Dear Raul, As you are now "stuck" on the Alchemist could you try to find the lowest possible VTF where it still performs with ease ? Due to perfect trackability (30 cm/s & 100 um) and lowest distortion values measured it may very well track at 1.5 g. Are you talking about SHINON Red ? It was Peter Forsell´s reference cartridge in his air bearing tonearm & turntable in the early 1990´s. Also Jarmo Ohvo, the maker of my preamp used to have this Micro Ridge/boron cart in his system at the time. And I was lucky the hear it and it was finest sounding MC cart I heard in those days. Yes there are 2 versions: 0.3 mV and 1,0 mV. One "improved" version with ruby cantilever with low hours was at AudiogoN just recently for a very reasonable price. |
Dear Harold-not-the-barrel: Sure I can try with the lowest VTF recomend that's 1.5 grs. I usually use a VTF in the near of the middle specs or a little higher with MC cartridges, especially with " new " cartridges to facilitate its breack-in.
I did not fine tunned the Talisman yet but your desire will " force " me to do it. I let you know about.
In the other side, yes it's the SHINON Red: boron cantilever with MR stylus. Really good performer by any standards and as I said: a vintage LOMC GEM!.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
s: Talking on the Decca you posted:
+++++ " attention must be paid to set-up and grounding methods... " ++++++
I would like that you can share a wider explanation about, especially on the " grounding methods ".
I think is time to experience the Decca cartridge and I'm willing to buy one.
Btw, there are several Decca models: which ones are what I have to look for?
Thank you in advance.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Marakanetz: I can't say it for sure, IMHO what I can say is that is an interesting thread with great contributors in several audio areas/subjects.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Griffithds: I don't know what happened. That is for you:
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1200430667&openflup&10856&4#10856
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Raul et al - back in the late 80's I imported and sold the Talisman Alchemist, Virtuoso and Shinnon Red's. They are all quite good. I ran the Alchemist with a Syrinx arm for a couple of years and it sounded sharp, incisive and musical. The Virtuoso - there were 2 versions - a Boron and the Dti. These were both a cut above the Alchemist. They sound quick and lively with out usual gunge of high output MC's. The Sumiko Bluepoint are quite disappointing to my ears compared with these older designs. Actaully they are unlistenable - I put a hammer through my Bluepoint as I was not prepared to even give it away. |
Alas, Dover you have not heard a Frankened BPS, nor a Blackbird. |
Dear Dover: I really like the Alchemist and as I posted its performance ( for me ) made I think to think on it as a thrid alternative: HOMC vintage cartridges. D garretson will share his today experiences with the DTi that's the top of the line.
Regarding the Shinnon Red Boron if you have opportunity it's worth to hear it again with your today improved audio system, really nice LOMC performer.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Tubed1: IMHO Dover has good memory because I own the original BP and BPS and heard the Blackbird ( that IMHO is a little better than the BP. ) and the Alchemist is way different and really better performer.
What do you mean with Frankened on that Sumiko HOMC? which kind of modification? because I'm talking of stock cartridge samples.
Btw, do you own or heard the Alchemist IIIS lately?
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Yes, Raul this certainly does smack of Bolshevism, viva the road to revolution! |
I thought I would raise my head here to say I truly dislike nearly every HOMC cartridge I have ever heard. In fact, the only "good" one was my van den Hul Colibri, which I bought from Mike Lavigne. It had been specially made for Mike to have about 1mV output, if you want to classify that as HO. Over the years before that, I owned BPS (Yuk! I totally agree with Dover, only I have not hit mine with a hammer yet.), the later version of BPS (Yuk, again), Benz Glider I and II (Sand in the public eye, if ever there was such a thing.), Transfiguration Esprit (The most decent sounding one in this category with which I am familiar, but does not hold a candle to any of the best MMs and MIs we have been playing with. Nor does it hold a candle to the great Transfiguration LOMCs.) |
Raul, interesting that you mentioned the Shinon Red Boron. I bought one from a friend back when they were a current product. The suspension collapsed within 50 hours of use so I returned it to the North American importer in Canada (Dover, could that have been you?). They graciously sent me a new replacement which I still have. It is high among my favorites of all I've owned.
Since I've owned the Shinon (the replacement) more than 20 years, it has been in and out of my system a few times and I really have little idea of the hours of use. The last time I listened to it it still had that wonderful tonal accuracy and connectivity with the music. I've had much younger ears listen and none of them could hear any distortion, break-up, or other signs of wear. So it would appear the Shinon is not only musically rewarding but fairly durable as well. Assuming of course that it is set up carefully and kept clean.
