Tekton Double Impacts

Walter, I was wondering how things were going for you.  Glad to hear you are having fun.  Will welcome further thoughts. Do you have any SS gear?  Would be interested in any comparisons there as well.  I'm sure your 805 has plenty power for the the DI's.

Mac, that was quick.  Excited for you and look forward to your thoughts!

@waltersalas  Walter, that's just terrific to hear!

In addition to varied music, I would add that you may be surprised if you rotate through some components, etc. Keep us posted on your adventures.

Mac,

I would say that was fast on the MZ2,Let us know how that 1 watt works for you.

I've been looking for a new pre and I have narrowed it down to 2,
ps audio's Bhk and the MZ2.I want a pre that has a headphone amp for the occasional use of headphones.

I hope you enjoy your new toy when you get it.

Kenny.

Just recieved an email saying my LTA MZ2 is shipping today.......just a week and a half after ordering. I know how I'll be spending much of the holiday weekend! I think I'll drive the DI's with the MZ this weekend to see what one watt can do with them. 

Walter,

Glad to hear you're enjoying the DI's, they put a smile on my face every time I listen to them. I'm thinking you're experiencing a similar comparison with your Daedelus as I did with the Legacy Focus SE. Basically the DI's did everything the Legacys could with the addition of the element of fun........air moving, ground shaking dynamic slam. The Legacys went low, but lacked the mid bass power the DI's excell in. The DI's can be great rock and roll party animals but have all the delicate detail and finesse one could want. 

Can you imagine what the Ulfberhts sound like? Scary good I bet. As intriguing as the Ulfberhts are, I'm fine sticking with the DI's.

Thanks, Kenny. I am indeed having a blast with these speakers. I have had audiophile speakers that sounded great with audiophile music, but completely inadequate with good old fashioned rock and roll music and other "mortal" recordings. Now, the Daedalus speakers are dynamic and can rock, but I do not believe that they have the grunt, pressurize the room,  or convey quite the "impact" of the Double Impacts. I never quite felt like I HAD to have a sub with the Ulysses, but now that I have had the Double Impacts for a couple of weeks, I can see--no, I can FEEL--what I have been missing.

There are other areas that await a more intensive comparison, but it is fair to say that I am duly impressed with these speakers and applaud Eric Alexander for creating them, and teajay and others here for bringing them to our attention.

I will post more impressions later in the week when I have swapped them out.

Walter,

Sounds too me like you are having fun and listening to some good music.Keep us posted on your results.

Kenny.

Greetings, all.
I have now had the Double Impacts for a couple of weeks and have between 50-60 hours on them. Speaking of Line Magnetic amps, I am driving my DIs with the 508ia integrated and can report without reservations that it is a spectacular match. At 48 watts, this thing is a powerhouse, which can really come in handy on some kinds of music or for some listening tastes, but it lacks nothing in finesse and musicality played at lower volumes. Just phenomenal with all kinds of music, which is also how I would describe the Double Impacts!

I have not yet put back in my Daedalus speakers for a direct comparison, though I have used them for so long that I do have some impressions of some key differences between the speakers (as well as some similarities) that only need to be confirmed by putting them back in. Should make for an interesting weekend.

Hey Guys,

I have professionally reviewed and owned gear from both Melody and Audio Space and can share that each company has very high standards when it comes to the quality of parts, innovative design, and build.

The Melody AN-300B was my reference for a period of time and I also had Audio Space's 300B PP mono-blocks in my second system which were great.  So, I'm sure that the Audio Space 300B integrated amp would be a winner too.  

I have never had in house a Line Magnetic amplifier, however I'm using their tube based and tube rectified redbook DAC in my second system and find it to be a great performer.    

Haven't heard one but what about an Audio Space Reference 3.1 300B integrated?

Corelli,
Although I am a devotee when it comes to SET amplification I still contend that overall quality of design,  built and implementation are crucial.  I could be very happy with a well executed DHT push pull amplifier.  I do not doubt that the Melody AN 300b push pull is as good as teajay says it is. 

