Dear Downunder: The 23 and the 24. The 24 comes in my cartridge and in the samples that the Netherlands source has for sale. The number comes in the stylus plate.
Btw, like in yours in my cartridge sample the tiny " hole " comes in black.
regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear T_bone: here you can read about the AT-22:
http://www.vinylengine.com/cartridge_database.php?m=Audio%20Technica&sort=4&t=mm&Search=Search&mod=&ovlo=&ovhi=&sty=&stid=&dclo=&dchi=&can=&masslo=&masshi=¬es=&prlo=&prhi=&page=150&rows=273
regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Thanks Siniy123,
Bluz Bros(Adelcom.com)either lied to me and are rip-off artist,or possibly were lied to(and didn't know any better)from that Japanese seller they told me they bought these"TK10MLIII" needles from.
Anyway,this also tells me that I need to put more hours on the ATN25 stylus and tweak the set up because it "should" outperform the ATN23 stylus.They both perform very good though and I would imagine the TK10ML should be right up there with the best rated models.
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Dear Travbrow: The Tk10ML with its own stylus is IMHO better than the At24/25. The " motor " on the Signet is not the same than in the AT24/25 and the stylus shape is way different.
IMHO this original stylus replacement could be better for your Signet than the AT23/25 that you own:
http://www.pickupnaald.nl/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=3322
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Regards, all: On a Fleetwood Mac tour this morning. After 36 hours of repositioning, the (hypothetical) ATN25 stylus's torqued suspension appeared sufficiently recovered to test again. Started with 1970's campy but well mastered "Kiln House". The cartridge/stylus started waking up on the fourth album, "Rumors". On side one of 1987's "Tango in the Night", the proverbial "veil" lifted, factors involved were given speculative consideration.
First, even if the AT22 may be a "slightly junior version", when correct setup & break-in is achieved, this is one of a remarkable family of cartridges. 2.2mV output @ 550Ohm output inductance for all, other than as Raul points out, the AT22, the Signet TK9LCa and the TK10ML with small variances in compliance and output (see VE's cart. database, or easier, just listen to Raul).
Second is the quality of the "Tango" lp. Not precisely to my taste, the style is a Phil Collins/80's club influence. However, once the cartridge had warmed up (ref. #3), the recording was exceedingly dynamic. In the deadwax, there it was, DMM, just so you know.
Third influence would be the well known "break in" period. Idle speculation (this is the part that gets me in trouble) involves "Joule heating" and the consequent influence on the elasticity of cantilever suspensions and any hypothetical "bedding in" of cartridge coils, windings or isolating materials.
Trivia: In effect the motional EMF generated by a magnetic force on a moving wire, or the transformer EMF generated by an electric force due to a changing magnetic field (MC vs. MM) results in the generation of heat and is described as ohmic or resistive heating, this is measured as units of Joules. This part I understand. More trivia: The dichotomy of describing the same principle resulting in two phenomena (motional/transformer EMF) was one of the apparent contradictions resulting in the theory of special relativity: "The observable phenomenon here depends only on the relative motion of the conductor and the magnet, whereas the customary view draws a sharp distinction between the two cases in which either the one or the other of these bodies is in motion". (A. Einstein).
It seems unlikely a description of cartridge break-in needs be this abstract. I'll be pleased to offer Joule heating as a probable factor in this process. No dog in this hunt, just interested in the subject. Anyone care to comment?
Peace, |
OK it’s nearly Xmas and it’s been a while since we’ve had a Cartridge of the Month (COTM). Our resident warlock Timeltel, like Einstein before him, has been gazing out the window at the clock tower in Bern, and theorising about the possible advantages of ‘Hybrids’……cartridge bodies with ‘unintended’ styli (mainly Signet bodies with AT styli). With the acumen of a physicist in the possession of over 100 styli :-) he hypothesises about various combinations based on their construction and physical properties alone.
Without the wherewithal to test his speculations, he stumbles on a combination of Signet TK3ea body with AT155LC stylus and publishes his papers. I manage to assemble this pairing and am able to put to the test this man’s hypothesis :-).
Now the standard AT155LC is among my top three cartridges, just behind the inimitable Technics EPC100Mk3, so it astonished me when the hybrid TK3/155LC handily outshone the standard AT cartridge by projecting a soundstage that bulged into the room and stretched the side walls to breaking point. The ease of this supremacy demanded a ‘shoot-out’ with the Technics champ.
