Nah...my 3.6’s go 10hz lower and cost less than half. I’m sitting tight...for now.
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Guys-
I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!
Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!
Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
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Pair of 2.4SE’s (169/170) for sale from blarney: https://www.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-pickup-in-connecticut-2017-11-02-speakers Warren |
prof Finding the sweet spot seems elusive even for an experienced listener like you. I have experienced that listening to one genre of music things can sound spot on, then when listening to another like classical they aren't as focused. Being kind of slow and lazy it took me over a month before I moved the speakers toe-in 1/4" more in and seemed to have found the spot. My speakers are now aimed about 16" from each ear. I use classical because it is recorded with 2 microphones, mimicking sitting in the best position during a live concert . . I see that toe-in is a large part of speaker conversation , no right answer because I think that different music and music that has been recorded at different times and analog vs. digital recording means that there will always be compromise in finding the sweet spot. but knowing that 1/4" movement can make a large difference makes experimenting easy and free and rewarding. I agree with you about the looks of the 2.7s ,they are gorgeous the 3.7s kinda look like a skinny r2d2. Warren ans any other Rush fan out there I went to my local record store The House of Records ( it actually was a house ) looking for a 2112 album and or Gold cd and found Feedback, Wow fantastic covers by them from 2004, they didn't have the others . Friday and it's raining, good listening weather. Rob |
@linnlingo I'm still seeing the legacy speakers… https://shop.thielaudio.com/collections/legacy-speakers Warren |
nkonor, I appreciate your being my audiophile conscience :-) I certainly know what you mean about hearing something off with a set up, knowing that I would have sold the system that didn't have such faults. On the other hand, I also have other things to balance - room aesthetics and ergonomics, which provide constant, strong motivation to replace the 3.7s. I put a ridiculous amount of money and energy - 2 years - into the design and reno of that room so that it could accommodate both the new home theater system and 2 channel listening, in a way in which every element is ergonomically and aesthetically "perfect" for my goals. It's only when I introduced the big Thiels to the room that it was thrown off kilter. Originally I bought them with the plan that I'd move them in and out of the room, as I used to go through "2 channel listening phases" and "home theater phases." I've tried everything, making wheeled platforms, adding wheels to the speakers, using a dolly, adding sliding feet. Nothing truly makes them easy to get in and out of the room. And I've realized I listen to 2 channel so often that the only route that makes sense is to have permanent 2 channel speakers in there that stay, and which also look right. The 2.7s, in size and finish, suit that goal pretty much perfectly. When I look at the room with the 2.7s I swoon at how nice it looks. When the 3.7s are in there it's always a bit of a drop in my heart because they impede on the balance I sought so hard to construct. So, yes if I get rid of the 3.7s I will no doubt miss them on various pieces of music, or hear something in the 2.7s that were more perfect on the 3.7s. On the other hand, I have to weigh that against the even more constant visual/ergonomic frustration in keeping the 3.7s. Such is life... |
prof, Excellent, you have been giving both the 2.7s and 3.7s the attention they deserve to make your decision. Yes, The 2.7s might need the assist of a pair of subs to fulfill the full range that the 3.7s have. Good luck intergrating them. I will just remind you that as long as you have the 3.7s available. You will be tempted that the 2.7s will satisfy. About a month or two after you let them go; you will hear that one note, one passage that goes; blah. I know this is a hard decision. You have taken your time. Work the problem and make sure of long term satisfaction. Took me 4 Years to find my speaker. And I tried a 300lb sub ( Wilson speakers / Wilson sub); was amazing most of the time but every once in awhile; I would get that blah moment. Subs are a tricky thing. There are Systems that can help with sorting the subs out. Might be worth giving one of them a try with the subs. I am confident that you will sort everything out. Take your time. The chase is sometimes better than the end game. Best to You Norb |
nkonor, I will indeed watch that sale. I’m really liking the 2.7s. I hit a "sweet spot" in positioning them which gave me the best depth and tonality. Now they are getting more soundstage depth like the 3.7s. Tonally the sound is ravishing on the 2.7s - lush, transient clarity, sparkle on top, rich dark tones when appropriate in the lower mids, and an aliveness that even the 3.7s don’t quite do. There are many tracks that I actually like a bit better on the 2.7s, though also tracks that were better on the 3.7s. Sometimes I will miss the vastness of the 3.7s presentation that can just be hallucinatory. The 2.7s counter this with a greater sense of density in imaging - the way a bongo or a synth part will just ripple the air right in front of me. Centered vocals have a "thereness" that is like someone has rushed in and set up a center channel. In contrast to what we often hear "get the smaller speaker for the smaller room," the 2.7s have been more challenging to set up in getting the type of performance I was used to with the 3.7s. In fact they seem to have a warmth in the upper bass either due to design, or to interaction with my room (though my room is well treated). I’ve got it almost dialed out, but not totally. Most of the time, though, the bass is superb. Overall I’d still call the 3.7s the betters speaker - bigger, airier soundstage, richer/bigger sonic presentation and image sizes, more relaxed, slightly more resolving I think, and it seems perhaps the cabinet design and different rippled woofer of the 3.7s get the best out of the whole package - they just sound more perfectly realized in terms of completely disappearing as a sound source. But the 2.7s are so gorgeous sounding I may almost have been weened off the 3.7s. I’ve actually ordered a pair of JL Audio 110 subs. I usually HATE subwoofers, but I want to see if I can integrate them to give some more bass reach and weight to the 2.7s, and if that happens I will likely sell my 3.7s. |
margmike When Rob ( from Thiel ) e-mailed me about questions regarding upgrading my 2.7s similar to the upgrade of the 2.4 to a 2.4SE he informed me that it was more than upgraded capacitors, they re-engineered the values . Warren I've decided that Rush's 2112 will be my one and only Rush album, it fits more in with ELP and Yes from the time period, both of whom I saw back in the 70's. My favorite autographed was Cat Woman Julie Numar , what happened to your system views ? |
jonandfamily, I did not notice the dent until you pointed it out. Should be a point of negotiation. marqmike - Per Rob ; Is it an easy swap out to fix? I did not know that it was a passive radiator. Info here might help a potential buyer. Are the binding posts on the back or bottom of the Speaker? Otherwise, they look in good shape. If I were to buy; I would try to negotiate for a full set of replacement drivers to be included or price reduced for the same. Best to whoever gets this pair. |
Thanks Jafant Yes damaged in freight. The previous owner had no problem that I encountered with the driver. When I got them the next day I hooked them up and that driver was cutting in and out. When it was on it had a static sound. I called Rob and the lady answered took my message. The next day I got an email from Rob suggesting what was wrong and what he could do. Very professional treatment be those two. Thanks for the name to contact. |
Good to see you -marqmike was the driver damaged during transit? Mr. Gillum will take very good care of you. As far as contacting David Garrettson, send him an email and he can give you the various options related to the CS 2.4 crossover. Keep me posted on the driver rebuild/return back to you from Thiel customer service. Happy Listening! |
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I got my 2.4’s about three weeks ago. One lower frequency driver is being sent off to Rob for rebuild. While those speakers are getting a vacation I thought I could do some upgrades if any are available. Could you tell me about any. I think it has been mentioned that you can change some capacitors to something like the SE model has. And DGarretson has been mentioned about that if I remember right. Could you please give any particulars on how I could go about that route. Also is there any other mods that are completely worthy of doing for that speaker. Is any other components on the crossovers, or wool fiber fill, internal wiring a notable upgrade. If it is not a notable upgrade I am not interested, I don’t want to just make a side ward move just changing the sound. It makes sense I got Thiel speakers for the Thiel sound, so not to smart of me to change that. If there is not a considerable improvement on a mod I will just concern myself with ancillary items. Thank you for any suggestions freinds. |
Hmmm...I take it people are aware that in some blind listening tests the listeners were unable to distinguish between high end cable and some coat hangers. https://gizmodo.com/363154/audiophile-deathmatch-monster-cables-vs-a-coat-hanger Just be careful out there, its a jungle. |
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/monitors-thiel-audio-cs-3-7-2017-10-24-speakers Asking price a little steep for my budget. |
I looked at the pictures of your room ,Thanks Rob. There are autographs that go all the way upstairs that you don't see. My personal favourite is Permanent Waves (PW), with Moving Pictures a close second. Most of my LPs are the Anthem ones, and I've duplicated a number of them with the new 180g versions that came out this past year (Abby Road remasters?). I can't say I'm particularly impressed, but the vinyl is clean. I also have a copy of the Mobile Fidelity Labs' remastering of PW which I listen to often. I don't think I've heard a Mercury pressing. Probably the most unique one I have is Archives, which has a printing faux-pas of Bruce Springsteen's Born to Run as the inner gatefold. Looking at the compilation albums (of which I have none), I would probably go with either Chronicles or Gold. Cheers, Warren |
In spite of my appreciation for BAT, I still believe that Pass Labs is one of, if not the best matches for Thiel. I just received my Reno Hifi 2018 calendar which also included a new Pass Brochure and I’m so...grrrr. We’re I a wealthier man... But another point is that used Pass, like Thiel, represent true audiophile bargains for folks like me-self. I keep looking... |
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i never imagine parasound will do this great with thiel . any of u using parasound ? i currently using bryston 7bst at this moment .I use a Parasound A52 5-ch. amp to power 4 PSB Imagine Minis (surrounds) and a Thiel MCS1 (centre). As for the blown tweeter (again), if you've fried the voice coil, that sounds like a clipping problem in the amp—if I understand the physics correctly. I had the simular problem with the center stage , I had a very insightful workshop with Pierre, on right-hand guitar technique, decades ago. To me, Rush only sounded good (particularly the drums) when Terry Brown was producing. Basically, anything before Signals (1982). The tweeters are pointing ~30 inches outside each ear, so maybe ~5-10 degrees toe-in? Cannot be bothered to do the trigonometry. I started from the Cardas' room node formula and adjusted from there. I could incorporate the near field equilateral triangle as well, and move the seating closer, but then I'd be sitting too close to the projection screen (120" wide). Everything's a compromise. Cheers, Warren |
hi thiel owners . i just try a parasound hca3500 with my thiel cs6 . the result was quite good . high was detail and laid back , mid was thick , and especially the low was crazy as hell . i never imagine parasound will do this great with thiel . any of u using parasound ? i currently using bryston 7bst at this moment . by the way i blown my mcs1 tweeter again . thinking not to do it at thiel because it just contiune to blown .sad....... regards |