen-MMC2-MMC-2-cartridge-audiophile-/140579818772?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20bb35cd14#ht_720wt_1265
http://cgi.ebay.com/Bang-Olufsen-MMC2-Cartridge-B-O-Beogram-Turntable-/190557807957?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c5e216555#ht_500wt_1282
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear Nandric: I'm not the subject per se IMHO all of us ( one way or the other ) are the main subject. Please erase any single word I posted where you understand I'm the subject or where you could think I'm praised my self because I'm not: that's not what I want to " share/explain ". Sorry if that's what my words told to you and other persons.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Halcro, do you have the "Seinfeld" reruns on Oz TV? Your "Up is down.....right is wrong" fits perfectly into the Bizarro World. This concept from the DC comics of the '50s and '60s was famously resurrected by Jerry Seinfeld and his writers -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcjSDZNbOs0
Like "furphy", it certainly fits our audio hobby sometimes.
Cheers! |
Dear Raul, Henry's response and others have prompted me to ask this question, finally and with due respect. How, indeed, have you obtained your training in listening to an audio system? The one thing I fear as I grow older (other than all the other usual things to fear) is that I will lose my hearing acuity. In fact, I already have lost some of it. I do believe that paying attention to what you are hearing and how you hear it, and continuing reference to live performances, can help greatly in overcoming nature's way of taking away our sensory prowess over time. But I am nevertheless curious to know what specific action you took to achieve your stated level of perception. Thanks. |
Dear Raul, I spend some time in three different countrys so I am aware of the so called 'cultural differences'. In Europe it is not done to 'show off' about your self. Your reference to your own 'level of knowledge,experience, understanding, insight,etc. about audio gear', with no other proof then your own words is 'not done' in Europe. We call such behaviour 'arrogance'. I have no idea about Mexican customs in this context but I know that your intentions are sinsere. But I am this hobby for more then 40 years and I have some problems to accept to be called 'an average amateur' who needs some 'enlightment' from you in the audio issues. BTW my life is not dependant on my audio gear but the audio gear is just one of my hobbys. So I see this hobby in a perspective with other (more) important things. To my mind 'exaggeration' is never a good thing.
Regards, |
Dear Nandric: I understand you but IMHO it is a mistake to think: " who needs some 'enlightment' from you in the audio issues. ", of course that you don't need to accept something that you don't need it and my attitude never is that you or any one else could think that I think in that way: certainly not.
I think seriously that we are amateurs because this is ( like you said it. ) only a hobby.
Now, if we analyze the market niche name it: high-end we need to divide it in the same way that we divide a higher product markets: 80& of the people are distrubeted around average and 10% at both extremes, all these %%% are in the high-end market. As more specific/specialty is the market as higher the average market segment and lower the top extreme distribution %.
I think that 95% of what we are here in some audio areas belongs to the " average " level where in other audio areas some belongs to the top 5% area.
So in some audio subjects/areas IMHO you and me belongs to the average level where in some other audio subjects I stay in the average one and you in the top 5% and maybe in other audio areas I belong to that top 5% and you to the lower 5%.
Till today I know no one that in all audio subjects belongs always to that top elusive 5%.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear Lewm: I don't have the time to do it in this specific moment but I will do it in the next 24 hours.
I will take in good shape and like you said: " curious to know ".
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear Raul,
May I remind you that Socrates was executed for pestering his fellow citizens, constantly urging them that their current point of view requires testing and that upon testing were always found short of the mark. Regardless of culture, it's fairly clear that few like to be told that they live in a cave amongst shadows, unable to witness the Good, the True and the Beautiful.
I'm not saying I agree with any particular judgment of yours (although, truth be told, your advice has helped me immensely) but am only remarking on an attitude, the desire to educate, and the typical reaction it receives, namely, disdain. |
An Audiophile's Lament
My audio rig is an area of disaster The speakers it's said are made of plaster Pleased for another round of verbal scrimmages How's that I said, for really solid images?