Seems like I need to reinstall it again soon for another listen. |
Dear Lewm: I think that VdH we can put on the MOMC side. Normally HOMC start at 2.0 mv
I will test other HOMC I bought but that Talisman Alchemist IIIS is worth to hear it, maybe your " feelings " about could change when you experience this cartridge.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Stonedagaagain: Griffithds posted that the Decca needs very careful on its set up regarding the grounding connection. Do you know hwat could that means? and a second question: which Decca models I have to look for?: I would like to have the Decca first hand experience.
Thank's.
regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear pryso: Agree, I think is time you give a turnaround that Shinnon that as you posted is a fine gem.
Please do it and if can share with us your experiences with.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Had a Virtuoso DTI back in the day and have very good memories of it. Really enjoyed it until my niece bumped the tt while it was playing & killed the suspension. The high output allowed me to feed straight into the preamp and omit the Klyne head amp I was using at the time. Feeding the preamp directly the DTI blew away the Kiseki Purple Heart/Klyne combo that preceded it. Have often wondered what I would think if I heard one again in the context of my current system and recently pulled the trigger on another one ... I will post my findings when it gets here and I have time to listen to it. Raul, I recall in the Cordesman cartrige survey over 2 issues of Sterophile the DTI came out in the top group along with Monster Alpha 1000, Koetsu Rosewood signature and one other cartridge I can't remember(Van Den Hul maybe). I agree with Lewm and others here that the BPS was a terrible cartridge. The one I had came with a TT that I bought ... I persevered with it WAY too long. Bad enough to make the digital of the time sound appealing. I also have a Sumiko SHO which looks like the early round bodied Transfiguration but was supposed to have a generator based on the Virtuoso but with a less exotic cantlever and stylus. I really like it. |
Both the Talisman Alchemist and the Virtuoso Dti were often reviewed and highly regarded back in their day. The problem is that I don't trust those who regarded them highly. As always, I have an open mind, but I also have to ask why bother, since we have identified so many other wonderful cartridges already, and I regard it as unlikely that either of these two is transcendent.
Agree about my "HO" Colibri. It's HO only in comparison to very LOMCs. |
I have an open mind, but I also have to ask why bother, since we have identified so many other wonderful cartridges already, and I regard it as unlikely that either of these two is transcendent. An oxymoron if ever I saw. I too have an open mind, I live on the other side of the flat earth.. As regards the lack of trust on some reviewers, yes I could agree in some instances, you may be right, but my shrink told me to bury them at wounded knee and since then my system sounds much much better.. I think. |
Extremely rare SHURE Ultra 500 with 2 NOS stylii on eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EXTREMELY-RARE-Shure-ultra-500-cartridge-/271244477916?pt=US_Record_Player_Turntable_Parts&hash=item3f276e45dc
Best of Luck ! |
Dear Lespie: I have those magazines and when I bought my Alchemist IIIS I found out that very old Stereophile reviews.
No doubt T.Cordesman knew what he was listening.
Lespier, now we are waiting for your today DTi experiences. I have great expectations on the quality performance level you should have.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Lewm: +++++ " The problem is that I don't trust those who regarded them highly. " +++++
I wonder other than you in whom you trust because T.Cordesman was ( IMHO ) a real trusty reviewer that on those vintage times he and other reviewers were no0t " touched " yet by the AHEE " corruption ".
This gentleman as Gordon Holt or B.King or HP were the persons that started and promoted the real high-end. With out them and with out trusted in them you and me never could imagine the today plearure to enjoy MUSIC at so high level in our homes. Those guys used TT/tonearms/cartridges that today you are proudly to own in as the Denon DP-80 or Technics SP10s and used with even better tonearms you own today and with even better cartridges you own today.
So, your post has no real sense to me. In the other side trhough my experiences with vintage cartridges ( any ): MM/MI/LOMC/HOMC almost all of them showed and shows first rate quality performance by any standards.
Why speak on HOMC vintage cartridges?: first because we can run directly in the MM stage, second because we can find out at very nice price and third because performs a lot better that many today top cartridges for a fraction of $$$$$.
++++++ " I regard it as unlikely that either of these two is transcendent. " ++++++
with all respect and knowing who you are that statement has no sense because you have not today first hand experiences with those cartridges. Make sense to you your statement?
You are dimishing " something " unknow for you.
Anyway, the subject is that I share my experiences in this thread when I found out " something " that's worth to test it.
