Vintage Japanese DD Consult and Suggestions Please


A little over five years ago, I worked with Chris Harban at Woodsong Audio to craft a bespoke Garrard 301 for me and my my vinyl collection. I had previously had a Dual of some model followed by a Thorens TD 160 with a nice Ortofon Black MM cart. The 301 was completely restored featuring a heavy mahogany plinth, Ortofon AS 309S tonearm, and Ortofon SPU head. I have completely blown away with how this table has sounded and looked. The sound was huge, rich, and detailed...everything that I heard that idle drives from this era should sound.

Unfortunately, some family health matters have forced me to liquidate some much revered audio gear, and recently placed my Garrard 301 up for sale. I do not wish to be without a way to continue to enjoy my collection and would somehow like to come as close to the performance of the 301 for around $2500 or so. 

My considerations (thus far)for this change are as follows,

Denon DP80

Technics SP10 Mk 2 or 3

Technics SL 1000 Mk 2

Luxman PD 444

As you can see, I am curious about the more vintage looks and sound of the direct drives coming out of Japan, and am hoping to glean from this audience which of these units may provide me with the same (or as close to)level of enjoyment that my 301 has done. Thoughts on tonearm and MC cartridges pairings with each would be helpful.

I am not really considering anything belt driven at this time for whatever reason, or a deck that veers away from a traditional turntable aesthetic.

If it helps, the rest of the signal chain is as follows.

Aric Audio Motherlode preamp

Manley Steelhead phono pre

Aric Audio Transcend EL 34 push/pull amp

Klipsch Forte iv speakers.

 

I am grateful in advance for your thoughts on this matter.

 

 

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The Link was to only show the product with a guideline price.

The Brand Itself can be investigated through the Company Website, their is a vast range of Colours Produced which I am sure will widen the appeal for the material type. The Company if contacted, may be able to offer a delivery or show where the distributors are, increasing the likelihood the Material in a desirable colour and Dimension can be acquired.

It is a chore today to source these types of materials in small volume without incurring too much cost.

My Last purchase was a 2000mm x 1000mm x 25mm Panzerholz Board brought in from Germany, which was plenty enough for 10 x Plinth Blanks or Sub Plinths.

This was dropped of at a Depot, and I had a 200 Mile round trip to retrieve it plus the cutting fee for producing the 10 x Blanks.

All in I was not north of £100 per blank. 

I could have went with a different approach, but paid up to 300% more per Blank Dimension as the minimum uplift in price.

I also could have profiteered, but have not made one penny whilst assisting others have the experience of Panzerholz used in their audio systems. It is interesting that the materials that have been acquired very fair priced by the inquisitive individuals assisted. Where a plinth produced in this material for the TT’s selected, will sell on very very quickly. With the outcome to date, the assisted who are now advocates, still remain with their P’holz Designs and speedily make it known, using P'holz has offered something that gives the impression using it, creates the best Vinyl Set Up to date in their own systems.

Others with a different approach, prefer to charge significant monies to enable another to buy into to the experience of using a Resin Impregnated Densified Wood Board.

Taiko was the first I become aware of who were to attach a Substantial Uplift in price for the material type (Panzerholz), with their DAIZA Sub Plinth. Approx’ £900 added to the base material for a Fibonacci CNC produced pattern.    

Linn has excelled further in showing what a Uplift in price for this material type (Resin Impregnated Densified Wood Board) can attain, I’ve got approx’ £7000+ to CNC shape the Peripheral for the LP12 TT, maybe they used the likes of Clearaudio as a means to gauge a price in the Market Place.

I wonder what Clearaudio attaches as the Uplift in Value for their usage of the material (Panzerholz). They use 2 Different Board Thicknesses and can use up to 4 x Tiers of the Board. 

For all producers, not limited to TT Producers only, who have become adopters of using a material type, being a Resin Impregnated Densified Wood Board, "It is not a Gimmick" , it brings something quite attractive to the influence on the end sound.              

So the excellent birch plywood used to make plinths has lost its "appeal" and has fallen to the bottom of the list of interesting things for  "good sound"?

Materials used for a role in audio can be discussed endlessly, as individuals only know what they know from their experiences of a particular material being used in conjunction with a unique support structure, as well as a quite unique environment.

