It is not my intention to convert or convince anyone to ‘switch’ from LOMCs to MM/MI cartridges. My efforts over the last five months…….were an attempt to resolve (for my own benefit)……the ‘generally’ accepted notion of the superiority of LOMCs with my ‘subjective’ preference for MMs? As I predicted……Dover resorts to a personal dismantling of my system and phono-stage? Were I however, to tout the ‘party line’ and praise some new (or old) LOMC as ‘the bees knees’……..no questioning of my phono-stage would ever occur? In terms of SS phono-stages and their valve counterparts……there are many ‘tube’ aficionados who have welcomed a SS phono-stage into their otherwise purely valve amplification due to the higher noise propensity of a valve stage trying to cope with the lower outputs of LOMCs? And in terms of matching phono-stages to cartridges…….MMs are more sensitive to both loading and capacitance than are MCs generally (please read J Carr’s extensive explanation of these facts). Perhaps Dover…….your inability to adjust these parameters is affecting the ultimate performance of MMs in your system?
In any case….the choice of equipment is rendered ‘mute’ because of the millions of permutations in the field still resulting in the general ‘preference’ for MC cartridges for mid to high-end systems?
My statements regarding the ‘Quest for Detail’ were perhaps poorly explained? I did not mean to imply that there was in fact MORE detail rendered by LOMCs…….but that the PRESENTATION of detail differed to that of MMs. I agree with Fleib that increased detail retrieval and volume or harmonics are NOT mutually exclusive? There are variations in the detail retrieval ability of differing MM cartridges just as there are with LOMCs…..and some of the best MMs I have, actually retrieve MORE detail than even the best LOMCs I have. Dover’s description of MMs as….”soft, turgid, nice to listen to, but doesn't challenge the senses, not too much detail.”….shows how limited his listening experiences have been?
But back to the PRESENTATION of ‘detail’….which is the real issue here I believe? With MMs…….the detail presented is simply a part of the DNA of the particular cartridge. With LOMCs however……it seems to me that the ‘details’ have been ‘highlighted’…..almost like a yellow highlighter picking out words in an extract of prose? In doing so……the value and meaning of the prose have been corrupted and the details…in themselves…..become the ‘meaning’?
How this relates to the perceived ‘stripping’ or dilution of ‘body’, ‘air’, ‘volume’ or ‘harmonics’….I have no idea? I would love to be technically qualified to try an explanation….but I am not. I can merely report what I hear and what Lew, Raul, Mike and others also seem to hear?
Regards |
Halcro - wasn't having a go at your system, more the point that you cant generalise make substantive statements such as Lewm's above one way or the other. I have heard great sound from many types of cartridges - MI's ( Grado/Soundsmith ), MC's, Strain Gauge, Stax Electrostatic, Decca Garrot and many others. I dont have a preference as long as I get musical pleasure from listening. My observations are that arm/TT compatibility can play more of a role in the determination of musical pleasure than whether a cartridge is a particular type and that very good, ie musical, phono stages are sadly few and far between stand. Sometimes less is more in a suboptimal system. I do think that if there are colorations, eg from mismatched componenets, our ears tend to close up. The removal of said colorations allows our ears to open up and perceive more detail/bloom etc whether it's real or not. |
Like David......I would be most interested in further elaboration on the 'voicing' of cartridges which you mention Jonathan? How does this relate to 'flat' frequency response?
Regards |
Regards, Dgarretson: Just curious, what do you estimate the eff. mass of the arm you're using with the 981 LZS?
Considering moving my Pickering XLZ (your Stanton's "twin brother by a different father") to a 7gm eff. mass EPA-500H arm. Performing nicely on an EPA-250 arm/Yamamoto ebony headshell, hf tracing is exemplary but bass seems somewhat damped. The 250 arm has this effect with certain carts. Any mention of the quality/quantity of bass heard from your Stanton would be appreciated.
Peace, |
Halcro - On a more less contentious note I'll put forward an analogy to the MC/MM debate. Years ago I rewired my ET2 with Van den hul monocrstal silver wire. Everyone said it had more detail. I wasn't entirely comfortable, I perceived a pinched effect in the upper midrange/lower treble and rewired the arm with oxygen free copper litz. Everyone thought it had less information. On extended listening with the upper mid lower treble emphasis removed I could hear into the music to a far greater degree with the oxygen free copper. Does either wire produce more detail ? I doubt it. Does one wire produce more harmonics than the other ? Who knows. Can we make substantive conclusions on the quality or attributes of each wire from this experience - no, unless we send the record/arm/cartridge & phono stage off to Mr Brisson ( MIT ) and ask him to replicate the environment & analyse the signal before and after it enters the cable.
