I just bought Synergistic Research's new Tesla Accelerator speaker cables and Tesla Vortec interconnects from The Cable Company. I have tried many demo cables from The Cable Company over the past year. These were the first to give me that WOW factor I been looking for so long.
Does anyone have these cables and can you please post your impressions and comments? Thanks.
Tvad and Splaskin, I have had them for well over a year. I don't even recall whether I sent Levitrons to them are they provided them. When I found a solution to my need for better cheaters I acted. I had no idea that they were going to actually do these although I told others with H-Cat about them.
Bacardi, much depends on what you hear with all ground loops removed from your system. On my H-Cat equipment putting them on all grounded units except the line stage makes a great difference. YMMV.
>>06-13-10: Tbg They are just Levitron cheaters that have been Quantum Tunneled. I had 7 of them done for my system, which requires that all but the line stage be ungrounded. They are far superior to the standard Levitron cheater.<<
Quantum tunneled cheater plugs.
LOL
What's next clever clocks and teleportation tweaks?
They are just Levitron cheaters that have been Quantum Tunneled. I had 7 of them done for my system, which requires that all but the line stage be ungrounded. They are far superior to the standard Levitron cheater. I tried a comparison of treated and untreated in all positions. One note tells you the difference.
Most definitely there is. The cells that I borrowed were just starting to come into their own when my time with them ran out. They were stunning in my system though!
Joe- I did not. My Apex cables are 12'. Even if they were only 6', it would seem like a step backwards. I've got a pretty special 32-bit 20 DACs/side APL DAC prototype that already takes the whole system up several notches, as well as a Powercell 10SE, Holgram PCs, Apex cables, etc., etc. I know there are worse problems to have.... :-)
Maybe I just need to keep listening....... I'm also wondering if there is a break-in period similar to the powercells?
Hi Flanner2010, Did you try comparing them connected to the Apex speaker cables and the Galileo Basik speaker cables that are included for free? What were the results? That goes the same for the Apex interconnects plus cells Vs. the Galileo Basik interconnect plus cells. Thanks, Joe
I'd like to hear about additional experiences from existing speaker cell users and also people who tried them but didn't get them. To me they seems like power cells for my speakers and I'm in that gray area of almost "too much of a good thing" since my system was already highly resolving prior to their insertion. Am I the only one with this concern?
I agree the PowerCell's highly glossy plastic polymer used for the chassis is way too prone to inadvertent scratches. It is one of the few pieces of audio equipment that actually made me want to use those silly white gloves that come with some audio products. A matte metal or plastic finish would allow the unit to keep its looks.
Personally, I ultimately didn't find the PowerCell 6 to work for me. It increased dynamics by making the music seem a bit "technicolor", which was nice for short listening sessions but got a little fatiguing over longer listening sessions. Admittedly, I am very sensitive to overly revealing/bright sound signatures, so I may be a special case. If your system sounds dull, the power conditioner is great. But if it is already highly resolved and revealing, it may be too much of a good thing to add the PowerCell conditioner.
Finally, all the glowing blue lights of the SR cords and the power conditioner are annoying. You cannot darken a room completely when the MPCs are plugged in. Unless behind a rack, a SR-based system starts to resemble the space ship in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
Shouldn't the sound itself, rather than a neon blue light, tell you that the SR power cords are working?
I've had the speaker cells installed for about 2 days now. My system was very highly resolving before the cells addition and remains so. I am noticing 3 things so far - the imaging seems a bit better and there seems to be a bit more air around the instruments, which is good. What I don't like is that the soundstage seems to have backed up about 6-8 feet.
This is what I have noticed so far after about 8 hours of play over 2 days.
Maxwellssilverhammer, Did you get your speaker cells yet? Let us know your impressions. I have not tried them yet and calling for a demo soon. I always try before I buy and keep items that show marked improvement in my system. I never buy things just to have them like others may think. I have tried many other products and nothing is as good as the Synergistic equipment in my system. If I would find another product better, I would own it. ;-)
Adwiegert, that is precisely what I will be doing in New Mexico. I doubt if it will be the equal of the full-blown ART system. I have never heard the Basik system.