Is there really a wide interest within Audio Equipment users to take on the interest in getting a betterment from a Support Structure for the System and devices used in the system?  

Narrowing down on the materials that are available to be used as a support structure, especially honing in on the Analogue Source, if a Board Material such as a Birch Marine Ply has an attraction to be used, then why not use it. It is sound enough to be used as a Structure to be a Plinth for a TT or support for a TT.

If the sole objective for the Birch Marine Plywood is to be a structure able to support the TT as the Plinth or a Sub Plinth, then users are on to winner.

If other properties are sought in conjunction with the capability of being sound enough to be used as structure, then the investigation will extend beyond one type of Material only.

Keeping the subject around the Board as the Material, and using my own  experiences of different Board Types in use. Where different Board Types have been purposely selected to be used to support a TT's mechanical assembly and a Tonearm.

As an outcome, can influence individuals who have had the experiences, make decisions that deselect a commonly used material an make a decision that puts them at a place they are selecting a not too commonly selected materials.

It helps reinforce ones own choice for a material, when they discover others across many Countries, albeit DIY enthusiast or a Commercial entity, who share a similar interest, are being witnessed discarding older used methods and are making very similar decisions to ones own, for the adoption of using not too commonly selected materials.

In my own case, I relate to the above through my own adoption of a Resin Impregnated Densified Wood Board,  especially as the material used for Structures where Analogue Devices are the Topic for a rethink for their Design.

Making changes for myself is not with difficulty, I have been evolving in relation to material selection for close to 30 years, I am certainly attached to the following ways of thinking.                                                                                                          When those with a shared interest on a TT's function moved on from their accepting as the only choices, Leaking Bearing Housings, Sintered Bronze, Steel Balls and Metal Thrust Pads and Metal Platters. There was an applause across the Globe and there are numerous cases reported Globally over the past 25 - 30 years of those adopting the changes, where the positives of the changes having been made stand out for the betterment created.

My experiences are not too many, but enough have been had, to allow myself to state, that a Densified Wood used in conjunction with an old and not too fettled TT, has the properties that are ideal for tidying up audibly what is present due to the TT's foibles. The TT used with a Densified Wood, certainly surpasses what was the end sound as a result of being mounted on an original design plinth. 

When it comes to a fettled TT, an original plinth in use, has proven to destroy the values added through overhauling the TT's Mechanical Interfaces and in the case of the DD TT, the Electrics. The use of the overhauled TT in conjunction with materials such as Resin, Lead Topped Board and Board Materials used in the Vintage Plinths, from my assessment from experiencing them in use, are noted for their negative impact on the end sound. Each type is difficult to recommend when alternative materials experienced in use have made a much improved impression., With the outcome being from alternative materials used, that Densified Wood Board has been the most attractive when experienced.

When using an overhauled TT to the condition achieved above. Such a TT being used in conjunction with Densified Wood as the Support Structure, produces to my own assessment, an end sound that is easily perceivable for the improvement. There is discernible sound being produced that can easily be described as having become more than the sum of the parts. 

Did Linn discover a Night / Day improvement with their selection of a Densified Wood for the Bedroc Peripheral Design for the LP 12 Plinth? I myself based on owned experiences doubt it.

I do suspect Linn has detected a change to the end sound that is perceived as a betterment to what has been the earlier option as a periphery on the TT's Plinth.

The discernible differences between the Bedroc and other versions being noticed  will be dependent on a variety of factors, especially the ambient environment and the overall structure used for supporting the TT. 

In relation to the Panzerholz used by myself at approx' £100 for a Plinth Blank and an equivalent dimension in Marine Plywood at approx' £12.

For myself the benefits of the P'holz being used at approx' £88 uplift as a cost is a no brainer. The qualities known from the usage of the material makes known off alternate board options obsolete.

Alternate Board materials are kept to be used to demo' to others the differences that occur to the sound across the use of the different Board Materials. There are Plinths available in a Birch Marine Plywood @ 700Kg / m3 - Compressed MU 25 Plywood @ 950Kg / m3 and Densified Wood @ 1400Kg / m3. Not anybody who have been given a demo' have needed an extended period to decide on where the ideal choice lays. The lesser weight boards are to date the rejected board, with favour shown for the heaviest board material.