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Dover, A good analogy.......I know what you mean as I have heard this effect myself between copper and silver wiring. I'm not sure though that the presentation I am hearing with LOMCs is identical because as I said......there is an immediate 'impressive' nature to hearing a good LOMC cartridge AFTER listening to a MM whilst with the silver wiring.......there is often a 'bleached' affect compared to the subjective 'fullness' of the copper? In other words....my experience with the silver vs copper wiring usually comes down in favour of the copper in a direct comparison. Interestingly.......many of my trusted audiophile friends with valve based equipment......usually come out strongly in favour of the silver wiring? System synergy perhaps?.......believe it! |
Regards, Dgarretson: Never mind. Found time to sit & listen attentively for the first time in about two weeks, came to the conclusion that what I'm NOT hearing is ambient information. Most likely suspect is a bottleneck at the lowly AT 630, looking into preamps for the first time in decades. (Raul is laughing, "I told you so!")
Will be watching for any additional info on the hybrid carts, thanks.
Peace, |
Regards Timeltel, there will be more listening, dial-in, and break-in to come, but my initial reaction to 981LZS is similar to yours. I have a collection of wands and weights to adjust inertial mass over a wide range; I will try lowering mass. The owner's manual doesn't spec the cartridge's compliance. I believe this has been reported as 30?
One observation makes me wonder whether this NOS 981LZS from Pick-upnaalden is due for refreshment of suspension. As received the stylus assembly was stuck inside the cartridge body by a whiteish deposit all around the cantilever barrel. It was touch and go extricating the stylus. The deposit was easily removed with Deoxit, and insertion and removal is now smooth. Perhaps the rubber suspension is similarly affected? I am prepared for a long break-in to loosen it up. Has anyone tried a drop of Deoxit or some other product to refresh a rubber suspension? |
Yes, 980 cu is 30. VTF is .75 to 1.5 There is some stuff called Re Grip. It's made for pinch rollers and such. Not recommended for carts. It could make the cu even higher or ruin the suspension. Even very old carts use synthetic rubber that normally doesn't deteriorate. I'd only try it as a last ditch effort. Regards, |
JCarr, Thank you for one of the most thoughtful and informative posts ever, among the 7000+ posts on this thread. I am going to copy and save it on my desktop for reference. When I qualified my perhaps ill-conceived hypothesis by admitting I have not had the pleasure to audition many or most of the very finest LOMC cartridges in my system, the Titan, the Olympos, and now the Atlas are certainly three among those I had in mind.
Dave et al, When I saw those NOS 981s for sale from Naalden, I had some concern in fact that they were "NOS", which means they were sitting around on a shelf for ~30 years. Nevertheless, I too ordered one based on my predilection for my well-used 980LZS. When I get it, I will be able to compare my two samples to perhaps shed some light on the question of suspension deterioration or stiffening that might be ameliorated by use. Even with the well broken in 980LZS, I can understand why some would call it "dark"; I think of it as being very rich in detail. It certainly does not roll off hf, which is what usually elicits the "dark" descriptor. "Rich in detail" is an interesting dichotomy. We usually talk about cartridges that reproduce what is perceived as detail as being "clinical". This one is not; it is both "rich" and "detailed".
FWIW, I have heard my 980LZS on my Kenwood LO7D using the Kenwood L07J tonearm. I do not know its effective mass, but the headshell alone is surely at least 12 gm in weight. Now most recently I have it mounted on my Reed 10.5-inch tonearm, which has effective mass around 14-17 gm. (I forget what the previous owner told me; the info is on the website). Tracking at 1.2 gm. Playing into the phono section of my Atma- MP1, which is very similar if not identical to Dave's MP1. (We modified our phono stages in concert with each other.) We use a hybrid dual-differential cascode input voltage amplifier, with an MAT02 bipolar transistor on the bottom and an ECC99 triode on the top of the cascode. |
Regards, Dgarretson/Lew(m): Where did I read the cantilever is viscously damped? Pickering UK has original styli, the D7500S (981) stylus is gone, other appropriate styli still available, both Stereohedron and ellipticals. The 4500S XLZ (NIB) was just over 4 bills US. Paypal protection, shipped, arrived w/i a week. Il Positino was not interested. If possible, I can recover my 3gm eff. mass Inf. Black Widow from son #2, the one who thinks "loan" means "give". Meanwhile I'll try the XLZ on the 7gm. EPA-500H wand, the arm enables a strong bass presentation.