Thank you TBG! I wonder, since I use the BASIK system, if these recommendations work for it as well. IE add a second BASIK kit, using the 4 satellites on the speaker wall in addition to the satellite used in lieu of the Vibratron, and then the bass station put in the rear.
Glory, yes this all would be quite expensive. I am going to try adding two Basik art systems after I use them in my small listening room in a summer home.
I am assured that a 10 x 13 x 8 foot room can be made to sound much larger. I will report on this later when I get this all settled down. Then in the Fall when I return to my home in Texas, I will bring both sets back with me and use them to complement my ART system here.
Were it not for hearing the ART system demonstrated, I probably would not have bought this system and greatly benefited from it.
I feel largely the same about the MIGs. Both are implausible but have great benefits. And the MIGs are cheap. I still am perplexed as to how and why the MIGs work, but nevertheless enjoy their benefit.
Wow, so much extra stuff to add to your audio system adds up to big $$$ for....
Is there any room left in the room of tweeks and stuff to sit down for a listen?
On Monday there will be a new efferator released to the market that will tie into your speakers that will cause the music to jump out and touch you in a 3D way. It comes in two models, one where the music hits you with a mild swat in the face and the more $$$ one slams you in the face and says, "Hand over to me more $$$ for the 3rd version and see what I will do".
I think the initial placement is as it was, except that the Vibratron is more open in its placement, requiring more experimentation. And this entails a stand for it, like SR uses at shows. The side wall Magnetrons go half way between your ears and the face of your speakers. The Gravatron is place as in the past, high on the back wall.
The four new Magnatrons go on the speaker wall between 3 and 6 inches from the side wall, with one pair at the same level as the Vibratron. The second set go above the first somewhere about 2.5 feet up.
The additional bass station goes somewhere on the back wall in a corner. Here experimentation is most important.
These instructions when finalized will appear on their webpage. I had asked about treating a small 10 x 13 x 8 foot room, but hold for all rooms at least up to a very large size.
Adwiegert, my Mac laptop sits on two MIGs in the back and one in the front, all in the Pin-Point configuration. All of this is on top my StillPoints rack, which of course means I am gilding the lilly. Nevertheless, it makes a big difference. Last night it was not sounding as good as it had been. I noticed that the screen of the computer was against the crossbar of the rack. When I closed it just enough to clear the crossbar, all was well again.
I agree about MIG under computer. While there were noticeable changes with DAC, amp etc, I found the biggest improvement in my system when I placed them under my computer server also. However, it was the fifth set of MIG in my system so I don't know if it is the accumulated effect or if the computer actually benefited more from MIG or what.
The other day, I unplugged speaker cells for a little bit. I was surprise at how big an effect it has on the sound. Not that Apex on its own sounds bad but I don't think I ever wanted to remove speaker cells from my system again :)
Adwiegert, there will soon be a recommendation of using four new Magnetrons, all on the front or speaker wall, and one new Bass Station for your rear wall. The new sidewall, Magnetron position does wonders.
All that I can say about MIG positioning is to try alternatives. If you move them under a component, do so smoothly. These things don't like to be moved. I have found there to be little to predict what will be best other than to have about the same load on each foot. After they are broken in (yeah, I know that sounds like nonsense for footers, but it is true), I prefer the "pin-point" position. I again tried putting three under my Mac Powerbook that I use as a server. I am again shocked at how effective these feet are.
In regards to the new recommended placement for the ART system, has anything else changed besides the placement of the side satellites? Anywhere I can read these new recommendations? I've still yet to finish setting mine up! stupid window...