While in this pursuit of sonic perfection In the mirror I'd hoped to see Oh please let me see, let me see there A purists' reflection but no, so unfair! I had thought to improve transparency and air Now I just hope for financial ressurection
The reviewer's promised nirvana I thought to mimic It's simple said he, just procure this latest gimic Financed the new and threw out the old, Now to hear music as it's meant to be Out to the car and in with the CD Following advice exactly as told Put me in the garage
Dang, it's cold!
Peace,
|
Dear Lewm: Better yet, I email you about.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Hi Raul, Since Lew was not the first to ask about your "specific action . . . to achieve your level of perception", others of us might find it to be of interest as well. So why not post it here for all to read?
Regards, |
Dear Pryso: I will paste it to you. As Nandric posted: too much to read it again and again and again in this thread. Enough for " today ".
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Good call Pryso, I suspected I might be channelling someone in my diatribe but Jerry is my alter-ego. One of America's great contributions to comedy. BIZARRO |
In Europe it is not done to 'show off' about your self. Dear Nandric, In most English speaking countries it also is not done. I have learned more about audio from Raul, than from any other individual on earth and I value his contributions on A'Gon immensely. But please Raul.......if you can just eliminate two unnecessary and annoying characteristics from your writings, I think you will find there is more respect and attention given to your messages? 1. Stop claiming that you have special training in audio listening which no-one else has? If it is true, then that should be its own reward but every time you repeat this nonsense, it makes you appear unintelligent and that is far from the truth. 2. Stop judging the sound and quality of others' systems based solely on their equipment. The worst systems I have heard generally have comprised the best and most expensive of components whilst the best systems I have heard, have been surprisingly modest but thoughtfully put together. If you can just adopt these two suggestions, I think you will find that the antagonism that you sometimes generate will evaporate and your influence will grow commensurate to your knowledge and pioneering thought? With best wishes Henry |
The more things change the more they stay the same. Every time I drop into Raul's thread and his holier than thou attitude on anything audio. I am amusingly reminded somehow of the movie "Groundhog day" combined with the "Bubble Boy" epsisode on Seinfeld. All I can say is " Moors " - " Moops " :-)
BTW, the new Lyra Kleos is a very nice counding cartridge. Raul you heard it? waiting for your faint praise with baited breath.
cheers |
Dear Lew (07-22-11), No need to worry: Toscanini, Solti,Von Karajan, Kubelik, Bohm, etc. were at their best above 60. I am sure that non of them was able to hear anything above 12000 Hz at this age but they are some kind of proof that more is involved with our hearing then the testtones.
Regards, |
"Moderate" age related hearing loss, as opposed to severe hearing loss, just doesn't work the way one might expect. It seems that the brain compensates for the loss and high frequency sounds are indeed heard. I first discovered this years ago with elderly stereo customers who seemed to have no problem hearing cymbals, piccolos etc that they thought they might be missing. Since that time, I've seen articles and threads on this subject that confirm these observations. Ironically, often these people become more sensitive to high frequency anomalies.
The onset of hearing loss is characterized by having trouble with hearing speech, especially if there is background noise. Even if this is the case, one can usually listen to music with no problem for many years. Regards, |
Hearing loss -- I first noticed some hearing loss 20 years ago, so as that increased I got fitted with hearing aids (professionally done, not the $395 specials advertised on TV and in newspapers). Unfortunately the hearing industry has not progressed nearly as far with music reproduction as they have with speech. However, with persistence I've been able to have my devices fine-tuned to the point where they do sound natural for acoustic music. I say it that way since what is "natural" for electronic music?
While I must admit my hearing perceptions are not now (aided) what they were more than 20 years ago, I am still able to enjoy music and perceive differences in reproduction. After all, it is still relative. I regularly attend live music presentations so that I maintain a reference (albeit different than the past) when listening to my or any other playback system. In fact, a couple of my audio buddies have expressed their amazement at my perceptions and comments when we are auditioning any new component.
My advice for any hobbyist realizing hearing loss? Don't expect quality from cheap hearing aids, and exercise persistence and patience with the adjustment process. |
Dear Travbrow: If you read the main page of this thread I made it reference to this Supex SM-100MK2 posting that this cartridge came/comes with two different stylus shape for the same price!, I bought it because the Supex name with out no single reference on its performance level.
The real fact on this cartridge is that I heard it years ago and because I heard it briefly ( both stylus shape. ) I have no useful opinion about but now that you " touch it " I will let a play and report on what I find out.
The cartridge looks really modest/humble and I hope that its performance level be at higher step as it looks. When you are ready please share your experiences because I saw this Supex several times on ebay even I think right now exist an auction there and one ad in Agon ( I don't know if this was the one you bought it. ).
Anyway, nice to find out what this Supex has to offer because its highly reputed " heritage ".
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
I received atn24 stylus from William Thakker. Compared it It comes in Pfeifer box with same all metal Screwdriver as my other atn24 in origina AT package. I only compared it visually to the Original: diamon is nude mounted and it's cross Section are the same, cantilevers magnets and Damper are the same, only difference is paint On set screw is white vs black on original. Metal mounting block and screw is of the same Quality as original. Remember, it is only visual Inspection. One more: on both cantilever is marked With red spot at the middle section and there Is a blue paint on the back of diamond shank |
Raul you have started one of the best threads i have had the pleasure to enjoy because vinyl is the front end that delivers all of the music and the more i know/understand the better my system will sound. And i believe and saying this after reading more than half of this thread that your being misunderstood. And if i'm wrong it wont be the first time.
Ive been off on vacation and sitting my grandson for the past couple of weeks. Not much music listening time which is the only reason i deal with audiophile nonsense, ego and bantering. The past week of threads reminds me of the old steam cleaning thread here where Clem promoted him self as fonder and master of steam cleaning lps. That killed the thread and today i still think its the best way to get quite sweet playing vinyl records.
I really dont care about the small talk and try to read in between the lines because so much can be learned possibly in threads like this. But in the end its our own ears that count. And yea mine are reaching 60 and i swear i have not lost high frequencies.
The Internet has changed our hobby like nothing else for learning and improving our systems. And my return to MM cartridges has been very enlightening and something that should not have slipped by since i listened to MMs for a couple of decades. Just my 2 bits and like Raul says Enjoy the Music |
Dear Fleib, The phenomenon you refer to I think of as an analog to "intermodulation distortion" in audio equipment. I definitely have a diminished capacity to hear a single voice speaking to me when there is background cacophony.
Dear Nandric, 12kHz? You are an optimist. I wager that neither of us has hearing flat out to 12kHz. But then, there's Beethoven. |
Siniy123, Thank you for the confirmation. |
Dear Lew, 'But then,there's Beethoven'. Yes but also our own Stltrain who listen to 18 kHz (?)testton while changing the nappy/diaper of his grandchild.
Regards, |
Hi Folks,
as part of my own testing of cartridges... I have been recording the same AR demo record with each cartridge... and when trying several different loadings recording those too.
Today I finally got some of this up on the web...
Cartridges that I have up there already are:
Audio Technica AT440MLa Audio Technica TK9E Grado Gold1 Ortofon 320u Pickering XLZ-7500-S Shure 1000e with N97xE-SAS Sony XL-MC104p
I have more coming... it takes time!
http://sites.google.com/site/zevaudio
Tracks are not complete... but there is a piece from every track on that record - and they are all normalised to the same level and time aligned as well - making it easier to pull them into multitrack software for A/B/C comparison.
Raul - with the TK9E running it at 83k definitely gave it more air - even when balanced with a slightly higher capacitance (to pull down the top end a little) But I am not convinced the result is in fact more authentic to the recording. (both loadings I have used for the TK9E are online)
bye for now
David |
Dear Dlaloum: Exceptional job!!! for say the least: congratulations and now IMHO we are " hungrier " for more!!!.
I really appreciated your skills and dedication on it. What can I add other that how can we help you if we can?
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
hello all of you MM lovers finally got some good listening time in last night and feel a lot better for it. i now have acquired 3 vintage MMs with the last on the way a ortofon m20fl super. its going to be real hard to take the 4000d3 out of service that fine looking gold music maker will rock your socks off. one of my faves doobies takin it to the streets for someone special had all of what a music lover could want in a vinyl record rumbling bass crystal clear highs and that sweet mid range with a sound stage as big and deep as being at a concert.
nandric lucky for me the grandson is past the diaper stage and playing little league now. and for 18k im in on yes my brain adds those memories of hearing high frequencies/crystal clear highs a wonderful thing our brain when used correctly.
enjoy classic rock and roll its best for what ails you. |
Hi Raul
thank you for the encouragement - unfortunately it is only the tip of the iceberg....
If you could provide me with an additional 36hrs in every day that would help !!
But seriously - any feedback is very much appreciated, also peoples listening comments on the tracks...
I have recently been focusing on measurements rather than listening due to home limitations (WAF of the test recording - she refuses to have that record on when she is in the house!), and issue with transparency on the headphones.
Further tries with my headphones appear to indicate that one of my HP's shows the differences up where the others do not - still to be confirmed.
So right now - you guys out there can compare these tracks more effectively than I can here. (yes I have the original 24/96 high resolution versions - but still difficult at present..)
I will be posting up the Frequency response plot that matches each cartridge/loading combination and a square wave shot as well.... just more time required...
When you select the flattest F/R setting for any cartridge, and compare it to other cartridges where the same has been done - the differences become subtle.
bye for now
David |
Hi David, You asked recently about headphones and headamps and I've just found the phones and amp which, for the first time in my experience, actually sounds almost as good as my speakers. The phones are the Audeze LCD-2 which are othodynamic 'open-back' designs and the head-amp is the Schitt Lyr which is a hybrid valve design putting out a full 5 watts! I have never warmed to the sound of headphones with their 'in-head' projection and their lack of air, transparency and soundstage depth however.......whilst the LCD-2 cannot compete with those very aspects produced so palpably by my speakers, their balance, detail and tonality are so close to that of my full-range speakers that it seems to validate both transducers? I'm not sure that its ability to dissect the differences in cartridges and styli is up to that of my speakers (in fact I'm sure it's not)......but it's the closest any headphones have ever come in my experience? Cheers Henry |
Dear friends: For you that still want to test/know about the Nagatron " touch " here agin a maybe last time opportunity at " nice " price:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Nagatron-9600-Cartridge-w-Elliptical-Stylus-Classic-/320733222180?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aad309524#ht_1484wt_1265
let me say that yesterday were 9 available and today only five.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Hi Halcro
thanks for that - I have been keeping an eye on HP developments and the Audeze are up there....but they are more than I currently was planning on spending on HP's
Further testing has shown that my Sennheiser PCX450's are better at this than the Revox 3100....
I am doing some listening tonight using the PCX450's to see where things are at..
bye for now (and thanks)
David |
WoW!, not yesterday. Today the Nagatron auction was posted with 9 samples available, well today sold out. Lucky owners.
regards and enjoy the music, raul. |
Dear Fleib: I agree on your post about hearing loss. I only want to add that is suppose that we hear through our whole body but I can't say in what specific frequency range that happen or if happen in an open/wide frequency range. I think there will be frequency perception limits through our body.
Regards and enjoy the music, raul. |
Dear Raul, If you read the A'gon ads for cartridges for sale lately, you will see that almost all the used MM ones of repute, are sold very quickly at rather high prices. I suspect that this thread of yours, combined with the actual experiences of new listeners, is starting a quiet counter-revolution which, if my suspicions are correct, may have a beneficial effect in the development and sales of a greater range of modern MM cartridges? :^) |
Hi Raul, On the subject of hearing loss - a few years ago I read an interesting excerpt from an article by a research scientist doing studies of sound perception in deaf people. He measured physiological responses to stimuli applied to different parts of the body. I believe the hard skull structure around the ear was very effective in transmitting sound. Interestingly, the cornea of the eye was also good at transmitting. So those who close their eyes to block out visual distractions might also be missing some of the music, LOL. I think most of the perception was percussive (bass, midrange) in nature. Low frequency communication in elephants and whales is well documented. US and Russian submarines can receive low frequency transmissions thousands of miles away. I believe these transmissions are below 50Hz.
It also seems that some music lovers with hearing loss above 10K can also perceive musical information they can't really "hear". Some cymbals are around 12 and 13K and overtones are higher, yet their tonality is perceived. Maybe it depends on the severity of the hearing loss. There are little hairs in our ears that correspond to frequencies as high as 100K. Perhaps this is heard subconsciously and the brain transfers some of the information. Regards, |
My dear friend Raul, How can you be shocked at the rapid sale of all those Nagatrons? You advertised them here. It's perfectly OK that you did that, but the results should not surprise you.
Dear Fleib, "On the subject of hearing loss - a few years ago I read an interesting excerpt from an article by a research scientist doing studies of sound perception in deaf people. He measured physiological responses to stimuli applied to different parts of the body. I believe the hard skull structure around the ear was very effective in transmitting sound."
This is called "bone conduction". It was a well known phenomenon even when I was in medical school back in the late middle 20th century. Certain types of hearing aid rely upon that mechanism. But I am not sure whether it is significant for our ability to detect airborne vibrations. It's worth a little research to find out. |
Dear Fleib, In the 70ies the British speaker manufacturer were no at all interested in HF . The best tweeter then was some Celestion (?) with the range till 12 Khz. But then B&W produced their statement speaker P 2H with 'plasma HF unit' (or the 'flame HF'). This was a two way speaker for wich they designed an special mid/bass driver for the range till 3500 Hz. But this speaker was very expensive so they produced an cheaper version DM 3 (?) by which they used the same mid/bass driver but two HF units instead of the 'plasma'. Ie the same Celestion + a 'super tweeter' wich was meant for above 12 Khz. The 'strange' thing was that this 'super tweeter' could be switched off or on. At B&W they made tests with persons who were not able to hear anything above 12 Khz. However all the participants were able to 'detect' when the super tweeter was on or off. To my knowledge this was the first test of this kind.
Regards, |
Regards, Raul: Searched for two years for an Acutex LPM 420STR. It was worth it.
Peace, |
Timeltel, Your opportunity for a Johnny Carson joke: How good is it? I have a second-hand 412 which I have not yet auditioned. |
Regards, Lew: To corrupt a famous Carson line:" If it weren’t for Philo T. Farnsworth, inventor of television, we’d still be eating frozen audio (radio) dinners." In this case, it's something to look forward to.
There's a NOS LPM 412 that lives on a headshell around here, or at least it was NOS two years ago. Liked what I read about the STR stylus and bought it for about $50 with the intent to try out used vinyl with it until the poor thing was ruined. Took about two hours to realize it was something out of the ordinary, mentioned it here and Raul conceeded the Acutex line just might be alright.
The 420 offers an unsually realistic sense of presence and sustains a leading edge attack that results in an impressive bass compression. Mids are uncolored and the hf's are precise. You can have good faith there will be some intense listening to the 420, 320, the 315, 312 and the 412 in the near future. Although a good elliptical, the 310e is already on the sidelines.
More Carson:
(Ed opens the envelope) Answer: Sis Boom Bah. Karnac: "What sound does a sheep make when it explodes?"
And now that we're on Austrailian fauna a' la Johnny, I understand a certain Aussie frequent contributor needed his knees repaired because of a glitch in the boomerang grenade he was perfecting.
Ba Da BOOM!
Peace, |
Whaat........? Did Downunder have his knees replaced? :^) |
This is the problem with the docile persons; the same carts as the leader is not enough they want everything the same. Halcro, what is the price for the new knees?
A follower, |
Dear Timeltel, You quoted my favorite Carnack exchange, "Siss, boom, bahhhh". Always good for a laugh. |
Regards, Lew: You tell it much better than I.
Henry also has a healthy sense of humor but Nicola, a "docile" person? Ha. Ho ho. Hahahaha.
Nolo contendre.
You've still not listened to the LPM 412? You're in for a pleasant experience.
Peace, |