Looking hard at "pre-pres", anyone have any experience of Graham Slee's Elevator EXP? Raul? Good reviews, Stereophile AAA list (for what that's worth). Lots of loading options into MM phono. High expectations of the cart, have an intuition it'll be worth it.
Peace, |
Dear friends: J.Carr posted something that all of us are hearing onece and again every single day and that Dlaloum made a " similar " reference months ago ( Dlaloum refered to : how much of what we heard at high frequencies is real frequency response and how much is IMD/distortions ):
+++++ " Even if the LP only extends out to 5kHz, distortion can "create" 10kHz, 15kHz, 20kHz and so on " +++++
this is why is so important to get as lower it can the cartridge tracking distortions. The didtortion and the generated harmonics is something that's part on every single audio system all over electronics, cartridges or speakers.
I posted several times that many times that: crisp, open, brillant, transparent and " inner detail " are only distortions high distortions and not really music information but we are accustom to and we think that's what is in the recording that that is musical information when it is not but distortions.
Till today and thanks to the J.Carr post I heve a part of the explanation on what we hear that has a high content of distortions and that we are not aware that are distortions.
I know I'm aware and that's what I supported for years but even some of you think I'm " crazy " or " deaf " about because for example Lewm posted in a ironic way something like this: " because he is aware or can hear distortions and we can't ".
Anyway, very good point on what J.Carr posted about.
Everything the same on cartridge quality level performance what really define that quality level is the phono stage. We all know this but only a few gives the real importance of this link on the analog quality performance medium. Of course like Lewm/Dover pointed out the extra gain need it for the LOMC cartridges makes a difference and we can't think a difference for the better: any additional stages where the cartridge signal must pass means degradation and added distortions and we can hear it if we are aware of those distortio0ns. That's why is so critic the phono stage for LOMC cartridges and I agree with some of you that think that there are not many truly good phono stage designs out there. In this regards of added signal stages for the LOMC ones these kind of cartridges are in clear disadvantage against the MM/MIs but the MM/MIs is a challenge too and I know that as with the LOMC phono stages there are not many MM phono stages up to MM needs and one reason is that the designers does not cares about the MM/MI alternative.
The high-end phono stages that comes with both options ( LOMC and MM/MI ) its real " design effort " goes on the LOMC side and the MM/MI alternative is only a " side line " many times only to have an additional " facility " to the customer but way lower quality in the design.
I hope that sooner or latter the phono stage designers not only be better ones with the LOMCs but more important with the MM/MIs that due to its " poor " design this kind of cartridge is in disadvantage and even that we love it by comparisons.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Lew & Timeltel, My 981LZS has improved considerably after lightening up on vertical mass, tweaking azimuth, and run-in to the five hour mark. I accord with Lew's assessment of a "richly" detailed performance-- a very detailed but smooth and refined treble, in contrast to the slightly nervous treble of the Pick XSV3000. Compared to my previous mount the MF-100, the Astatic is lit up with more saturated tonal colors, faster transients, and more forward presentation. The 981LZS has better depth of field and separation, is calmer, and perhaps more natural in communicating the wistfully disaffected nuances of Johnny Cash, Lucinda Williams, and Rob Callaghan. Further judgment will be reserved for the 50 hour mark, lest I be accused of never meeting an MM/MI that I didn't like. |
Timeltel, extreme LF is articulate and authoritative. It could use a cleaner and more open window from mid-bass into midrange. Hopefully arriving with break-in. However thus far it is proven as a good spend. |
Dear Timeltel, Two comments: (i) The price of that 4500S stylus is why I went ahead to purchase the NOS 981LZS; for only about $100 more, I get a whole new cartridge AND a correct NOS D98S stylus. (ii) Regarding your son who thinks "loan" means "give", shouldn't he be a natural for the TAS staff? I have heard they have a similar idea of the meaning of those two terms.