It'd be fun to directly compare the Melody AN  300b PP and their 211 SET  and note how they differ. 
Charles 

Thanks to everyone for your thoughts.  I appreciate what you are saying Charles.  The Melody AN300 may be a good example of this.  A push pull design no doubt is a big part of that but per teajay it still imparts many of many qualities we look for in a SET amp. 
I do  like what I see in the Melody and Line Magnetic gear.  Also I need to give a call on the LTA integrated that's in the works. 

Corelli,
I've only heard a few 211 tubed amplifiers but I 'don't say that Teajay summed up the basic differeween the 211 and 300b well. It does get a bit tricky because there are clear differences among the same genre of amplifiers.  Some 300b amplifiers are noticeably faster, more clear and transparent than others. Of course this hierarchy exists with all individual classes of amplifiers. 

333jeffery, 
Thanks for your reply,  it seems that the Carver will be your long term amplifier.  If it's 99 % of the NAT and easier to live with it seems the NAT has no advantages. 
Charles 

@corelli Maybe Mike @audioarchon can offer some suggestions and guidance.

Can't hurt to give the Melody a go. Sounds like it is on offer at a good price. Minimally, you will be able to get a feel for their build, quality, etc. and if it doesn't accomplish what you are looking for, you know the drill. : )

The melody 211 would be a good choice. It is a little faster than the 300b amplifier. I still want to hear the famed Ongaku which is a 211 based integrated.

david_ten

Interesting. I originally checked out the 2A3 (astro22) but it is no longer imported. 

I am looking for an integrated tube amp that complements my SS marantz gear.

My priorities:
--BIG 3D soundtage with air about performers/instruments
--tone, color
--need to maintain some speed/transient abilities--no maple syrup please.
--I can give up deep bass, but not top end extension

appreciate the input!

@corelli - I owned the Melody 2A3 integrated and was very happy with it. I cannot comment directly on the AN211.

Realize you are not looking at their 845, but as @teajay has pointed out, I also moved away from 845 based amps..

My personal choice, per my preferences would be their 300B followed by the 2A3. Caveat being that I have not heard the 211 and of course do not know your goals and desires in these matters.

All the best with your choice. Looking forward to hearing how it works out, especially if you go with the 211.

Charles, as much as I liked the NAT amps and their crystal clarity of sound, the Carver 350's are a lot easier to live with. The Carvers run cool, are very quiet, super easy on the tubes, and give me 99% of the great sound of the NAT's. Plus, they have superior bass over the NAT's.

Hey corelli,

The Melody AN-211 is a great amp, both on it's sound and build quality.  However, I'm more a 300B fan then 211 based amplifiers.  However, if you want a little less romance/color -meat on the bones and more quickness/speed, but still very musical, I can see the Melody AN-211 kicking butt on the DI's.  As I stated a couple of days ago I'm enchanted with the combo of the LTA Micro-ZOTL and a very inexpensive 2A3 based amp on the DI's.  

Finally, my least favorite Triode tube is the 845 because it sounds like great solid state to me, therefore why not just use a solid state amplifier at that point.  

I have a Yggy and Bimby and can barely tell a difference.

Question for Charles, Teajay, or any others with direct insight.

Have an opportunity to pick up a Melody integrated, the AN211 at about half retail.  Seems like it would have plenty of power for the DI's.  From  what I have read seems to be a very nice amp.  Any downsides to the 211 tube I ought to be aware of?  Are there any safety concerns relative to the high voltages the 211/845/805 power tubes employ? (aside from the kids, pets, burning down the house stuff).

Teajay, you really loved the AN300.  Have you ever heard the AN211?

Thanks guys.

Hi mdlofnwhr - We tested with the Lumin M1 integrated amp/network player (class D amp).  I went in with low expectations, but was a bit shocked at how good the results were (which is always nice).  I would give the DI's a try with a class D amp...you may be surprised also. 

Mike
Audio Archon - dealer

@mofojo 

Definitely, definitely the Yggdrasil over the Gungnir.

@craigl59:

- thanks for your answer on the REW graphs wrt DACs.

+1 re. @333jeffery 's nod for the Schiit Yggdrasil...it's what has been on the front end of my system for some time now.