Certainly it's your privilege to think whatever you want.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Lewm: +++++ " I don't trust those who regarded them highly " +++++
I wonder other than you in who you trust. How is that you growed up on the high end? where and trhough which " road " do you learned?, because almost all of us did it through those " vintage " magazines/reviewers as Audio, ST, TAS and the like.
A. Cordesman like J.G.Holt or B.King were trusty reviewers on those " golden " times. In the other side those Sumikos are not one of the " bunch " cartridges but really a good design by any standards, at least is MHO.
+++++ " I regard it as unlikely that either of these two is transcendent... " +++
you can't say it till you experience it.
Anyway, I will follow posting audio information that IMHO is worth to share it with all of you. I'm not trying to convince you even that you said: " I have an open mind ".
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
SHINON Red LOMC cartridges were Canadian-Japanese cooperation. Micro Ridge stylus on boron cantilever, 0.3 mV and 17 cu compliance, also medium output 1.0 mV model. SHINON Blue HOMC Micro Ridge on sapphire cantilever, 2.5 mV and 7 cu with half the price of Red. Harry Pearson, The Absolute Sound: "Without having listened this (Red) one cannot say knowing the full glory of analog replay", on an advertisement in early 1990´s. Anyone experienced a Blue ? |
Raul, Your remarks to Lewm are way off base. In the early days of Stereophile it was common practice for the manufacturer to make a gift of the review sample to an enthusiastic reviewer. How's that for an incentive? I'm not saying Cordesman was guilty of that, but where's the credibility?
I remember when HP and followers were loading all their LOMCs at 47K. Hundreds of audiofools followed suit. That's almost as whacked out as someone loading all HO carts at 100K. Is that how you load the Alchemist 3 ?
You seem to think the number of carts you've tried gives you credibility, but it just means that you've tried many carts. Regards, fleib |
Dear Fleib: HP is a man that I respect a lot especially because he was one of the persons that started/supported the " high-end " unfortunatelly as you point out was not reallyy in deep to analog even he almost never did the analog rig set up in his system ( he had people that did that ). Yes, he was " wrong " loading all the LOMC at 47k ohms because that was what he liked in front of the phono stage in turn and maybe because he had a " defect " in its ears do that he liked to listen at very high SPLs and this was mentioned several times but his reviewer. HP was a high-end promoter but with his own philosophy/different, other example is that he runnede the big Alon speakers where its two bass reflex towers were playing through tube amps and he said he was in heaven!!!
In the other side he was one of the first reviewer that " accept " long long time audio products in loan as the Infinity RS ( the big ones ) that he had for years as a manufacturer loan: this is part of the AHEE corruption.
Now, speaking of T.Cordesman: in those old years he was working for Audio and I can't find out a TC review that I can think was " inside that corruption ", this reviewer was invited to work by STP but at the same tome he still worked for Audio magazyne.
The point of Lewm is that he already make a statement on a product where he has no single first hand experience. In the other side I'm not trying to convince any one about that cartridge or any other cartridge: the best test is when you try that cartridge.
My work here is only share my first hand experiences and I think that is up to you if after testing what I shared you like it or not and when you already had that experience you are welcome ( always ) to share your findings that could meet mines or can be totally in disagreegment.
I think that's is all about not if I'm wrong that always can be. My credibility?: who cares!!!!!!, certainly not me: as I said I only share my experiences and that's all.
Btw, do you already had a first hand experience with the Talisman Alchemist IIIS first hand experiences loaded at 47K or 100K? yes? then I appreciate that you can share what did you find out. Thank's in advance.
Regards and enjoy then music, R. |
BlasFleibmy, says my audiophile cat Pi'sant! She says cartridges, like mullet or sparrows, when well prepared are separate but neither is necessary inferior. It's a matter of time, taste and setting. This differs from scientific classification, which is not necessarily a high-class concern. When scientific categorization occurs we come to know it as science. Art is another matter.
Either science or art require a profundity of views for study and evaluation. There are artists and scientists of excellence, one more concerned with theory, the other with execution. Pi'sant says a cat of her acquaintance, one excommunicated to the woods, barn and bottomland, knows only the cacophony of nature's presentations and cannot know the pleasurable purity of chilled artesian water served in sterling. Such a cat, she says, might as well exist on a stunted island of misconception, never knowing the glory of the heavens viewed from another hemisphere.