Dear Dave, The words you chose to describe the 981LZS are in accordance with my thoughts and feelings about that cartridge. Compared to the Acutex or even to the Grace Ruby, the 980 puts less of a "spotlight" on the featured performer and gives me more of what the sidemen or the rest of the orchestra is doing. This per se is neither good nor bad, just "what it does". However, the net effect is to make me feel more involved in the performance. (The Acutex spotlights the main performer, sometimes at the expense of the other musicians, IMO.) |
Jcarr i agree with lewms post. What a breath of fresh air jcarr your words speak volumes many thanks.
Mike |
Jonathan,
"Note that I have and will limit myself to discussing technical issues, and will not seek to belittle anyone's listening preferences. My view is that, when it comes to personal listening likes and dislikes, there is no correct or incorrect - everyone has the right to choose the sound that they like the most."
This is a modus operandi by which we could all be guided while expressing our 'preferences' and reasons for these.
Thanks
As always |
Dear Dgarretson: +++++ " detailed performance-- a very detailed but smooth and refined treble. " +++++
agree with you. Perhaps the main difference between the L and H Stanton models reside here where IMHO the H one put more " drama " down there a more real " drama " instead the L version could be too smooth.
Good that as Lewm you are satisfied with and as you posted: +++ " lest I be accused of never meeting an MM/MI that I didn't like. " +++++
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Raul, "Happy", yes. "Satisfied", never. That is the hallmark of our disease. |
Timeltel, Thanks for the detailed description of the Signet carts. I am listening to it now. I would like to reach you via private e-mail, but can't find a way to do that. I hope the censors permit me to give you mine. Steve stmechanic1@comcast.net |
Hi, Mechans: A feature I miss. whitmat@gmail.com.
Peace, |
Dear Lew, If 'happy' and 'satisfied' are not seen as a (conitnuous) 'state' but as (temporary) events than we all must have both from time to time. Otherwise the life would be unbearable. I am convinced that we are still captive in the old Greek tradition to use 'metal analogy' in description of our 'states': 'gold honest', 'iron strong',etc. Consider the so called 'contrafactual conditionals' like 'conducting electricity' ( copper) or 'soluble in water'. I have a piece of copper (wire) in front of me which conducts nothing and a lump of suger which is not disolved. However our experience is such that we believe that IF the copper (wire) would be connected to some current IT will conduct while the suger will desolve when put in water. I don't believe that we can use such analogy to describe 'human conditions'. We can say: humans sometimes behave in accordance with the rules and somtime not. We can't say: copper sometimes conducts electricity and sometime does not.
Regards, |
hello all does anyone know if Axel might be on holiday or hopefully not ill been trying to contact him since he emailed me on the 25th of last month.
Thanks Mike |
Hi Mike, Axel is not on holiday nor is he ill but has to many assignments. His latest email to me is from 05-02-12. My correspondence with Axel is amicable but I need to wait a week or so for his answer. His biggest problem are carts which are difficult to repair or need some spares which he need to order. This causes some delay while the customers are not very patient...
Regards, |
Hello nandric good to hear glad all is well on axels end. Just would like you to know impatience has nothing to do with it. When its stated that your cartridge is finished and will be sent in a few days back in mid april and you don't hear another word that's called concern.
Thanks for the value information
Mike |
That's strange Mike, When my cartridges were ready.......Axel sent me an Email with the Tracking No of the postal service together with the Invoice for the work. In other words.......he sent the completed cartridges before I had even paid him? And I was a new customer...a total stranger! That is 'trust'......I don't know if it's necessarily good business practice? :^) My cartridges arrived in little over a week so something seems amiss with your job? As Nandric says......Axel gets a little snowed under these days and does not respond immediately to Emails. Have you tried phoning? |
Hello helcro no I have not tried phoning and not going to bother him on the weekend.
Im a first timer with Axel and yes I am concerned but no worries as I know from this thread he is a first class act and I do plan on using his services on the future. My repair was not simple I believe but Axel did respond last month that it was complete. This is p100le and as you can Imagen I am chomping at the bit to drop the needle.
Thanks for the resopnce Mike |
Mike, For heaven's sake, don't drop the needle until you have properly set VTF. Otherwise, it will go right back to Axel.
Nandric, Like a lump of sugar, I am sweet. Like a piece of copper wire, I am able to conduct electricity (briefly). And I am probably "satisfied" at least transiently, not "never". In fact in certain other endeavors, I am always satisfied. I myself was excavating Raul's sentiment, if you know what I mean. |
Hey lew im old and thanks for the reminder. Le has been on the road for some time now and I surely want to enjoy it, as described by Raul that superior sound she will deliver.