Now I don’t want to be premature or appear OTT, but as good and hard to fault as the EPC100Mk3 is, the TK3/155LC is just more impressive? It’s bolder and more colourful (which may be a fault?) and it’s soundstage is deeper and wider. Its bass is stronger and better defined and its midrange is simply to die for. Can a cartridge which makes every record (and I mean EVER record) sound exciting and beautiful, be wrong? Perhaps, but I’ll be listening to this ‘dog’ over the Xmas period and will be in a better position to ‘re-assess’ in the New Year.
The world of MMs has just become even more exciting but unfortunately, ‘tasting’ the very best is even more esoteric and difficult to achieve. Regardless of the outcome, I’ll be looking to assemble some more of Professor Timeltel’s ‘theories’ to try in the New Year. Happy listening one and all and thank you Professor. |
Regards, Halcro: Henry, am I to understand you find this lashed up mongrel acceptable?
As to ohmic heating and it's hypothetical influence on cartridge break-in, cyro'ing is so well recieved, shall we offer a service? Halcro Pyro Co. has a nice aliterative ring to it. Everyone send your favorite Lp's, we'll guarantee they'll never sound the same---
Peace,
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Halcro, Just be careful that the bulging midrange doesn't push you right out of your listening room and into the hallway. Your obvious problem of course is that you do not yet have an EPC 100C Mk4. If and when you do get one, you will see the light (at the end of the tunnel). |
Regards, Lew: Devil's Advocate! Your comment "bulging midrange" brought a glance down, a xx" belt just isn't the same anymore. Must have to do with the transition to metric equivilent.
Hopefully your rig is good to go now, family well and all in good spirits for the holidays. Have you had opportunity to sample your Acutex? The "holy grail" EPC-100C mk4? It would be good to read a positive report from Dr. Lew(m)! |
Well, I just bought a solid state amplifier to use until I get my tube amps up and running. I decided that the revisions I want to make will take too long to tolerate the further delay in gratification. Should have the amp by Friday or before. Then you will here from me.
I am more and more amazed by the sheer number and variety of phono cartridges made by Audio Technica, both past and present. Today I came across one that is quite interesting, the Precept PC440. It appears to use the dual magnet structure of the 20SS types, has a medium output of 2.7mV and a very wide claimed bandwidth. Shibata stylus. Looks like it could be a winner. Do any of you guys know about it? |
Sorry Lew, I'm writing from the garden where I ended up due to that 'bulging' midrange! I've yet to hear anyone compare the Mk3 and Mk4 EPC100? Even Raul admits to not having both but I'd eat my Stetson if there were a complete change of character? The problem as I see it from my garden here, is that you have yet to hear the mongrel that Herr Professor invented called the Signet TK 3/155LC? Lew and SS gear? I can't see that?! |
Yes, it is an aberration, my purchasing my first solid state amp since 1970. I wanted deliberately to have an amp that I could not screw with, so as to be sure I will henceforth have music. I have even been shopping for used subwoofers. The comment re the 100C Mk3 vs the Mk4, was offered in jest. I have no knowledge of either.
Now about that AT cartridge, is there no one here with a comment? Even Raul and Timel?
By the way, an Aussie in a Stetson? That does not compute. |
Dear Lewm: You can find in VE around 350 different Audio Technica cartridges and there are not all, no Precepts for example.
Audio technica made several models where some of them were for specific worldwide markets, sometimes different models country to country that in reality were the same model of the same cartridge series.
Here in México I never seen a Precept other that the one I owned ( I think the 400-500. ) because the AT México owner was and is my friend and he had it from his own collection. For what I remember that Precept was not very " important " for remember but we have to take in count that I was heard it with a different quality performance audio system.
Maybe in the Precept series there is a cartridge model that could be a nice top " surprise " but I can't tell you and I don't want to buy a sample only to find out, I own what I need and want from AT . Maybe some one else could help you and to any one interestd on that AT cartridges.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Regards, Lew(m): Anything I can forward about Precept is the consequence of hearsay or "intuition". That and three dollars will get you a cup o' joe at Starbux. Both Precept and Signet were AT "Signature" cartridges. In spite of the plethora of AT designations, there are essentially four body configurations. In order to keep pace with marketing evolution, the housing, mount, stylus, cantilever, compliance, inductance or just about anything else that could be varied was, and a "new, gotta have it" model could be presented.
Information concerning the Precept series is scarce, this is where it gets "dicey", anyone with better information please step forward. Turntableneedles. com, which I find generally reliable, lists several AT substitute styli, they are in this group:
http://www.turntableneedles.com/Needle-PCN550ML_p_1686.ht
Also:
http://www.vinylengine.com/audio-technica.shtml-102).
VE data !needs verification!, it shows output voltage, 4.2mV and 4.2 (4.2 what?) output impedance. I believe this data is garbage. A recommended capacitance load would help here. With output voltage at your quoted 2.7mV and a realistic 500-800 ohms output impedance/100-200pF cap. recommended it's a whole different ballgame. The Precept would then (on paper) be comparable to the silky TK7e & SU, even more so when the beryllium cant./nude Shibata are thrown into the mix. Add handwound coils and oxygen free 9 to the 6th place copper wire and it IS the description of the TK7SU.
At 3.2k Ohm, the AT440MLa has a deserved reputation as an unlisenced ear piercer. Consider 4.2 (420? 4.2k?) output impedance, either figure indicates capacitance values that are somewhat unusual. Even 4.2mH INDUCTANCE at 100pF total cap. is difficult to reconcile. Garbage? Broke my pencil and ran out of patience, just buy the dang thing.
Halcro: Stetsons, I hope they come in flavors?
Peace, |
Timeltel, Re "just buy it". No thanks. I am on a strict cartridge diet until I have had a chance to evaluate the ones I already own. I could only be tempted by a Technics 100C at this point.
Re the Shibata stylus/beryllium cantilever. It's a bit confusing, because I saw that info too, and it is tempting. But then LPGear sells an "authentic" AT replacement stylus that is elliptical with an alu cantilever. I have a feeling that what LPGear is selling is "authentic" only in that it is currently being made by AT, but it is not identical to the OEM stylus for that cartridge (the Precept PC440, or something like that), which is apparently out of production. You have to be Sherlock Holmes in order to play this game, unfortunately. |
Have you seen the CuongPham's Systems here in Audiogon?, never seen anything like that before; do a search and enjoy ..... |
Dear Lewm: Well, LPGear has the original top of the line AT Precept that is the same on TN but higher price:
http://www.lpgear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=LG&Product_Code=PCN550ML
That one was the one Precept cartridge I owned but I sold it maybe because did not give me " emotions ". Frankly I can't remember, I owned a lot of MM cartridges and after so many years is not easy to remember its precise quality performance.
As you said we need to be a Sherlock Holmes and have a lot of time to find out the " real " facts.
AT, Empire, Azden and many other not only made his own different cartridges with different market models and even to a specific audio dealers but were builders fror other companies ( OEM. ).
Maybe four years ago I could buy a Precept cartridge but not now till one of you comes here and say: " phenomenal ". I have at least 30 different cartridges that I don't test and that are in the " closset ".
Anyway, always this kind of " discoveries " give us good information.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Raul, Your reference to LP Gear is interesting. Right now on eBay there are several Precept PC220 and PC440 cartridges for sale or on auction, and it was those that drew my attention, because I had never heard of this line of AT cartridges. But then again, this is a subject that had never caught my attention before, because I was completely taken with MC cartridges. |
I recently purchased an Empire 4000D/III Gold and have it on my Morch DP-6 green dot and have found it to be a significant step up from my Ortofon M20FL and Azden YM-P50VL as previously reported by Raul and others.
Which leads me to my question to those of you who are fortunate to have multiple tonearms: what are you finding to go best with the Empire? Not that I am unhappy with my Morch, but sometimes I find, as with the Empire, that I did not know what I was missing until I tried something new. |
Wdi, I started off with my Empire 4000D/III mounted in the low-mass unipivot Grace 940G which I imagine is quite close to your Morch DP-6? Surprisingly I found the 4000D/III a better match to the high-mass Fidelity Research FR-64s as was also the case with my Empire 1000ZE/X (go figure?) This was further demonstrated when I mounted the 4000D/III in the FR-66s tonearm where it produced it's best qualities. Simply wonderful cartridges those two Empires. |
Wdi,
I own the Empire 1000 ZE/X and found this to be a great match with the Audiocraft AC3300 (LB). They really sing together and the AC3300 seems a great match with many MM cartridges. |
Halcro, As you know, those FR tonearms are at the opposite extreme of tonearm mass from what one would expect to work well with the Empire cartridges. (I might never have thought even to try the FR/Empire combination.) Have you taken any measurements of the bass resonant frequency? The formula would probably predict that it would be either too high or too low (don't know the formula offhand so cannot decide which way it would go). If the resonance moved up in Hz, perhaps the combo is giving you a bass boost that works to your advantage. This is the kind of fortuitous effect that Raul mentioned and that defies the conventional wisdom about tonearm/cartridge matching. Has anyone else (besides Raul) had such a paradoxical experience?
Today I get the Parasound amp I ordered for use as back-up. There will be music. |
Wdi,
Another less costly approach mighjt be to try the red dot Precision armwand on your Morch. I found this a better match with several MM's than the green dot (despite the well worn formula!) and it is the ultimate match (from my assessments) for the Technics Mk4.
Good luck |
Dear Dgob: Yesterday I was lucky enough to win an ebay auction for a Micro Seiki LF-7 ( variable flux. Non integrated headshell but standard 1/2" mount. ) that I assume is no other than the Glanz ( moving flux. ) MFG-71E. Every single MS specs coincide/similar that the ones in the Glanz.
I know I can't absolutely sure is the same Glanz cartridge but my " feeling " is that it is and certainly when I test it ( I will report on that. ) we can be sure because if it is what I'm assuming then its quality performance must be first rate as your Glanz or the Astatic MF-100.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Yes Lew, Strange things indeed. I really only tried the Empire in the Fidelity Research arm to see if the mismatch was as poor as with the Phantom II? Theory only gets you so far. Enjoy the music. |
Dear friends: As you know this Technics cartridge is really good. Right now I'm listening to the 205MK4 ( almost the same as the MK3. ) and is an astonish performer.
Good luck with:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Technics-P205CMK3-w-original-STYLUS-BOX-Manual-Lead-/300503347649?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item45f76531c1#ht_2869wt_1139
Regards and enjoy the music, raul. |
Thanks for the tonearm suggestions Halcro and Dgob. The Morch red dot is an interesting idea; saving money is always good. I agree with Lewm that the FRs would never had crossed my mind. I seem to recall somewhere in the last 60 pages some question of whether these old carts still meet the original compliance specs. Maybe that has something to do with the high-mass results? |
Hi Wdi,
I thought of that too but my MM cartridges with original compliance specs of 20 to 30 work great with the low and medium mass armwands of my Technics EPA 500 tonearm.I never tried a high mass arm,because I don't own one.
Maybe a dumb question?If the compliance changed much from original specs wouldn't we need to use a higher than specified tracking force or have tracking problems?All mine track well at recommended tracking force.I don't know how accurate this test is but useing the Hi-Fi News test record I get around 9hz on the resonance test for my AT25 and Empire 4000DIII.The AT25 Compliance is around 20 used on the 501M 7-9 gram armwand and the Empire is 30cu used on a 501H 6-8 gram armwand.
I think Raul and others decided there is more to the matching of tonearm and cartridge than a "correct" or acceptable arm/cart resonance figure.
It seems a fact that very low compliance MC cartridges like the Denon 103 need a high mass arm to perform well and will not work on low mass tonearm though. |
I think the success of these seeming anomalies of tonearm/cartridge matching simply show us that the data (for compliance and tonearm effective mass) we are given to plug into the equation are crap. Garbage in; garbage out. |
Regards, Wdi, Lew: Ya'll putting the cart in front of the force? Extend your considerations to something like the Sonus line, famous for spitting cantilevers all over your vinyl, or perhaps the AKG x8e/s, no tie wire and the thinnest imaginable damping on a metal pivot block. Run an ADC XLM original on a 22 gm. TA and don't ask why the cartridge is bottoming out on a warped lp, just go for it.
On the other hand, the original promotional materials for the Infinity Black Widow, 3 or 4 gm. eff. mass depending on version, illustrated a Denon 103, probably "R" hung on the business end, one almost expected to see the tube sag when the lift was actuated. A field trial is best evidence before going to press.
It is however a reasonable act to investigate known or theoretical compatibility before making a five figure investment in a cart and arm.
Synergy is an entirely different subject.
