For speakers to listen to music or watch movies with a capacity of 45w-150w, you can combine it with an Amply. If the power is more than 150w, use Power amplifier.
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I think my synergistic combo is really a fluke that makes real magic together. Adcom 565SE(a currently in production model), Schiit Audio Freya +, and a pair of Infinity Primus P362 towers. The cables are wireworld Oasis 7 speaker cables, mostly Audioquest IC’s with some Pangea power cords. Dedicated line/breaker for the amp, and everything is on the same ‘hot’, or phase at the electrical panel. I had been breaking in the recently purchased amp with different speakers and after about 80 hours( over two weeks) swapped in the Infinity speakers. They had been in storage and took several hours to sound themselves. I played the set up in the background while I did things in the room, and suddenly realized there was a band in the room! I walked over and sat in the listening chair, and marvelled at how well everything was being presented. I worked my way through my HiFi playlist and the air, imaging and detail had me shaking my head. So impressed, and I’m now waiting for some KEFs with the uni q drivers. We’ll see... |
yoby, hi; that wouldn't be a bad guess, but in this instance it is a different setup. (BTW, on a speaker review underway the Exogal Comet/Ion combo was superb!) In this particular case the new Cipher Tube DAC from Wells Audio was under review. I just submitted the article for editing and technical check a couple days ago, so the review should appear soon. It's a gorgeous sounding unit, and it plays very well into an amp. My unit did not have the volume control built in, but Wells is working on that. Of course, one has to use software attenuation when using dedicated DAC direct to amp. I actually discuss the question of Pre/no Pre in the article, because I had varying results with the same DAC and two different preamps. :) |
Thanks grindstaff, that Iotavx looks like a real bargain! https://www.iotaenterprises.co.uk/products/iotavx-audiophile-stereo-amplifier-sa3 |
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jss49, yes, there are those who would recoil from such a setup, presuming that because theoretically the sound would be worse, it wouldn’t be worth attempting. They would be wrong. Typically, as in the system I did set up this evening, going DAC direct to amp, and even using a less than perfect software attenuation is FAR superior to many (I’ll not be dogmatic about it, though I think I have a pretty good reason to be) systems set up alternatively. I obtained the best results to date this evening with the DAC direct to amp, much better than all the previous iterations of systems made with it, despite using the software attenuation. Let’s learn from this; sometimes the theoretical bad idea is actually a far superior actual result. That is why I actually build systems to test, rather than presume. The results can be - well, often are - surprising, and thrilling. :) |
FYI, there is another method to use a DAC direct to amp which involves software attenuation. If you have a music service such as ROON, you can use the software volume control in the media controller to raise or lower the volume, allowing a similar setup, but with a dedicated DAC. I have done this several times, and while one must exercise caution to always know precisely where the software volume control is (to not accidentally turn on/off the amp with it at a high level, etc.), it works very well. It was difficult to trust it initially, but now I am not worried to use it. In fact, I have a dedicated DAC on review that I plan on doing that very thing today. Is that a superior method to build a system? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It depends upon the preferences of the listener and the actual combination of gear. With the Pathi I had a slightly different setup in that I could run a CDP's analogue output directly into the integrated amps in mono. I advise that all possible permutations of systems be tried, as there is no telling, especially since cable differences have a strong influence, which will be superior. It is a mistake to presume the performance pecking order. |
mahgister Well the price is right! Ah, Sansui, my first system, way back at the ripe age of 17. Integrated amp and separate tuner. I just went through 2 pages of Google images to see if I could find the model of the amp, with no luck. Wish I still had it, along with all the other gear I had in the past. Very interesting DAC you have there: http://www.makeasound.net/blog/category/starting-point-systems-dac3 jjss49 Both systems using DACs as pre-amps? |
Nos Dac Starting points Systems --> Amplifier Sansui AU 7700 --> Speakers Mission cyrus 781.... Total cost around 400 dollars with a new tuning and replacement of some parts for the amplifier... It is the best system i ever listen to, but i am not a guy that had listen too many systems, only some good one with magnepans, Tannoy or Quads.... Sound so good when rightfully embedded, that i was proud of myself and very afraid to upgrade it... No hurry and no need.... :) |
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MAC MHA 100 (50 W headphone amp), PS Audio Direct Stream DAC w/ Bridge II, Fostex th900 MK2 w/ upgraded silver/copper cable and titanium connectors. Wireworld gold XLR and Transparent ethernet cable. Obviously a headphone/ streamer set up and will blow your ear drums out before it ever hints distortion. I have a pair of Solilouy 5.1 speakers that match well and doesn’t beg power from the MHA 100. Open back headphones would elevate this system to next level, but i require the quiet provided by closed cans. Whole system cost me about $11K new and used gear (retail= approx. $14K. NO REGRETS. Once the cans go on, i’m in my own world of audio bliss. |
