Pretty quiet in here tonight, no silly posts but I guess it is early yet...lol
The new Synergistic Research BLUE fuses ....
New SR BLUE fuse thread ...
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
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Here we go the same "awesome foursome" we'll have the full gamut soon. Just get SR to back you guys, and if they did back you guys up personally with the same sound quality and directionalality improvement claims made here, it would certainly give their product the credibility it sorely needs, instead of leaving it to a bunch no-bodies to man the credibility boat. Cheers George |
^^^ Its not me. I don’t report the posts of others. I think the Mods are keeping a close eye on this thread. Again, I encourage everyone to treat fellow members with respect. _________________________________________________________ A lot of talk has been forthcoming from a few naysayers about double blind tests. Those of us who are using various tweaks such as SR fuses, SR HFT’s, Herbie’s tube dampeners and Tim Mrock’s "Total Contact," need no double blind tests. We can clearly hear the improvements each of the above tweaks provide. At this point the transparency and musical presentation of my system is FAR beyond where it was two years ago when I got serious about tweaking the system. Its FAR beyond where I ever thought it could be. And ... this is without changing any equipment at all, other than Grover’s CD player that replaced my now defunct ARC CD player. And finally ... rest assured, the fuse sales are going just dandy .... and so is Tim's TC. :-) Frank |
I didn’t want to go there, on account of my posts in this thread are deleted for really no good/legitimate reason.Get in touch with admin, and in my case I asked it wasn't against forum rules. They, said could have been by mistake, regardless they've restored it. They said they would look into it. Cheers George |
gdhalSame was happened to me on a couple, get in touch with admin as I did and ask why. They got back to me and restored mine and said one of the mods was a little trigger happy, and their looking into it. Maybe he was a "fuser" I said back. Cheers George |
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maplegrovemusic813 posts04-15-2018 6:40amIt is labor intensive to roll the synergistic sticker onto a fuse . $148 profit each time they put the sticker on . Cha Ching ,Cha Ching . Printing money !Yeah, that's about the gist of it. Cheers George |
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oregonpapa - ...the naysayers are trying to convince the believers...First, great job on correcting geoffkait. I didn’t want to go there, on account of my posts in this thread are deleted for really no good/legitimate reason. To your point though, I would humbly submit that the naysayers are trying to convey that there is no objective proof what-so-ever that a fuse makes any kind of difference. Any "convincing" is at best in the realm of subjectivity. oregonpapa - They tell us exactly what we can hear and what we can’t hear.And, as we’ve seen by the admission of proponents of said fuses, the "exactness" of what can and cannot be heard cannot reliably be demonstrated in *any* kind of blind testing. |
Regarding cost, my Schiit Loki was 150 bucks and has circuits and knobs and things and actually is an understandable and useful "made in U.S.A." item (and I don't care if anybody else buys one…I really don't)…what makes a fuse cost 150 bucks? Actually, we all know the answer to that one.You forgot Wolf, it also has a fuse that comes with it for $150 and works as good as as these "snake oil" ones for $150. Cheers George |
Again, nobody has answered the question of why and how these things do whatever fuse fans claim they do.Yes, we have, repeatedly. At least I feel it has most to do with better quality metals. those are merely opinions of whatever the listeners think they hear…and that's fine.Considering how an opinion is what is formed after an experience, how is that you can degrade it to something as belittling as merely? The same standard can be applied to the other side of this argument. I don't need to have a manufacturer divulge their proprietary formulas for these things beyond what they've already said (graphene coatings, tesla coil bombing, quantum baloney)But you just did at the start of your post. Well, I know what I heard using my ears, a level meter, digital recording for waveform and level comparison,Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the first I've heard of you using a digital recording for waveform and level comparison. What were your findings and how much did they differ? The waveform file that was mentioned earlier by another poster (with power conditioners) stated that the difference measured was small but when folded back in, the results were much better. not spending 150 bucks each to test these things as once was enough for me, even with a 30 day return windowI know this is a thread on SR Blue fuses but your not required to buy them as there are other, less expensive brands out there that can give similar, though not comparable results. It would still be better than a stock fuse. All the best, Nonoise |
Well, I know what I heard using my ears, a level meter, digital recording for waveform and level comparison, and blown SR fuse replacement due to a seeming lack of proper fuse rating, resulting in a conclusion that those fuses don’t enhance anything and are perhaps dangerous. …but all that was with SR Black fuses…maybe the Blue fuses are way better at letting current flow through the component or whatever they do, but I’m certainly not spending 150 bucks each to test these things as once was enough for me, even with a 30 day return window. Regarding cost, my Schiit Loki was 150 bucks and has circuits and knobs and things and actually is an understandable and useful "made in U.S.A." item (and I don't care if anybody else buys one…I really don't)…what makes a fuse cost 150 bucks? Actually, we all know the answer to that one. |
Wolf ... Why can't you be satisfied with the knowledge that not one person posting here knows HOW they improve sound? We can only guess at this point. Graphene? Quality wire? Ceramic tubes? Tesla Coil? One thing for sure ... Ted Denney isn't about to tell ya. :-) "A horse well beaten, is a horse well beaten." ____ Anonomous Frank |
Again, nobody has answered the question of why and how these things do whatever fuse fans claim they do. I read the claims of sonic improvement, and those are merely opinions of whatever the listeners think they hear…and that's fine. I don't need to have a manufacturer divulge their proprietary formulas for these things beyond what they've already said (graphene coatings, tesla coil bombing, quantum baloney), just a simple explanation of how they accomplish the "current polishing" or speed enhancement or proton greasing or something. Anything. |
georgehifi: There is no "dispute" George. The only ones disputing anything in this thread are you and a couple of others, most of whom (if any) have not tried the BLUE fuse in their own systems. Geoffkait: Nope ... the naysayers are trying to convince the believers. The believers are already enjoying what the SR Blue fuses have brought to their systems. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Early on, in one of the fuse threads ... or perhaps it was the TC thread, I posted about personality types. What we are seeing is a revealing of the worst traits of the engineering mentality, and that is fear of criticism. When their affliction borders on the edge of insanity, they just cannot be wrong. I think that accounts for the VERY FEW who just will not give it up. This is why they just cannot stay out of this thread without stirring the pot. If they can make the "believers" wrong, then it makes them correct. Take a look ... in spite of the thread being completely shut down, then restored by the Mods with a caution to keep the personal attacks out of the thread, and to keep it on topic, they still continue with their nonsense. That’s insanity, folks. Take a good look at them. They tell us exactly what we can hear and what we can’t hear. This without knowing to whom they speak or listening to our systems. They tell us how to spend our money and how not to spend our money. This without ever seeing our bank accounts. They cannot post without being vindictive and argumentative ... no matter how polite we are with our responses, and with how much respect they are treated with. The VAST success of SR Fuses, in spite of their nay-saying, is driving their slammed-shut minds even further down the rabbit hole. They just cannot figure out how a thin wire in a ceramic tube could improve sound. This, in spite of all of the good reports/reviews by their fellow A’goners. Go figure ... Frank |
None of this should be surprising. Businesses offer consumers many products that are marketed through a combination of technical analysis (with varying degrees of scientific validity) and emotionally oriented brand promises. The goal of these businesses is to sell products, not necessarily to "prove" that their products perform exactly as advertised. The higher the price of entry into a hobby (think exotic cars, swimming pools, boats, and of course stereo systems) the more money there is to be made from ancillary stuff. The performance metrics of some of this stuff are subjective and would be difficult to measure in order to definitively "prove" the level of performance. Therefore, the relationship between the advertised performance, the expected performance, and the actual performance is often subject to the perceptions of the purchaser. Arguing about it isn't going to change anything. |
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I can very easily say that after a couple of minutes of Google research, try it, you might learn something! Credibility? Just you and a couple more rattling round this thread? Give me a break please! You seriously overestimate your position or points of view in the grand scheme of things. Thanks for the laugh though. |
I would say they are quite satisfied with their sales so far so again why waste their time to come here to argue with you and err, wolfie??How can you say that, unless your employed by them? And if they did back you guys up with the same sound quality and directionalality improvement claims made here, it would certainly give their product the credibility it sorely needs, instead of leaving it to a bunch no-bodies to man the credibility boat. Cheers George |
If I was SR, I would take one look at the acrimonious exchanges occurring on this thread and run for the hills. Maybe you, but they're not you, they own the business, and any owner would protect it with legitimate verve and gusto, if not ducking for cover with tongue in cheek over some of the sound quality and directionalality improvement claims made here. Let them in their own words give these types of improvements that their $150 fuse can do over a good quality $2 fuse. Cheers George |
"Not just to me, to all, because every other manufacturer would if there some dispute about their product. " Again I would say not true at all. If I was SR, I would take one look at the acrimonious exchanges occurring on this thread and run for the hills. With the bitterness expressed here it surely would end up as doing more harm than good. They know I am sure that nothing short of goat and chicken sacrifices will appease some members here. |
As I said before if any product is discussed here on Audiogon and the manufacturer is a member, nearly 100% that member (manufacturer) will have something to say to back his product. Also just found they are advertisers here on Audiogon. So there's another reason to back the fusers transformation of sound quality beliefs. https://www.audiogon.com/brands/synergistic-research Cheers George |
George Not just to me, to all, because every other manufacturer would if there some dispute about their product. It would be great to hear what they say about the magical transformation of sound quality and the reason for it (not just hearsay from fusers). As I said before if any product is discussed here on Audiogon and the manufacturer is a member, nearly 100% that member (manufacturer) will have something to say to back his product. Cheers George |
George Why should SR have to come here to answer to you? I have no idea just WHERE you get your information from at all, I know full well that it is NOT the case that ALL manufacturers come to these forums to respond to threads about their products. SR may indeed have no clue this thread or even forum exists! Unless you have invited them and they have refused to comment, that would indeed be a whole different matter. |
nonoise - No, it wasn't done in a blind test. It was sighted. But as you already know, I don't subscribe to blind test parlor tricks, and I need to see what I'm doing when changing fuses. Understood. I consider myself forewarned. I also consider myself correct in that it would be impossible to hear a difference in a blind test. Nevertheless, I consider the matter essentially closed (between you and I) and remain appreciative that you answered my questions. Thank you. |