Working is no fun when I could be spinning vinyl Mike |
Dear Lew, I was shocked to read that my 'sweet friend' was never satisfied despite the best electrostats (plural) ever, the best TT's (plural) ever, the best tonearms (plural) ever, not to mention all the carts of both kinds. So I thought that it is my duty to comfort you somehow. For this purpose I even mentioned 'contrafactuals' as well as (the Greek) 'metal analogy'. Alas I forget to mention the 'strongest argument'. 'Happy' and 'satisfied' imply for the humans some relationship :'Happy with x', 'satisfied with y', etc. Interestig to know that you (can)conduct electricity as well that you taste sweet but it must be obvious that it make no sense to speak about: 'copper is happy with x' or 'copper is satisfied with y'. However I have no problem at all when you want to tease Raul but why me?
Dear Halcro, 'a totally unknown (to Axel) Aussie?' I hope you will be not disapointed but you was introduced to Axel before you posted your carts. I wanted to be sure that you will get : the pressure fitted line contact diamonds in the tapered aluminum cantilevers. I am a kind of proud of this 'invention'. As if I myself invented the construction. Even Raul is copying this discovery of my btw.
Regards, |
Dear Stltrains: Axel has several of my cartridges, last week I emailed asking for the total amount of his works with four of those cartridges and I just receive an email from him telling me that today he will ship those cartridges.
The " funny " an unexpected thing is that he will ship with out payment because he does not gives the amount a bout. This confirm the very good Halcro's experiences with Axel.
I think you have to worry of nothing with this gentleman, as Nandric posted: he is now a very busy man.
regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Hey Raul Axel sent a email this morning its on the way. I was not worried just concerned. He told me he had to replace stylus cantilever and suspension. No wonder i couldn't get it to make music.
Mike |
Hi Mike, The most of those AKG carts have suspension problem because AKG used some problematic stuff for the 'rubber ring'. This stuff hardened as fuction of time and light. That Axel can repear the AKG carts is very important to know. I give up AKG carts because of the mentioned fault but intend to reconsider my attitude. On the German ebay there are always AKG carts offered usually with defective 'styli' (aka suspension) and for very interesting prices. However I have seen 'your' AKG 100 only once in 4 years time. They must be very rare. You lucky b...
Regards, |
Hey nandric the only problem with 100 is its got the price of a mid level mc. And when you add the cost to repair this baby is expensive.
Until I get to hear this cartridge can't say its worth its high price. Raul has commented and reviewed 100 and nothing but positives. Im still stuck on the at 155lc body 160 ml stylus and it rocks. Should be interesting once broke in how 100 will compare.
Mike |
Hi Mike, 'its got the price of a mid level MC'. This is actually a very strange argument. But I must confess to think the same way despite the fact that I know that such 'reasoning' make no sense. We at least assume that some MM carts are equal or even better than, say, many (LO)MC's. I think that we are programmed with the so called 'normal' illusion. The 'normal' lenght of a guy (+ the other lenght), the 'normal' intellect...and the 'normal price' of anything. The classical economist also used the concept of the 'normal price'. But 18K for a cart which one will need to retip after 1000 hours of use is rather crazy. So probable the 'status' as with the cars is also involved. My own upper limit for the MM carts is $500. No idea why. My limit for the MC carts is $3000 . That is to say I would never pay more for any cart. But this is some kind of 'principle' probable related to the prices of other components in MY 'system' of valuation as well with my income category.
Regards, |
Dear friends: Interesting !!!!!?:
http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?6502-Refund-problem
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Raul, very interesting read. But what I cannot understand is that the moderator of that thread wants to close it. What he should do is set guidelines for members to follow. There may be more victims coming out later or given time, Daniel may decide to respond to all the charges. I hope the issues are resolved. This little audio community of ours do not need this if we aspire to advance audio in the present state. |
04-28-12: Dgarretson A half day of setting up and break-in NOS 981LZS is slowly yielding results. It prefers 47K to a 500R load and a light 1-1.1 gm VTF to open up and alleviate an initially dark & recessed presention. Tracking is flawless. Too early to tell what it's capable of.
Albert, why did you put yours up for sale after one hour of use? Sorry, I just returned to this thread and noticed the question. The reason for selling is it does not work in my system. The Coralstone and Air Tight Supreme are incredible but the load (I assume) is not good for the Stanton. In any case I ordered my Lyra Atlas today, with my other cartridges I need to sell the Stanton. |
Dear Raul, You are very selective qua arguments. In your own case with Don you used the argument provided by me on the strict legal grounds. Ie the contract law apply only to the parties involved. I also stated that our forum is not a tribunal. I even got a reprimand from some members who accused me to 'choose sids'. You also used the 'tribunal' argument. How is that the same arguments are not appropriate in Dertonarms case?
Regards, |
One of the problems with buying items off sites like this, is reliability of feedback. It's often unreliable. Ripped off buyers don't leave neg feedback for a variety of reasons. If you leave neg feedback it diminishes the chances that you'll get your money back. The feedback system is designed to promote sales and equitable solutions, but when you read two very different versions of the same story, what do you believe? You usually think that the best story is probably right, rather than the just a better story or the last word read. I don't know all the new rules. Can the seller also leave neg feedback? Although rare, buyers can also be cheats. What to believe?
Nandric, you do us all a disservice with your tribunal BS. No, this isn't a court of law and any information we get about these kind of matters helps us all get what we pay for. Do you think those people were making up stories about being ripped off for tens of thousands of dollars? We have the opportunity of buying an alignment protractor for nearly $800, right now. Perhaps someone not as knowledgeable as you, thinking it's the best, might go for it. After receiving said protractor, that person would be a prime candidate for a major rip - private sale. This isn't a court of law and your efforts are interfering with the court of public opinion, on which we all rely.
Raul, I think you did the right thing in posting that. I trust everything worked out equitably with that cartridge matter. Regards, |
For the record, I bought one of DT's protractors. It was an enormous sum to pay for a protractor, I admit, but more like $700, not $800. In the bargain, DT supplied the templates for 7 different tonearms (and more, since some of the templates are generic). If you went to MintLP you would pay $100 each for his tonearm-specific protractors, and so seven of them would cost the same as what I paid. Meantime, the protractor is a true precision instrument which includes every accessory you could ever think of to assist in accurately mounting a cartridge. Further, it can be used with any turntable, since he has supplied adaptors to account for differences among turntables in spindle diameter. In other words, I am very satisfied with my purchase. At the same time, I too have read these other disturbing stories, and Raul is not the first person to send me that link. In one other case, DT may or may not have been involved in slandering the name of someone in this hobby whom I hold to be above reproach, but it is hard to see how DT could have profited from that. In any case, I have an open mind at this point. In his dealing with me, DT was honorable. (Same goes for Raul.) But lets not turn this into a trial in absentia. |
Dear Fleib, read your own post reg. the conflict between Raul an Don. You are as selective as Raul is qua arguments. To call legal arguments 'BS' says more about you then about legal arguments. Those are established with thousends years of experience (since Roman civil Law). You even needed this strange story about the negative feedback to accomodate your story. There are specific institutions to solve transactions problems. We are a 'forum' and not a 'tribunal'. You are obviously very fond of tribunals. Well everyone is responsible for his own transactions and everyone is free to spend his own money as he pleases. The disappontments are always afterwards and I can't see what we can do about that. BTW Raul refused to answer your questions in your quest for your kind of 'justice'. Something wrong with your memory?
Regards, |
Dear Nandric, The problem with your argument is, I'm not looking for justice. I'm looking to be informed about honest or dishonest sellers. You must admit that the myriad stories on that thread are compelling. The fact is, a private transaction can be risky, especially an international transaction. If the legal system is needed to rectify, it's expensive, time consuming and can take years to settle, if at all. Even if you get a judgement you might not be able to collect and you still have to pay the legal fees. What a monumental waste of time. My point is, knowledge is preventative medicine. Life is too short to waste it on unnecessary BS. Regards, |
Dear Fleib, For those who want to avoid possible trouble there is the ebay (aka paypal) protection. In Europe the payment is 'blocked' till both parties are satisfy. This of course is not so much 'the protection' by ebay but by the seller which money is involved. He also pays all the fees. Your argument is about our members as possible sellers and buyers. You have of course seen that Dertonarm has 100% positive feedback by Audigon market so you needed this strange argument about the feedback to weaken this fact. If the problem you assume to exist is actual we will know about that by our own private correspondence or otherwise. I am not aware that this is a real problem in our ,uh, community. But if you know better or more you should name the imposters and not speculate about them. This is the consequence of your pretentions.
Ragards,
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Maybe we are all a bit played out on the subject of vintage MM and MI cartridges, which is why these other unrelated issues come up.