No subs with the KK III's Doug? helomech - was unaware of the Stirling Broadcast SB-88s. I do know some Spendors can be auditioned locally though. jred - LTA sure comes up a lot as a big positive! asvjerry :-) richopp - gotta hear myself some of those Magnepans, I think there is a dealer somewhere in Seattle. Which model are you currently running and do you use subs? yabe1951 - ah vintage, I truly miss my AR 9 speakers, coupled with my Carver C500 power & C4000 pre amps, my Oracle turntable and Teac tape deck, all channeled through my SAE graphic equalizer! |
Verging on vintage- A highly modified Rotel RCD 991 (Burson discrete Op Amp replacements, Dexa clock, higher grade audio caps in signal path, etc by Parts Connexion, Canada) to ARC Ref 3 to modified McCormack DNA 1 (SMc Platinum Ultra with Plitron transformer etc.) driving Thiel CS 3.6 speakers. Running dedicated AC line to AQ Niagara 1000 with Shunyata Alpha HC power cables and AQ Columbia XLR interconnects. Characteristics of this system are low noise floor and good dynamics with nice soundstage and good frequency balance. Pieces work in harmony having good impedance match between pre and amp and amp is able to fill heavy current requirements of Thiels. Purchased every piece used over many years on a teacher paycheck. It would seem that the CD player is the weakest performer, but I have tried others that cost 2X or 3X without any great improvement. Hoping to score a used Hegel Mohican to compare in the future. |
Hardware from Audio Research and speakers from Magnepan have had a long and happy relationship. Before they "broke-up" and Wendell went from AR to M, this was a combo that was even marketed together. I have this system, and I have yet to hear one that is substantially better no matter HOW MUCH MONEY you spend. Both companies have much newer products today, and I am not saying they retained their synergistic qualities, but you owe it to yourself to LISTEN to a system composed of those items that is set up correctly in a room that is properly configured before making a buy decision. It may not be your cup of tea, but at least you were exposed to as good as sound system as you will ever find and can decide what you like and don't like about it before moving on to whatever YOU like IN YOUR ROOM, of course. Cheers! |
*L* The majority of the things I collect and ic together? *L* At least, until it doesn't....*shrug* Much like anyone else here responding to the query....;) I think we all in general let our ears do the walking 'n talking....*S* Ones' 'disposable income' sets the upper limits to varying degrees, as noted by the descriptions.... |
What is amazing to me is how elevated the speaker's performance is compared to years ago. I continue to be impressed by how "flexible" a speaker's sound can be based on the ancillary components and cables. The truth is that is takes dozens of rigs to gain a holistic sense of what a speaker can actually do. When a hobbyist has the occasion to take a speaker that is well-loved and elevate its performance several times, that is imo High End enjoyment, as of course, the experience of hearing music through it is so gratifying, so enriching. |
Currently in the rig I have three consistent elements: 1. SOURCE: WireWorld Silver Starlight Ethernet Cable Small Green Computer sonicTransporter with SONORE systemOptiqueand associated optical cable SONORE Signature Rendu SE Clarity Cable Supernatural USB cable 2. AMP: Pass Labs XA200.8 Monos 3. Speakers: Kingsound King III electrostatic speakers The DAC and cables are under review and change as required. I will build approximately 10-12 discrete systems for assessment, demanding improving synergy with each iteration. The system listed is representative of my work in regard to escalating synergy over 8 years. There have been many systems with the King III speakers that had "synergy", but the perfection has never been better than with the systems built for this review. That should stand to reason, as the source, DAC, cables and amps are all higher end compared to what I was working with years ago. |
You’re shopping, and it seems you are shooting in the dark. (Which is fine, if that is what you really want to do.) The general question of what constitutes synergy in an audio system is unproductive. You will get a set of answers that is completely unusable, given the variance in products and listeners. You need to be specific in using a search for synergy, or "perfect" sound. Focus on one item, the speakers, I suggest, and work from there. Genres of speakers include Panel, Open Baffle, Dynamic, Horn, Omnidirectional, etc. and hybrids of these. Finally, be aware that unless a person has the capacity to hear hundreds of systems and dozens with a particular product, then the acclamation of synergy or perfect sound is to be weighted as such. Simply because someone thinks a match is good, in no way means it is ideal, or cannot be vastly improved. The systems I built years ago with speakers I would not listen to today. The common factor in the advancement of synergy is one thing, better components and cables, which are often much higher priced. Hence, the question, only partially facetious, $5K, $20K, or $75K synergy? So, I recommend you hone your search to start with a speaker. If you make the "wrong" decision of the speaker that moves you, then you can have a system with excellent synergy and it still won’t wow you. Give some consideration to this. :) |
Stirling Broadcast SB-88s driven by a Benchmark AHB2, connected via Mogami cables to the TRS jack of a Quicksilver Headphone Amp. Source is Tidal through a Topping D90. The resolution approaches some of the cost-no-object systems I've heard. The 88s continue to surprise as upstream ancillaries improve -- their tweeters now approaching what I typically associate with Be domes. |
lancelock Sounds good! Daedalus Audio is just down the street from me, Lou make great speakers. He’s affiliated with LTA (and Modwright). I heard the LTA integrated on Apollo 11 loudspeakers, wow! In turn, Spatial Audio offers bundles with LTA which may offer more of a planar style sound, which I like as well. |