I did however receive a demo set of universal speaker cells the other day. I tried them with my cheapo audioquest cables and was impressed with the improvement. Then I decided I'd try the cables that came with the cells and was blown away. They're settling in right now so I can do some real listening next week :)
I haven't moved my migs since I put them in. What difference in sound does moving them further inward under the component make? I have them at the recommended 1" from edge placement.
I have just ordered a set of Galileo speaker cells I'll let you know how I get on. I saw them at the recent London Heathrow hifi show on Soulution, Gershman Black swan system. It was the most open and engaging sound at the show and I was especially amazed when the chaps said they were using the basic synergistic cables.
I have now had several people who had previously heard my present system who have listened in the last several days after I merely moved the Magnetrons on the side back to half-way between the front of my Tidal speakers and my ears. Both asked what I had changed. Neither would believe that it was merely the location of the Magnetrons. I was unwilling to move them back, but for one guy I remove the bowls. He was shocked at the loss of realism.
Just ordered a set of miggs today. Should receive them early next week. If I like on my Blu Ray player,, I will order two more sets for my pre amp and Powercell 10SE....
Tvad, In addition to listening to your MiGs in pin-point vs ambient configurations, experiment with how close to the edge (of your components) you set them. After you find placement in relation to the edge of your components, as well as the configuration (pin-point vs ambient), give them a couple of days to settle in and you'll know.
Yours in music, Ted Denney III Lead Designer, Synergistic Research Inc.
Tvad, these are very strange devices as it is hard to say why there is a breakin, but there certainly is. I have found that you can gently move them beneath components with little needed settling in. But if they are jared, they may take several hours. There placement under a component makes are great difference.
What I have recently noticed is that my initial preference for most being in the Ambience placement is now reversed. I have switched the phono and dac to pin-point placement.
I just had a visitor who was just incredulous at the sound. He said how is this done, adding that he has heard many expensive systems. He was here on other business and needed to get back to Dallas, so I did no a/b comparisons. As he left he was still babbling.
Ted, I suspect trial and error are the only way to see what works. True?
Tbg, I know what you mean; I have learned a great deal regarding Acoustic ART placement from voicing our new design studio. Let me know what you think about the additional Magnetron placements (hopefully before the end of the month).
Tvad if you are planning a visit to the SR design studio it will have to wait untill early July as I am getting ready so sail a small boat from Hawaii to California.
Yours in music, Ted Denney III Lead Designer, Synergistic Research Inc.
Ted, I just did the now recommended halfway between the front of the speakers and your ears on the Magnetrons. I am amazed at what this did for the involvement in the soundstage and ease of the sound. The image is now higher as well. Why did I not do this before?? Nothing else was changed.
I just wanted to let you all know. I had the Synergistic ART room treatment setup in my room for a few months. In addition to the GIK panels, the Synergistic Research ART room treatment is the single most important improvement of all Synergistic products, because it correctly treats the room. It centers the image and widens the soundstage and even outs the bass. The resonators really work. It is worth a demo from The Cable Company. Even if you dont have any Synergistic products, I would give this a try.
Millimetr, The Galileo Cells like Active Shielding and the PowerCell, use close proximity electromagnetic fields to condition signal out-side-the-signal-path. Aside from the fact its Electromagnetic Cell is enclosed in a "box" Galileo Cells have noting in common with network cables that work by placing filters in the signal path.
As to Galilleo Universal Speaker Cells the leads are available in three different sizes that should connect any pair of speakers up to Tri-Wire. Should you have a speaker that requires longer length leads, we will custom build leads to spec.
I hope this helps.
Yours in music, Ted Denney III Lead designer, Synergistic Research Inc.
Have you got any idea what is inside cells? Are there any parts in signal path? I liked SR idea of active shielding without mess in signal path. I would not like that SR turn into MIT or Transparent.
Milimetr, I have tried the Interconnect Cells with Townshend interconnects. I would definitely say that the Cells improved the Townshends, but the SR Apexs are definitely better. However, I have a Summer home and am going to use the Townshends there with the Cells.
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