Sound quality differences in streamers


Can there be sonic differences between moderate and high priced streamers when used for streaming only. I will not use or engage an onboard DAC or any other feature, just stream from Tidal or Amazon to DAC. If the unit is just transferring zeros and ones to a DAC can there be differences in say a $300 WiiM and a $3000 dSC streamer? Thanks

kckrs

I have not listened carefully to many high end streamers, so I am hesitant to weigh in directly on @kckrs’ question. But I have generally learned to trust the ears and collective opinion of people on Audiogon who have spent countless hours and dollars chasing audio truth, whether in the analog or digital realm. My first question when reading about the pluses and minuses of specific gear is “has the author actually listened to it and compared it to products B and C”? I trust vendors and designers generally when weighing in on design principles, but pretty much never on specific products, can’t help being skeptical of bias.  

The old chestnut trotted out here that a streamer is “just transferring zeros and ones” and comparing word documents and spreadsheet data to digital music reproduction seems like a long ago dispelled issue and something that should only be reprocessed by zealots on ASR.  Basing buying decisions or comparative arguments of potential sound quality in your room of digital piece A versus digital piece B only on specifications or bench top measurements seems only slightly better.

Reporting what experience I do have with inexpensive streamers, replacing the internal switching power supply on a Bluesound Node N130 with a Teddy Pardo external supply resulted in a major and easily noticeable improvement in the sound quality when used as a streamer/server and bypassing the internal DAC - more improvement than replacing the external switching on a Chord Qutest DAC with the same external power supply. Similarly, replacing the stock power cube on a Bluesound Node Nano with a modest iFi iPowerX in a different system significantly improved the sound quality of the Nano used as a streamer/server/DAC. So streamer power supply matters, a lot.  Do I suggest here that these improved budget products rival bespoke alternatives?  NO, I do not.  Does this experience help me see how more sophisticated power management in a high end streamer could pay big dividends?  YES, yes it does.

Extrapolating, in addition to the power supply in the streamer directly affecting the sound of the device itself, any noise that the supply or other internal component generates and is either injected into the mains or possibly affects devices or cables nearby can in theory negatively affect the sound of your hifi system as a whole - I.E. what you hear out of your speakers in your room.  So any design solution from quieter power supplies to internal shielding to heavy aluminum casework to galvanic isolation can, in theory, improve overall sound you experience.

kn

@gnaudio 

I didn’t take it personally because it wasn’t in response to me or directed at me. I was calling out less than good behavior in this forum on behalf of this community.  

More measured and rational dialogue helps us all instead of diminishing the value of dialogue - and discouraging some from engaging, participating, or even being a part of this community.

 

I was considering an inexpensive streamer for less critical but still enjoyable listening to music that I don't own (61,100 LPs/CDs/78s/R2R).  It will be installed into a Lampizator Poseidon DAC.  Can I get somewhat satisfying sound from an under $1,000 streamer (often mentioned are $200 to $400 cheap streamers)? 

@fleschler 

Yes, you can get enjoyable sound from a streamer in the price range you suggest. A pre-owned Aurender, Auralic, Innuos would fit the bill.

But you have a beautiful, well thought out system and room. And, while you have a great collection of music, streaming via Qobuz or Tidal gives you access to an even greater library. With a streamer of similar quality to the rest of your system, you can explore that world library at the same quality as you enjoy via your CDs when played through your Poseidon. And, you’d have access to a large library of hi-res streaming content as well. Not all of it is good, but some of it is noticeably better than CD quality. With a good quality streamer, you might find you rarely spin a silver disk. 

Dipping your toe in is a good start, but for your system, I’d jump in. 

My two cents. 

Best,

Can I get somewhat satisfying sound from an under $1,000 streamer (often mentioned are $200 to $400 cheap streamers)?

@fleschler  Sure you can.  A Bluesound Node with and external LPS from LHY, SBooster, or Teddy Pardo will get you pretty decent sound and a user-friendly app for under $1000, but you’ll also want a Qobuz or Tidal subscription to go with it.