What interests me is not the identity of the MC cartridge that Raul likes so much but rather the reason why he might not want to share the information with us. I cannot imagine it. |
Raul, I think you have left a lot of us hanging as per your cheap reference MC. In the past, you use to notify us if there is any gem of a cartridge for sale on this site/others. What happened ? But whatever the case Raul, let us move forward as a community. Guys, once again, I am going to take a guess on Raul's reference MC, which I have followed the sale and price and quantity available has reduced considerably lately. It is the SAE 1000E/1000LT($199.00). Hope I am right but the cartridge does not interest me. |
Nandric,
I partially apologize about my earlier accusation concerning your apparently partisan approach to certain debates. However, I do think the issue about an approach built around 'proscription' (be it on thought, knowledge or the remits of this or any forum) demonstrate my concerns with your use of Frege. 'Traditionalism" (in its older Italian sense) is complex and not always as simple to escape as it might seem - vis. Kant's 'What is Orientation in Thinking?' That obviously also relates to his tribunal of thought across the Critiques. As a lawyer, even if not as successful as you would wish, I suppose you find that axionatically bogus rather than acroamatically enlightening.
As a minimalist by inclination (and finally aware of the import of my Mother's frequent saying: "the emptiest bucket makes the most noise") I do not aim to repeat my arguments as I believe I have said everything that I have to say on that matter across this thread.
Fleib and Lewm, seem to have a point in drawing out the distinction between establishing a tribunal and informing others of potential problems. The readers have their own knowledge and ability to determine how they engage with that information. As I said before, neither Don or Raul are the first to use this forum to achieve the latter.
No doubt this will be received as it will
As always... |
Dear Dgob, The strange thing is that Frege never intended to devise a theory about the 'common language'. His aim was to show why the common language is not adequate for the scientific purpose and consequently designed a 'sign language'(Begriffsschrift) which become the 'modern logic'. He is the so called 'father' of the modern logic. He designed his 'sign language' as the first step for his real aim: the fundation of mathematics. Consequently he was primary interested in the 'truth functional' propositions. There are other kinds of propositions among which also the prescriptive kind. Those are not true or false. But the same way as we learn our native language we also learn all kinds of prescriptions which we may call 'social rules'. However we are not educated as lawyers while they designed all kinds of (legal) 'procedures' for 'problem solving'. Even the old Roman lawyers were aware that people should not fight in person to solve their conflicts but shuld put their conflict before a specific law court. This 'simple fact' is of a immense economic importance. Instead to fight and use their energy for the conflict the people can put their energy in their usual productive work and leave the conflict solving to others who are educated for this kind of work. We can see that even 'nations' or 'states' discovered that this way of conflict solving is to prefer above fighting. There are many international courts already and they are 'growing ' in numbers. We also speak about 'supra-national laws' while the aim is to get an 'world system of justice'. So dear Dgob the prescriptions are not given a priori nor are they 'dogmatic' but also designed and developed in time as all other discoveries are. We hope that they make sense as well that they are useful.
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Audpulse, I think Raul's fave MC is something much more mundane than that SAEC. I think it's a fairly modern garden variety LOMC. For that reason, Raul is loathe to identify it, because revealing its identity would take the sturm und drang out of this thread and its more than 7000 posts. Something like, "Well folks, after reporting on more than 200 vintage MM cartridges, I have decided that my Lyra Titan (Ortofon MC2000?) is superior to all of them." Where would that leave the rest of us? (Back where we started, no doubt.) Perhaps we are better off not knowing what our putative leader is thinking. And Raul's revelation was possibly the result of changing a few capacitors in the MC section of his phono preamp. The horror! (Forgive me, Joseph Conrad.) |
'The horror'. My way to 'force' Raul to name the name is to write about phylosophy. To prevent headache he has no other option than to confess. But in those difficult economic times people do things which we would not normaly expect from them. My quess is that he intend to first buy, say, 50 specimens and than make the name public. The Dertonarm case is a kind of (smart)strategy for the purpose. But in the victorious market economy (aka 'the capitalistic one') such kind of behaviour is not only allowed but also considered to be very smart. For my quess to be true the first condition is that the MC in casu must be realativ cheap (for now) but also relativ abundant. Say about 100 specimens. If this apply Raul can reserve an evening by Maxime in France. And also keep some 'change' for the best capacitors and resitors ever made.
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