Although Pi'sant finds kitty krunchies adequate, the opening of a can will produce summersaults of anticipation. It seems her hearing is so finely attuned she can differentiate between beef & liver or seafood banquet. Being of an open mind is important, she often reminds me. She finds alternate pleasure in the crunch of a grasshopper, the rich liquidity of a frogs' head or tidbits carved from a ribeye steak served rare.
She also observes that in spite of the fondness of a certain others for calamari, the juxtaposition of taste and texture are a personal matter, and in a cultured society a matter for critique rather than personal criticism, no matter how eccentric. As Raul wrote, experience is to be shared, to assert one's self as an uncredentialed expert is cause for skepticism.
Beauty is, after all, in the eye of the beer holder.
Fleib my friend, although Pi'sant must on occasion deal with an assertive cat, one who seeks the status of an alpha male, she maintains that preference is a matter relative to experience and insists she is entitled to her own opinion and doing what confident cats do so well, she remains independent and aloof to the proclamations of the other, apprehension being relative to experience and environment.
Other than Raul, another denizen of the southern hemisphere has sent a Garrott modified AR-77/SAS for audition. Consequent to renovations underway to my 170 yr. old "manor", my as nearly ancient rig is dismantled, the opportunity to enjoy the cart has not yet presented. This fine fellow mentions I can return it if not to my taste, how likely will this be?
Peace, |
Dear Raul, I've delayed mounting my Virtuoso Dti due to back order of TX2575 resistors to change loading from the 100K currently in my MM phono stage. Based on your experience with Alchemist, do you think it's worth giving 100K a try? |
Dear Timeltel: I think I will hire you as my " poet/writer " at home. Very good post.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Dgarretson: I have no doubt it works, please give a try: remember that HOMC has very low inductance/low impedance in comparison with MM ones but even with high inductance at least for my ears 100K still works great.
As I said give atry.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Timeltel, BlasFleibmy? Kind of cleaver, but inappropriate don't you think? This stuff might seem like religion to you, but my cat BC, says it's mostly smoke and eyewash. Can't say I completely agree, but she's entitled to her opinion. She doesn't drink out of a silver chalice, but is a good mouser and sometimes dines on a young and tender one. To each his own.
So, what's this have to do with the credibility of Stereophile or the FACT that they were sometimes made gifts of review samples? Cordesman wrote for Stereophile in the late '80s, but I don't think he was involved in this scandalous practice. I believe he started around the time, or just after they printed, that it would no longer be tolerated.
Believe me, I have no intentions or aspirations to be the alpha male around here. Apparently you support Raul in his response to Lewm, even though that response was misstated and illogical. If my post was blasphemous to you, then you're a what, Stereo Scientologist? Regards, |
Dear Dgarretson: Yes, give it a try. The Alchemist as the DTi are low impedance/inductance so 100k is just fine. Of course that 47k is what the orthodox rules said it but this is what said it for the MM too and in practice 100k normally works great.
There is almost nothing " writed " in audio, we have to test it especially with vintage cartridges because the today audio systems are way different than 30-40 years ago.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Fleib: " illogical " ?.
Could you explain where or why is illogical. Where makes no sense to you and which are the foundations for what you posted?
Thak's.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Fleib, I forgot. This was part of my answer to you with no answewr yet:
+++++ " Btw, do you already had a first hand experience with the Talisman Alchemist IIIS first hand experiences loaded at 47K or 100K? yes? then I appreciate that you can share what did you find out. Thank's in advance. " +++++
of course that's your privilege give an answer or not like Lewm decided not to do it.
R. |
Regards, Fleib.
Wrong.
Suggest you re-read the post?
Peace, |
Dear Raul et al,
I quit posting on this forum because of the dreadful and inexcusable treatment from the moderators.
However, I just finished listening to 'Highway 61 Revisited'. First with the Acutex 320 (long nose) and then with my "Raul Special", a Goldring 800 with an Astatic Shibata gray stylus.
While not really an audiophile disc, it is probably the album I have played the most times in my life. On vinyl, CD, SACD, and now vinyl again.
The Acutex was very detailed and up front but unnatural, too strident and bright with the harmonicas. The "Raul Special" was a joy; the total absence of any HI-FI sound, the pace and naturalness of the presentation were outstanding. Harmonicas were rendered sharp and bright but just below the threshold of pain.
I probably won't post again but was feeling a little nostalgic. Hope this makes its way through, many have not.
Best,
John |
Timeltel, Puissant or pissant, it really doesn't matter, although I think the latter is more appropriate if it would only relate back to OP. I think I get the point of your beautifully written prose, it's just that I don't accept your premise or the context as gadfly, and powers that be. So I respond in a way appropriate to both my view of the world, and the combative history between me, and the guru.