+1 re @klh007  re. the Exogal Comet. I've used it to drive the DIs, with very good results. In it's Comet Plus - Ion combination form.

Hello 333jeffrey, 
As an all around all things considered amplifier which do you prefer with the DI,  The Carver Crimson or the NAT Audio?
Charles 

Mofojo, the Yggy has a better sound than the Gungnir. I compared the two of them side by side in my system, and the Yggy was clearer and more natural sounding. If you leave the Yggy on all the time, which is recommended by Schiit, it sounds truly awesome. It does not have a remote though, so you need to run it through a preamp.

333Jeffrey,
I am right on the edge of ordering a Schiit DAC. Did you like the Yaggy better than the Gumby?
Also what other DACs did you compare with? Right now have a Wyred4Sound DAC-2. 

I'm in Gilbert. 

craigl59, The Comet Plus DAC from Exogal was designed to drive amps directly and uses a variation of the Wadia digital volume control using a small remote, or an app for your smartphone.

Thanks, 333jeffrey. Do either of them have a remote? Would prefer to run the monoblocks directly off the DAC.

Craigl59, the best dac's I've come across are the Schiit Yggdrasil and Gungnir multibit. They sound superb through the Double Impacts.
And, in a few weeks, through the Ulfberhts....

Also, a correction from two posts ago. Had a thought that kept pinging me ... so I looked into it. The NAD M27 is Hypex based, though NAD does add a few ’tweaks’ to the nCore technology.

To reiterate: The Moon and SST amps are Class A / B.  The Exogal Ion proprietary Class D.

@craigl59:  Can you explain what you mean by " Am finding that the DAC chosen makes a tremendous difference in frequency response, more so than I would have thought."?

Thanks.

- David.

Just got a set of Double Impacts and am breaking them in and doing a variety of fine tunings. Have done REW checks on frequency response and find they are perfectly fine here although my living room is not particularly flat. Am finding that the DAC chosen makes a tremendous difference in frequency response, more so than I would have thought. Perhaps this is because of the surrounding electronics? Am getting the best results with a studio device, a RME UFX. But this is only temporary as it does not have wireless remote. For amplification am using Emotiva monoblocks in class A and they sound superb. There is a bewildering number of DACs out there and would like to get one with very accurate balanced outputs around $1k. Has anyone here heard the Chinese Gustard 20? It seems, like the DIs, to hit above its weight. Thanks for the response.

What city are you in?

Hi, does anyone here in Arizona own a pair of DI I can audition? I’m willing to bring wine or beer. Btw, I too am curious to know anyone who has used Class D like BC REF600m with DI?

mdlofnwhr, Please don't forget the LTA tube gear, the 40w amp would pair well with a HT processor, runs cool and the cage covers it all, lightweight to boot, and really sounds great (allowing emotion, color, and openness most SS gear cannot deliver).

mdlofnwhr, I’m glad you’re going with the DIs. I love a good SET Tube Amplifier, but I’m biased in my opinion. (tube humor) I have ordered a pair of Nord Acoustic nforce hypex based 400w monos for a client’s install and I’m sort of kicking myself for not having them delivered to my address instead of at his just so I could have auditioned them with the DIs prior to setting them up for him on a pair of klipsch I recently sold him. What brand were you considering? I felt like Nord offered a great product for the money, but I’m curious if you decided on a different brand. If I was going with an amp other than a SET tube amplifier, a great Ncore Class D would be in my short list. Good luck with your system! Let us know how things are going!

I plan on starting a home theater system from scratch, and the reviews on the DIs are so good (and they fall within my budget) that I have settled on them. I don't know that tube amps are what I am interested in for various reasons including having young children, however the reviews I have read regarding the Hypex nCore based amps make them sound like a good alternative to a tube amp.

So I am thinking that, for the moment, I would start with the DIs, a Hypex nCore amp, and use my computer as the source to the amp. Then add piece by piece as finances allow.

@mdlofnwhr:

+1 on @kdude66 's point on versatility and pairings.

I haven't heard of (or remember of) one amp from any of the Double Impact owners across various forums that has been problematic in terms of pairing with and driving the Double Impacts. 

No Hypex nCore (that I am aware of) in my units, but they are all solid state amps and have worked very well paired with the Double Impacts. NAD M27. Moon 330A. SST/W4S SoA mk2. Exogal Ion.

Mdlofnwhr,

Class d is all I have used with my di's,
nc400,bel canto ref600m,and red dragon s500 with outstanding results.The di's are very versatile you could use about any quality amp you would like.

I only have 1 tube amp left after years of using tubes,I have a Yamamoto a09 which is a 300b and I have a modwright kwa100se,I haven't tried either one with the DI's and the only reason I have kept them is I have way more money in upgrades in them then I could ever sale them for.

Kenny.

Has anybody run the DI with a Class D amp (using the Hypex nCore)? Would love to hear from you if you have.

@pbhotel:

-The Double Impacts ’sensitivity to equipment’ as you put it, is 100% on point.
-I was one of those (you mention) being surprised by the air ’being moved’ (and energy) of the mid drivers.

A lot of great info in your post. Thanks.

i have owned both the pendragons (4 ohm) and now have the DIs . . my thoughts are this - the DIs are a great speaker but much more sensitive to electronics and associated eqpt...the PGons less so...the PGons have a broader bigger soundstage while the DIs are tighter and better definition..it seems the PGons liked to be played louder but that may have been a function of less detail aslo....the low end tightness probably has to do with the crossover..etc..etc...the mids on the DI move alot of air...this will catch many off guard and may be a determent for some..the PGons at their price imo is a better value and left me shaking my head ..the DIs less so..looking back i could have been happy keeping the Pgons...it has taken a while to justify the added cost of the DIs and only have done so moving from solid state amp / preamp to a all tube integrated...its starting to come together but a bit mroe efforts required to get to the finish line...also the DIs are quite a bit more revealing than the PGons..overall Eric backs his products and i wouldnt hesitate to recommend his speakers....

@cmss2000: Thanks for sharing more about your reasons for moving in the direction you did. Are you still considering a possible replacement to your Dunlavys? If so, any prospects?

Mike, 

Just to clarify, the DI's are $3750 with upgrade package and custom paint, the DI SE at $6000 and the Ulfberhts at $12,000? Both the DI SE's and Ulfberhts come standard with all the upgrades including upgraded drivers and custom paint? That's one heck of a line up!

Hello all -

Just keeping everyone in the loop, the specifications for the Ulfbehrt are now available on the "PMD" section of the Tekton Design website.  

Eric/Tekton also shared that one pair of the Ulfberhts has been sold and they are ready to sell more!  

We are still waiting on the "new" tweeters for the Double Impact SE.  To re-confirm the DI-SE will be the model between the DI and the Ulfberht.

Thanks!
Mike

Audio Archon - dealer

Cmss,

I'm sorry to here the DI's didn't work out for you like you hoped they would and I wouldn't feel bad about it if I were you.
Speakers and amps are the most subjective components that we have in our systems and we just like what we like.

I wish you the best and happy listening to you.

Kenny.

Hello all,

It's not that I don't like the DI's. They are very, very good speakers and I do like them and if I didn't have my current speakers, I would definitely keep them.

As I mentioned before, my other speakers are Dunlavy SC-IV's. They are quite similar in layout in that they are D'appolito towers with two 10's, two 5.25 and a 1 inch tweeter in each one. I've listened to both pairs changing speaker location, electronics and media. 

The speakers to me, sound very similar. They are both great at coherence, imaging, soundstage, definition, flatness, etc. The DI's may even have a little better bass, but there is not enough of a difference to justify me spending the extra money. I was originally hoping they would just blow the Dunlavy's away, but they didn't. Maybe it's just me, maybe I can't hear as well as I used to, but it doesn't make sense for me to spend the extra cash for the same sound.

Still have not heard back from Eric on a return shipping label, so I guess I am going to have to ship on my own. I even offered to pay some or all of the shipping charges they incurred in sending the speakers to me if they would work with me, but I guess I'm on my own.