I will second St. Anger. Counting Crows folow up to "August and everything after" is funny in that everything after sorta really sucked! |
Energiser, "none of the band members have any personality"?!?!? Are we talking about the same band?
Learning to play a song, and actually writing it, are two completely different things. A child can be taught to play Beethoven. Does that make them his equal?
Mick Jagger is one of the best rock frontmen in the business. Whether you like his voice or not, is subjective. He's also a wry lyricist, and an excellent harmonica player. Not to mention, a great businessman.
The four albums I mentioned, are widely lauded as classics. There is a reason for this. |
Have never subscribed to the "if you can't say anything nice..." cliche, but a record is not a real stinker just because someone can't decipher it. Lark's Tongues In Aspic, Starless And Bible Black and Red are hugely influential recordings that marked a fertile period for all the participating players.
A real stinker might be Bluejeans and Moonbeams or Unconditionally Guaranteed by Captain Beefheart who spit these records out quickly to get out of a recording contract.
I'm a little surprised that Van Vliet, (Beefheart) who just passed on (and was a real genius if ever there was one) got no R.I.P. thread on this music forum while other comparatively tiny artists who recently died got a send off. |
so a lot of people worship the stones.And keith richards is not one of the great guitarists.How do you know what Jagger wrote? ELVIS WAS GIVEN CREDIT OF WRITING MOST OF HIS SONGS WHEN IN FACT THIS WAS IN ERROR.no not bashing Elvis.If you like the stones fine,but i do not, nor do i have to by any one standard. |
"On the Corner", by Miles Davis. |
I for one, do not "worship" the Stones. I simply recognize their rightful place in the rock pantheon.
Regarding the legitimacy of their credits: All we have to go on, is what has been given by their publishing companies. And, what has been widely reported by the many sources who were present at the time of a their recordings. Besides, all their earlier cover versions were correctly credited to the original writers. If their credits were up for contention, we would have heard about it, a long time ago.
No one is dictating, you have to like the Stones. But, to suggest that their entire catalogue stinks, is frankly, ridiculous. |
I really have to disagree about "On the Corner," that album has some of the best improv funk ever recorded. |
I always felt the Stones were great because it was so simple and that has a place in music. I have never felt they were really special or some sort of rare talent, not with the writing or the playing but they made some timeless rock songs.
You can be simple, sort of unremarkable and still a huge star, and make some great music loved by millions in the bargain. |
Hmmm... a record w/ Chick Corea, Herbie Hancock, John McLaughlin, Badal Roy, Jack DeJohnette, Billy Hart, Colin Walcott, Dave Liebman, Bennie Maupin and Miles Davis giving their best is a real stinker?
George W. and the Downbeat two star review of On The Corner way back in the early 70's did a great job of supporting old Einstein quote that goes something like... "Two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe". Fortunately there are a lot of well informed listeners who understand that there is there's no such thing as a better record than On The Corner. |
AGREED. Have you ever checked out "Get Up With It?" |
That doesnt make someone stupid for not thinking its great as you suggest. |
Remember liking Get Up With It a lot, and just ordered it...thought it was one of the darker electric period records but haven't heard it for about 30 years.
Saying you don't get it or don't like a record is one thing. Entering it in a "Real Stinker" thread is a whole 'nother deal. We've probably all noticed that poorly informed opinions can generate a pretty foul stench... anyway I guess everyone lets one out occasionally. |
Jeff1225, "The best improv funk ever recorded"; Miles was supposed to be Jazz. When I heard that LP, it was the same as buying a bottle of whiskey, and tasting wine. Of course I spat it out. I took that LP back to the record store and demanded a refund, or give me the LP and send the bill to Miles. They gave me the refund. |
Ahab is Ahab and Miles is Miles. He was about New Directions and he was always Miles Ahead. Obviously, you just couldn't follow. |
"Columbia marketed it for them old-time jazz people who couldn't get into what I was doing now in the first place. It was just a waste of time playing it for them; they wanted to hear my old music that I wasn't playing anymore. So they didn't like "On The Corner".
Miles was one funny "Dude". He spent 30 years of his life, and a lot of other people's lives developing his craft in jazz, and one day in 72 he decided to get into "rock funk" or whatever genre you wish to give it, and got an attitude when we didn't like it.
Why didn't he tell us, "Papa done got a brand new bag".
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Orpheus,
On the Corner was made years after Bitches Brew and In a Silent Way, so Miles had alreay moved off Jazz.
About "Miles was supposed to be Jazz," you are wrong on two fronts: 1). Miles had already produced several classical albums. 2). Artists are supposed to grow.
Miles grew more than any other jazz artist, and jazz has been in decline ever since the mainstream press dismissed him. |
-Even a genius like Miles Davis had to work for a couple of years to reach a level that made On The Corner possible.
-He did tell everyone what was coming by touring and releasing 5 electric albums, (three of which were double Lps) before On The Corner came out. |
Jeff1225, could you enlighten me in regard to the several classical albums Miles produced.
Remember, all music is subjective, and "On the Corner" is the worst album Miles ever put out, as far as I am concerned. |
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Thank you for returning thi thred to the original subject, i helped hijack it...sorry.
The Doors - Other Voices is a terrible album, nice one. |
I love this thread..thanks..
Anything released by The Rolling Stones after Tattoo You.
As for Bela Fleck.. I have all his Flecktone, collaboration and solo stuff.
I love it all.
Although I have to admit the Flecktones were hard pressed to come up with something different.
I liked Left Of Cool nad Outbound.
The Hidden Land bored me.
Check out the 3 CD set.. Little Worlds... it is a masterpiece, especially Disc 3.
to continue...
Elvis Costello.. North
The Eagles.. Road Out of Eden or whatever that disaster was called.
They sounded like the friggin Backstreet Boys!!!
Lucinda Williams..both West and Little Honey
Come on..Lucinda!! you can do better.
Anthing by Chicago after Chicago II.
Keep em coming..Glen |
Anything on cassette and my finances! |
Anything on cassette and my finances! |
every thing by the rolling groans. |
One Step Closer- The Doobie Brothers |
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