You speak of science and art as if they were two separate but related things. Sorry my friend, with sound reproduction it doesn't work that way. The art aspect is completely dependent on the science. If you think results go beyond electromechanical aspects, you're mistaken. Regards,
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Raul, Yes, I remember the Alchemist 3S, perhaps the best HOMC of its day. Beside the pole piece, if I remember correctly, it had a sapphire tube cantilever. Here's another cartridge whose sound would be degraded by any cantilever replacement available today. I honestly don't know how it would stand up to subsequent HOMC offerings from VdH and Benz. There was a HO Grasshopper, MC2, and Benz Ebony H, among others.
I would strongly advise anyone not to buy one in need of a cantilever. Just like your Genesis with a cantilever replacement, it won't be the same. Regards, |
Regards, Fleib: Although undeniably teleological, some listeners are more interested in relating to music in terms of immediacy, not what went before.
Informed now of my error, Bach, Mark Knofler or even the frivolous Mozart are to be henceforth considered scientists.
And as you have clearly perceived, I continue to fumble through the audio environment and have not yet managed to subrogate variety and diversity in favor of homogeneity and exclusivism. If this renders one a "gadfly", mea culpa.
Peace, |
Regards Timeltel, I am inclined to quote you, our esteemed Professor and say, "Wrong", but that would only lead to further misunderstanding. Isn't it strange how the combination of a few words can have different meanings for individual readers, and stranger still when the subject of an assertion is assumed to be other than what it is? Errors of understanding get compounded.
The fault is probably mine for assuming the sentence, "The art aspect is completely dependent on the science." is clearly about the art aspect of sound reproduction and not the art it imitates.
The "gadfly" refers to "an uncredentialed expert" or an assertive cat with alpha male intentions. I assumed you were referring to me. You addressed me directly at the beginning of that cat paragraph. I have no problem with the role of gadfly, just in the way you characterize it. Cheers, |
Hi Folks,
Art/Science? It's a problem that interests me a little: especially within the context of much of the discourse on this thread. Anyway, I'd just like to make a contribution that is aimed at the 'music lovers' amongst us (fully aware that this contribution might therefore not be suitable for all - say someone who would openly declare a dislike for an instrument such the cello, despite the role that this particular instrument has had in some of the greatest compositions of the past few centuries. Yes, I am an ambling cellist myself!!!).
Anyway, if you want to test the quality of your analogue set up there are various recordings that can be useful. Of course, there are the specialist records that can help in setting up and testing the scientific accuracy of your rig ('Hi-Fi News Analogue Test LP' and 'The Ultimate Analogue Test LP' obviously being two of the best for this task).
Progressing, when if comes to assessing and lending some objectivity to the 'realism' of the performances and sounds that emanate from our analogue setup, the best aid might be the second side of 'How to Give Yourself a Stereo Check-Out' (Decca, SKL-4861). I would strongly recommend the use of this record as its assistance on set up (including the invaluable issues around anti-skate settings) and its use of easily comparable sounds with every day objects can lend you a degree of certainty that you cannot obtain from trusting the hearing of other commentators!
Once you know that the system passes these tests there are a couple more albums that can assist in checking the extent of performance across the extremes and complexities. A fun collection of challenging tracks are gathered on 'Practical Hi-Fi' (Philips, 6840 010). Then there is the 'Borodin String Quartet No2 in D Minor' (Peerless EXP 50). I suggest this as it was recorded without microphones and uses vibration sensors for (what it declares) "a singular example of what can be achieved through properly coordinated scientific-artistic collaboration." Those without a penchant for dismissing a particular string instrument will get a good impression of the accuracy of their rig in reproducing both violins, the viola and (apologies) cello on this recording.
I, as with all/most of us, also have my stock recordings from which I gain certainty about analogue performance. Yet, I believe the above recordings could provide a collective standard by which to both assess and discuss the performance of our various components in the analogue chain. At least that is what I hope.
As always... |
Apologies,
I should just add that I really do now (more-than-ever) think that it's valuable to be able to test/confirm your own impressions of your system. This might be in part because my new plinth-embedded Technics SP10 MkII and modified preamplifier have rewarded me more than I could have anticipated. I will make updates on my Essential System page when I have an opportunity.
As always... |
Raul, I already gave you my take on the Alchemist III/S. 08-03-13 addressed to you. The only time 100K was acceptable to me was in a 4-ch input. Since you started this thread I tried it again in a couple of phono stages. It was unlistenable. I don't have your phonolinepreamp and I find it strange.