Peace, |
I think the success of these seeming anomalies of tonearm/cartridge matching simply show us that the data (for compliance and tonearm effective mass) we are given to plug into the equation are crap. Garbage in; garbage out. Or we just like that particular sound and how it gels in our system, rightly or wrongly |
Back in 1980 the german high-end magazine HIFI-exklusiv (long defunct now) published an astonishing test result of the then current production SHURE V15MK3 mounted in a FR-64s tonearm. In this particular tonearm - obviously a "mechanic dynamic" mismatch the SHURE showed the highest trackability ( 100 µm !!) with the lowest VTF (0.85 grams !!) among all tonearms ever tested. The engineers at the test lab (the old HIFI-exclusive performed extensive laboratory tests with long test reports - sound was second rate in their tests) direct ascribed this phenomenon to the superb low bearing friction and: - superior energy transfer in the FR-64s. Furthermore there was little to no problem - although the resonance frequency was obviously in the "danger area". The reason ? The FR-64s showed no torsion-resonances whatsoever. Finally - the often claimed "high mass" of the FR-64s is largely due to the insane original headshell. Changing to a Orsonic AV-1 or AV-101 puts the FR-64s immediately from ultra-high in the medium-to-high class. Technical-wise they gave the FR-64s a clean test sheet with outstanding guidability and superb rigidity. This just to add some odd info from days long gone by. Cheers, D. |
Travbrow, Good point on the tracking and your assertion that the current compliance is likely close to the original specs or these carts would not track at the specified VTF; the evidence seems to agree. |
Is there still time before Xmas for another COTM? Never for sale outside of Japan and not even heard by Raul, the Fidelity Research FR-6SE is a high output low-compliance MM made to match perfectly with FR-64s/66s tonearms. Sporting a compliance the same as the Dynavector XV1s, the FR-6SE mounted in the FR-66s on the Raven AC-3 produced a full-bodied relaxed mellifluous soundstage with the deepest sonorous :-) bass yet heard in my listening room. Whilst not as transparently uncoloured as the EPC 100Mk3 or the Signet TK3ea/155LC, it definitely ranks in my top 5 cartridges at this point in time.
With the ability of the FR-64s/66s tonearms to extract the very best from the LOMC cartridges like the Universe and the XV1s, they are also able to highlight the very distortions and weaknesses of moving coil cartridges in general. I have never been able to listen to CDs played over a high-end system for more than about 1/2 an hour at a time no matter how good the CD player is and I am finding this same kind of inner-body stress occurring now when I listen to a moving coil cartridge? I realize that the 'analogue' distortions my body is feeling with the LOMCs must be different to those in the digital domain, yet there appears to be a similarity which suspends the belief that I'm listening to 'real' music or 'live' musicians? This feeling is emphasized when I switch to MMs and my body relaxes into the 'reality' of the music that pours forth. |
Dear Halcro, your analogy have never been able to listen to CDs played over a high-end system for more than about 1/2 an hour at a time no matter how good the CD player is and I am finding this same kind of inner-body stress occurring now when I listen to a moving coil cartridge? I realize that the 'analogue' distortions my body is feeling with the LOMCs must be different to those in the digital domain, yet there appears to be a similarity which suspends the belief that I'm listening to 'real' music or 'live' musicians? This feeling is emphasized when I switch to MMs and my body relaxes into the 'reality' of the music that pours forth. is very interesting and intruding. There might be a lot of truth in there. As I know at least 3 different LOMC which do NOT have that effect to me, I wonder how a Takeda Miyabi, IKeda 9, FR-7 or FR-7f will ( one day ...) fare in your experience with the FR-64s/66s. Cheers, D. |
If you like the FR-6, you may want to try the FR-5E (elliptical stylus). To my ears at least, it's a more convincing performer than the FR-6. |
Dear Dertonarm, It's encouraging that you seem to be in some agreement about the 'distortions' I'm hearing in most Moving Coils. I wonder what it is that makes those examples you quote, the exception to the others? In any case I'm looking forward to hearing and FR-7 or FR-7f in my system eventually? How does the Ikeda 9 compare to the FR-7f in your opinion? Cheers Henry |
Thanks Jcarr, I'll try to find an FR-5E now that you've recommended it. I must say finding you on this thread is a little like meeting Beelzebub at the pearly gates??! As the designer of some of the leading Moving Coil cartridges manufactured for over 20 years, it would be interesting to hear your 'take' on this thread and why you believe some of us are becoming more enamoured with vintage MMs and disillusioned with MCs in general and LOMCs in particular? Cheers |
Halcro, you may find Jcarr stays away from that line. There isn't much near-term upside for Beelzebub to get into a discussion on deism with the newly faithful... Or is it a case of trying to pull back the Proud, Envious, Wrathful (I am probably in the higher altitudes -Gluttonyville) from across waters where they perch on Mt Purgatory... Heck, you're from the southern hemisphere... |
Hey T_bone, Down here they don't teach us about puttin foot-in-mouth :-) But I do find it refreshing to see a committed cartridge designer at least prepared to look at 'The Dark Side' and even converse with the 'inmates'?
