Vinyl static ionizers who's used them?


There are 2 that I know of the DS Audio ION-001 Vinyl ionizer or the CS Port Static Eliminator IME1. Are they worth the asking price? 

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I really don’t know.  I’m trying to figure out what might work but maybe an inonizer isn’t the perfect answer to destatic vinyl records.  That’s why I’m posting to see what might work.  It just seems that whenever you take a device and label it as an audio product the price multiples dramatically.  
I also noticed that it’s not good to run an ionizer continuously while in the room.  So if something like this would work to destatic vinyl it should be only be used for brief times I guess.  Here are the specs of this unit:

Specification 

Current Consumption: 0.25A or 0.12A 

Air Velocity: 45CFM-110CFM (Adjustable) 

Air Flow Characteristics: 40cm*60cm 

Operating Temperature: 0~50℃ 

Ion Balance(Offset Voltage): 0±10 V. 

Noise level: <57dB 

Air volume: 1.0~2.0㎥/min 

Ion Needle Material: Pure Copper 

Silicone power cord length: 1.7m 

Test Results 

  • Test Voltage: 1KV-100V 
  • Ambient Temperature: 22 ℃ 
  • Test Humidity: 75%RH 
  • Test Distance: 300mm 600mm 900mm 
  • Neutral Time: positive 1.2s 2.5s 3.9s 
  • negative 1.3s 2.6s 4.1s 
  • Residual Voltage: positive 8V 5V 4V 
  • negative -7V -6V -3V

I also found a small battery or USB powered version that would mount easily on a stand next to your turntable but apparently this also should only be used for a short time.  
maybe an ionizer isn’t a good device to use for records?  I’d love to hear what others think.  I was just hoping to find an inexpensive alternative to these expensive devices. 
 

In that device, what keeps the positive and negative ions in the air flow from combining with each other before excess charge of either polarity that may reside on the target can be neutralized?

I’ve been interested in finding an inexpensive answer for the static issue with records.  I have an original Discwasher desist gun which a slow process and a hassle.  I was looking at these ionizing fans that are used for electronics.  “Ionizing Air Blower Fan Ion Anti-Static Elimination Ionizer”.  They’re cheap and I’m sure noisy but I was thinking of mounting it next to where I open the records and only turn it on while unsleeving the record.   Then hold the album under the destatic fan for a few seconds before putting it on the turntable.  Then turn it on again when putting the album away.  I do also use an anti static record cleaning turntable arm while playing the record which should keep static down while playing.  I thought of putting the anti static fan near the turntable to blow on the record but it’s not quite enough to use while playing music.  Or maybe that is a better spot to only use the fan while putting the record on then letting the ionizing fan run for a few seconds before starting to play the record.  If the Acaia Ion Beam would shoot the field out far enough that isn’t a bad investment to put right next to your turntable.  Then again I wonder how much noise it emits?

https://www.amazon.com/Anti-Static-Elimination-Commercial-Eliminator-45-110CFM/dp/B092PSNPMR/ref=m_pd_aw_sbs_sccl_1/143-4009767-0352634?pd_rd_w=mB0bY&content-id=amzn1.sym.f69f8dfb-6db4-48ed-9773-fc959de76f50&pf_rd_p=f69f8dfb-6db4-48ed-9773-fc959de76f50&pf_rd_r=SJXXAPCTSMP0NE44EXF2&pd_rd_wg=2gVlq&pd_rd_r=1277d08b-fe04-4e3a-ab8b-82bce0e4cf62&pd_rd_i=B092PSNPMR&psc=1

Another vote for Destat III. I will use an anti static brush after using the Destat. The Destat removes the static that causes dust to adhere to the vinyl.   I’ve noticed that there is almost no buildup of dust particles on the cartridge surface since using this method. Also greatly reduces the pops when playing whether they were caused by static or particles on the vinyl. For me it’s been a win win. 

Anyone heard of using, or uses, a Plasma lighter? An acquaintance uses one and likes it.

He said: " I just ordered a $10 plasma lighter off Amazon for static control, apparently it works as well as / better than a Furutech DeStat / Milty Zerostat for pennies on the dollar + way cooler to use"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoYOkoZS3DQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQy2aywt7_M

Poor man's CS Port IME-1/DS Audio Ion-001?

https://dailycoffeenews.com/2023/04/13/acaia-unveiling-a-grinder-static-neutralizer-called-the-ion-beam/

As the article states, this product will be introduced next week at a coffee makers show in Oregon. To sell for $150.  Since vinyl is said to accumulate electrons and thus to develop a negative charge on the surface of an LP, I wonder why the DS Audio is designed to secrete both positive and negative ions.  Seems you could get by with only positive ions (to neutralize negative charge on the LP).  My brief attempt to research the subject of ion generators suggests that positive ion generators also make negative ions, en passant.  And there are very few such products on the commercial market.  Whereas one can buy negative ion generators by the boatload and for low to high dollars. for room air cleanup.

If I were to purchase the item described above, I would point the positive ion emitting end at the LP surface during play.  The design would seem to permit that.

 

i own three turntables, and own -2- CS Port IME1’s and a single DS Audio ion-001.

so one for each turntable.

the advantages of the stand mounted version is continuous emitting of negative ions to reduce static and lower noise. and you turn them on and they are passive. just play records.

the only challenge is finding a spot on your plinth or rack to set them in proper proximity so you get full effectiveness. which is why i own 2 different types.

hand held products such as the Destat III provide temporary improvement, less than a full side (5 to 10 minutes). and require a pre-treatment process for every side you play. that will get old quickly. i have three or four older versions of the Destat III in my tweak drawer gathering dust. then it’s a door stop, effectively.

cheap tweaks you never use are expensive.

better tweaks you really use and make the music sound better every time are priceless.

Destat III works well for me too.  Wouldn't be without mine.  I am speculating that if more static is building up in just minutes that something might be done to improve grounding.

Bigtwin not really the same, I've borrowed a Destat III and I'll admit it worked for maybe 5 minutes the effect quickly wears off. The other 2 static eliminators continously throw out those neg ions while your LP is spinning although at a significant cost.

There is also the Furutech Destat lll   

https://www.monoandstereo.com/2022/10/furutech-destat-iii-review.html

If someone has already spent $5K - $15K on the TT, the $350 price of the Furutech is only pocket change?