Apparently you load capacitance to tune response. This is even more bizarre. Capacitance combines with the inductance of the cart and lowers the high frequency resonance. Adding capacitance is sometimes used on a distant sounding cart to bring up the mid-treble region. The original version of the M20FL Super came with 300pF caps to do just that. For me, loading the cart at 55K achieved the same end without rolling off the extreme high end. Capacitance load is preamp + cables + internal tonearm wire.
The only preamps I'm aware of that use extraordinary loads are tube units like Herron. Maybe your phono is bandwidth limited?
Another thing I do is use low mass arms with high compliance carts. Maybe you can get away with a heavy arm, and maybe you're low frequency resonance is causing intermodulation distortion all the way to the lower midrange. You can get an oscilloscope now as a plug in for your PC. Get a couple of old test records and see for yourself. You won't have a distortion analyzer but square waves and freq sweep will do the trick. |
Have signet tk7cla mounted on micro 505 and its just wonderful. Andy did a refresh and all stock otherwise. I understand professor all that you have said about this wonderful cartridge. tracking at 1g slight rise on the tail and flat out enjoying some rock and roll. |
Dear Fleib: Yes, I read it.
Well, I'm not the only person running that 100k load impedance and if I remember other than you no one ever posted that was " UNLISTENABLE ".
No, my phonolinepreamp is not bandwindth limited: open loop over 3 Mhs and we limited to 1 Mh.
I don't use any more high mass tonearms with high compliance cartridges.
Thank's for your other suggestion.
Regards adn enjoy the music, R. |
Regards, Stltrains: Audio magazine reviewed the TK7lca in 1984, tested to within 1db, 20 to 20k and balance 0.5db 20 to 20k. Other observations were excellent separation, extremely smooth response curve and uncolored response. Closing comments: "We considered it exceptional on every record we subjected it to and a challenge for any cartridge on the market -fixed-coil or moving-coil- at any price.
Take this snip from the review as you wish, Audio mag. had a good reputation.
I find it non-fatiguing and involving, a favorite.
Glad you are enjoying yours, did you happen to note the serial # ?
Peace, |
Congratulations Stltrains, the Signet Tk7lca is one of my favorites also. The AT 155lc stylus is very close in performance to the Tk7lca, but if you want to make it a bolder presentation, different not better, the At ML160 is real nice.
Enjoy! |
Dear Jbthree: With the Goldring happened something like with the B&O first rate MMC cartridges: almost none were " interested " and unfortunatelly they are loosing a great audio experience.
Other that its top quality performance the Goldring it's not only easy available but perhaps the less unexpensive gem today.
As you I recomend it high.
Btw, don't give up we appreciated your contributions here.
regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Fleib and friends: I found out this interesting cartridge comparison made it by M.Colloms in the 80's. I own, owned or heard all those cartridges but the Kiadea and VDH ( click on the DOWNLOAD . ):
http://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=23658
We can note here that the Talisman Alchemist IIIS was choosed in the top preference group ( MC said that adding capacitance flattened the response. My Talisman sample works just wonderful with its today set up showing no " light " sound: a winner. ) and our touted AT 160 appears " only " in the third prefered group.
Of course that that comparison is an old one with an old audio system and if I agree that the Talisman performs a little better than the AT I disagree that the AT was down other cartridges that certainly are not up to the AT quality performance.
Btw, the AT was the top cartridges at measurements this is the AT/Signet mark with all its designs.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Hello Professor no i did not remember the sn from installation. I totally agree with your thoughts on performance i can listen all day after warm up its one after the other lp with the musical enjoyment im looking for.
Hello Danny you know how i feel about 155/160 its been on my triplaner for a long time and not coming off any time soon. tk7cla is giving this combo a run for it though so smooth so listenable.
I truly believe that these fine vintage cartridges sound so darn good due to vinyl being recorded/produced during the same time period. I have to believe that most if not all lps from the golden age of analog were voiced with our favorite cartridges.
Man i love this stuff. |
Dear Stltrains: ++++ " I have to believe that most if not all lps from the golden age of analog were voiced with our favorite cartridges. " +++++
this is very good point and the first time I read about, not only the LPs but almost every audio item related to analog.
Now, the electronics/speakers or whaever audio product of those old times were so " limited " on quality performance/design that the cartridges used for must be truly excellent ones to make the audio products can sound " decent " and IMHO that's why all those vintage cartridges ( almost all. ) sounds/performs so good with almost any today audio systems.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |