The Great DAC Mystery


 

This plethora of DAC’s phenomenon was such a mystery to me for 20 years. How can measurements be so incredible, yet many continue to prefer DACs that don’t measure so well. And almost everyone agrees they sound different (significantly in many cases). Why don’t the good ones sound the same. ASR are right in many ways - measured performance is important - but a pure focus on measured performance is completely wrong in my experience (using my ears). And here is my explanation of why!

Finally I believe I have stumbled upon a huge part of the problem with DAC technology. Of course it all stems from the inadequacy of measurements and even the technical instruments (audio precision) used to conduct those measurements - this is all at the root of why measurements are failing to be a reliable tool to select a DAC. There’s more though - if you read on please consider my reasoning and give my solutions a try - you may be surprised at the audible improvements that can be easily obtained.

There are a few things that hint at the problem of playing Redbook 44.1 source music:

1) R-2R DACs - why the resurgence?

2) Vinyl resurgence


3) The brick wall vs smooth, linear vs minimum phase debate: M-scaler, HQ player, FPGA XIlNIX proprietary programming, a plethora of filters.

4) HQplayer, PGGB and precursors like SACD - why is DSD still around and why do some people prefer it to PCM?

 

First let’s recognize that: All of these things can’t possibly be just coincidence!

 

So what is the underlying ROOT CAUSE:

Passband Ripple (‘equiripple’ to be precise)

1) All DAC’s are basically Sigma Delta DACs (which make up 99.99% apart from the recent handful but growing number of audiophiles with R-2R DAC’s). These Sigma Delta DACs ALL rely on upsampling to work - the final conversion is 1 bit or parallel 1 bit converters.

2) All upsampling DAC’s will take Redbook 44.1 (the vast amount of available music is in this format) and upsample (usually 8x initially but often higher) using short tap filters with low latency that have excellent specs but universally create a tiny but non-negligible passband sinusoidal ripple (it isn’t supposed to be audible).

MATH FACT: A sinusoidal ripple in the passband (what range of audio frequencies are presented to the listener) is equivalent to a pre and post-echo in the time domain (the signal you hear coming out the speakers)

The MANIFESTATION: Digital glare, harshness and a poor soundstage (the harshness is sometimes confused with accuracy - it is actually distortion - but not distortion that you can measure with an analyzer, as it is just like a reflection - it contains a reflection of the entire audio signal displaced in time at low amplitude ). Types of filters will have different forms of passband ripple - these lead to slight differences in the distortion (pre and post-echoes can occur at different times before and after the true audio signal - some time differences being more audible than others).

The SOLUTION:

There are three options

1)NOS with an R-2R DAC (can still suffer from aliasing which can create IMD in passband and the final filter can also create passband ripple)

2) upsample using a PC at such very high precision as to reduce passband ripple to inaudible levels (upsample can be to PCM or DSD but it might as a well be DSD as most DAC’s convert PCM to DSD anyway, only an R-2R DAC would be best fed upsampled PCM)

3) Vinyl - for the most part vinyl does not suffer from these issues at all but of course you get pops, cracks, surface noise, less channel separation, variability of pressing quality, and, if competing with digital; the need for very high end TT, phono-pre, cartridge, careful setup etc.

 

Anyway, please read carefully and think about the above with an open mind. Passband ripple is the elephant in the room that nobody talks about. Remember that very little if any testing has been done on our ability to hear pre-echoes however, anecdotally, all speaker builders recognize that a sharp baffle edge causes edge diffraction which is recognized as being audibly detrimental to the sound (and affects stereo imaging) Hence all the narrow speakers and exotic attempts to keep midrange and tweeter baffle width very small (think of all those countless big highly regarded audiophile three ways that are big on the bottom but narrow at the top)

It’s been a while, I thought I’d share this. No need to argue about this. I will offer clarifications but those who don’t get it or buy any of this will just miss an opportunity for better sound - I’d rather not argue with you. And, for those who will conflate pre-echo or post-echo with pre-ringing or post-ringing - I am NOT talking about ringing at all - the echoes I refer to are complete true echoes of the entire audio signal - equivalent to and analogous to a reflection off a wall.

 

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I found satisfaction is a digital DAC masquerading as an integrated with no off the shelf DAC modules from any of the makes out there. What's up with that? 

All the best,
Nonoise

Who says that measurements have to perfect for a DAC to sound great? There’re never any absolutes in high end audio, and you’ll just rack your brain trying to figure it all out. Personally, I never gave a damn about measurements. Happy listening.

@shadorne Based on my very limited knowledge of D/A conversion, I can’t decide if you’re a genius or a kook. I do believe that the quality of the DC power supply and the nature/quality of the analog output section both have a significant influence on the quality of the sound delivered by any particular external or internal DAC. If external, then the quality/nature of the interconnects (cables) and interfaces (USB, SPDIF [in both optical and coaxial {RCA and BNC} renditions], as well as AES/EBU) must be considered. As an end user, not an engineer (as you seem to be), I can only judge the quality of the conversion by (1) what I hear (2) in my system. I have to get my critical listening ears on to hear significant differences between the dual Burr-Brown, AKM, and SABRE DAC chips in my current inventory. As soon as I start listening to the music, any distortions I might have heard disappear: I am transported.
I really don’t understand all the fuss about DAC technology, they all sound pretty good to me, but then I haven’t dropped $10,000 USD on a DAC yet, although I’ve spent close to that amount on preamplifiers.

Just a comment on measurements. I heard a one off custom set of speakers that were wonderful. The designer was very technical. And always looking for correlation between any measurements and what's heard I asked him how he used measurements in his design process. His answer was to eliminate errors, things that are obviously wrong as measurements show. The rest he did with his ears over long time periods.

I listened to several DACs between $1500 and $5500 /$6k and left with the LAB 12 DAC1 Ref.   To me it was exactly what I was looking for.   It was a little more than my budget but I wanted to avoid a lateral move from my RME.   

That's not to say the Merason Freot wasn't good, it was.   The Bricasti was excellent too but at $3200 the LAB12 was more my budget. 

After 2 years I still really like this DAC.   It is so nicely balanced in MY system, complements my system perfectly.  It would take an in home audition that blows me away to even think about changing out that DAC. 

 

 

     

 

It's all in the D to A converter/amp. They are all different in implementation.

Music is audio. The only important criteria is what sounds good. To you.

Measurements can not be heard. 

Wallow in the 70's at your own peril.

How can measurements be so incredible, yet many continue to prefer DACs that don’t measure so well. 

I'd guess it's because ears, rooms, brains, and gear are not the same as mics and measuring equipment, and isolated chambers. Unless you live where the measurements were taken, they will likely bear little resemblance to what you actually hear in your environment. That's why I pay little or no attention to measurements; nothing to do with me. 

You're overthinking it. Just find one that sounds good to you and enjoy it.