On another note Travis, with your vast experience of Japan and it's audio, you must have come across the FR-5 & FR-6 cartridges? What is your opinion of them?
Cheers Henry |
'Vast' is inaccurate. I have one of each but don't have enough listening time on either to say that they rock my world. I'll get to them eventually. |
Halcro:
Why should it be strange for me to try to contribute something useful to this thread? I have design experience with both fixed-coil and moving-coil cartridges, and I have used and own fixed-coil cartridges like the EPC205, EPC100MkIV, AT24, Glanz G-7, FR-5 etc. for many, many years. Probably for longer than nearly anyone else on this thread.
Your other question about the subjective preferences of readers of this thread is a trickier one, in no small part because when it comes to subjective preference there is no right or wrong.
I do feel that modern high-end sound per se has a somewhat different sensibility from vintage sound, and this is true for MCs as well as for MMs, headamps, phono stages, preamp and power amplifiers et al. Examples of either camp can be quite enjoyable, while periodical changes can be refreshing (and on occasion, insightful), and component interactions can all too easily outweigh the strengths or weaknesses of individual components.
But as audiophiles, at the end of the day you are free to enjoy anything that you want to.
diplomatically yours (grin), jonathan |
Dear Jonathan, I said "refreshing".....not 'strange' :-) And thank you for your contribution. Well said. Regards Henry |
Dear friends: Very interesting all these last 10-12 post and in especial the JCarr contributions.
I think I'm just finishing with the FR thread discussion that right now is taking my main time but as soon is done I come back here to comment on those different topics. Yes, I'm learning through that FR tonearm thread that start Downunder.
regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Jcarr: "I do feel that modern high-end sound per se has a somewhat different sensibility from vintage sound, and this is true for MCs as well as for MMs, headamps, phono stages, preamp and power amplifiers et al."
No truer words have ever been written on this forum. |
I just received, and installed a NOS Empire 4000D III Gold. I am VERY impressed. I have been somewhat lukewarm about the whole issue of the claimed superiority of MM's relative to MC's; and still, overall, in the MC camp. I own ATML170, Azden PVL 50, Andante, and while I recognize what they do well (very well, particularly in the case of the AT and Azden), I have still been unconvinced. The Empire could change all that.
I am interested in hearing from you guys about your findings re break-in, VTA, VTF, viscous damping, etc., in order to optimize it's performance. Thanks. |
Dear Halcro, yes - I think I know exactly what you mean and do share that "experience" with most LOMCs as well as with all digital equipment so far. I however believe that it is a more complex phenomenon not just of the LOMC and tonearm, but of the following phonostage too. Syntax pointed my attention to an old article on Stan Klyne's website and I strongly recommend giving it a read. Maybe the "ease", "relaxed" and "organic" experience of the better MMs is in part due to the absence of an ugly by-product of the interaction between the input-stage of most phono-stages and the LOMC. I will get into this a bit more over christmas. However I do know a few LOMC (very LO MCs ...) which do NOT exhibit that problem at all. At least not with Klyne ss phono-stage or good tube-based phono-stages. But maybe the MM takes some vital advantages here in the comparison with the LOMC due to a hidden by-product of LOMCs interaction with the phono-stage? Did you ever notice this with high- or medium output moving coils ? |
Dertonarm, Syntax, I checked the Klyne website but could not find any articles or papers. Could one of you post a link?
Thanx |
Frogman, I found an obvious improvement with the empire by increasing vta and lightening up on tracking force. I increased VTA by several millimeters which made the tonearm far from parallel to the record surface and I believe I'm a touch under 1gr in tracking force. |
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