@zq1 I encourage you to listen to Joseph Audio Perspective speakers. Retail price is $13K. I own them. Great sound, great looks, nice size and I think they are a high value proposition. They match the definition of what you are seeking. But make sure you actually hear them: your ears are the ones that have to live with your purchasing decision.
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What do you consider the most musical speakers—$15000 & under
Most any loudspeaker mated well to the room and matched properly with upstream components with synergy being the goal.
I’d rather have $100K upstream of $10K to $20K speakers , than the other way around.
IOW…. Although a speakers flaws can or may be obvious upon systematic auditions,
Keepin things ‘right sized’ sprks/room will help tremendously.
Ensuring the upstream gear is as exemplary as is possible will prevent the addition of more errors, and make for a much more involving presentation, even though these what ever speakers are not $15K MSRP.
As for a pick to the Ops question:
not having heard them, but on rep alone from nearly every review, the new Wilson Sabrinas seem to be pushing a lot of the hot buttons for a lot of audio first cats. Albeit, I should think too, one can cut a deal fairly easily at or under their MSRP.
Presuming nothing is already on site, If both amp and speakers are the target for less than $15K I’d have to fall into using an INT and nice speakers with the INT eating most of the budget like 60/40 or so. As much as $10K INT & $5K speakers, both as used but without these numbers being set to stone.
Separates could be swung too but I thought to present a simpler approach beginning with nothing at all on hand. Prices and RWV
Additionally…
The latest Andrew Jones stand mounted monitors and Gryphon Diablo 300 INT comes in new right at $15K.
Used…. Wilson Sophia III & PSA hybrid stereo amp ought to come in under the targeted figures. A preamp of sorts will be needed though.
New… Tekton ??? & VAC INT ought to be interesting..
Or as some might prefer new….
Maybe harbeth 30s and an Adcom pre and amp combo. Or NAD or NuForce receiver as some feel electronics are so equal these days,they do not matter as much as speakers do.
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How about combining words?
Musically accurate!
I can’t see how speakers can evade either adjective if it is to be considered as very good or beyond.
Speakers should sound like the musical information they need to create. Horns = horns. Trumpets should not sound like trombones. Drums = drums. Bongos ought not sound like Congas. Snares not akin to Tom Tom. Tom tom shouldn’t be heard as Tiffany. Reeds and strings? Should sound like reeds and strings. Tenor sax should not sound like alto sax.
And Cow bells should always be distinctive. Even when beaten repeatedly during ‘Don’t fear the Reeper’. If Christopher Walken is banging on one or not.
Connotatively musical and accuracy can be separated by gulfs or oceans. Its been said here already. Euphony on the one side for musical and the flip side of accuracy can imply clinical or analytical. Or worse still, sterile.
Musically accurate, if set side by each, seems to resolve any vague inferences and implications, and what I look for in loudspeakers.
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@zq1
Dr Floyd Toole studied this conundrum and surprise surprise in blind testing listeners preferred “accurate” speakers, that is those with
1) flat full range even frequency response (no large peaks or troughs)
2) even and wide dispersion
3) low distortion
4) clean waterfall clear of unwanted coloration or added resonances
5) play loud while still honouring all of the above
It does seem strange but listeners actually preferred accuracy!
JA Stereophile tests are actually very useful if you know how to read the measurement plots. Almost every B&W speaker looks awful from an accuracy perspective - maybe this is what epitomizes “musical” as they are very popular.
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I would prefer both. Yes they need to be musical so that I can enjoy the music and not feel like a reviewer dissecting the sound but they should also be accurate so that I will be satisfied long term.
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All speakers are going to have the finger prints of their designer. So no speaker can be accurate because the designers ears are doing the translating & that's subjective. What is wrong with a speaker being musical?
Are there any speakers $15000 and under that you would recommend.
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And since no gear has perfect accuracy... |
euphonic means "pleasing to the ear", doesn't mean "smoothed over" though that is what some prefer...different electronics, different rooms, different inner and outer ears, different preferences...
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@hifiman5
If “musical” means accurate then why not use the term “accurate” - to me musical is quite vague and includes pretty much anything except perhaps a lawnmower. |
@shadorne "Musical is a euphemistic term. It is a nice way of saying a speaker sounds nice even if it doesn’t sound realistic at all."
I believe the word you are defining or describing above would be "euphonic" rather than "musical". For me, at least, "musical" assumes accuracy as a prerequisite....it means an evenness to frequency response an openness of soundscape and a smoothness of texture (ex. hearing that a cymbal is being struck by a wood or plastic tipped drumstick and in the best circumstances, the metal overtones from a drum kit)
"euphonic" is not what most audiophiles desire. If I'm listening to hard rocking group, I want to hear all of the intended distortions that are part of that creative process, NOT a smoothed over version of that reality.
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@jl35
JG Holt ended up with ATC SCM 50ASL after many years. He liked and owned Soundlabs for many years too.
I don’t think there is such a thing as musical - either a device is high fidelity (accurate) or it isn’t. A lack or accuracy does not make a speaker more musical to my ears.
Musical is a euphemistic term. It is a nice way of saying a speaker sounds nice even if it doesn’t sound realistic at all. |
Musical to me the speakers keeps you listening longer and longer in your listening chair, You forget accuracy.So I pick musical speakers.from what I read it seems double impact tekton does that...but again any speakers can become musical if your system match your speakers... |
lots of good reading about accuracy vs musicality in old Stereophiles by JG Holt |
Isn't accuracy needed to reproduce the music?
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