Quick power cord question:
With a DIY power cord that I just made, (pure, solid .9999 12 gauge silver) the tubes in that mono amp seem to be a little brighter than the other amp with the original power cord. So, do you think the tubes are brighter because they are getting more power through the new DIY cord or is the amp having to work harder and that’s why the tubes are brighter?
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Mr. rodman99999 Thanks for the info over the Audioquest "DBS system: Noise-Trapping DBS Packs". I see that it is a BS sleeve that Audioquest claims it will work on any cable: Interconnect, and speaker..." interconnect (analog or digital) or speaker cable ". https://www.audioquest.com/accessories/audio-enhancements/noise-trapping-dbs-packs The nature of those 3 is very different, especially of the line resistance to ground. This is a product that simulates the best snake oil over a cable, but it’s a solid with a battery and a LED. They also lost me on this: https://www.audioquest.com/accessories/audio-enhancements/preamp-jumpers As directional on an AC signal is the greatest BS ever! To remind everyone, that Audio is an AC (sine wave) that flowers both directions, each 50% of the time. So, on which 50% is that benefit the signal and on which 50% it damages it. Would you please be kind to ask Audioquest (a known cable maker for decades), what speaker cable do I need, if I use an Amp. with DF=400, and cable length is 3m? |
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ozzy, "What does it have that my DIY does not?" Maybe better/nicer finish? Just guessing. And a lots of marketing/earned reputation (that is another can of worms). And the need to cover for all the overhead, marketing included, that you do not have to worry about. Then, you did not make your cable to make money while Audioquest has to make money. It all adds up. I am not sure to how much, but it is not negligible. Then comes the question "how much will the market bear" and you end up with $9800. |
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I think you’re right in that it appears to be a hypothesis bases on existing theories with no real way of measuring. The translation is the sticking point. The proof will end up being in the listening. That, and I can almost commiserate with the extremes the testers went through with all the cable samples and hands on trial and error testing. 8 years is a long time to put something through its paces. All the best, Nonoise |
It is long(ish) and not that simple to follow. Maybe the part of it is because of translation. One part caught my eye so maybe someone can clarify... "Although it cannot be proved by numerical values or formulas, BOP QF appears to play a role of’accelerating by giving kinetic energy’ to the flow of current flowing through the audio cable on a similar principle to this cyclotron accelerator. That is, 1) a DC cable wound in a solenoid coil method on an audio cable creates an external magnetic field and an electric field, and 2) a magnetic field is generated by Ampere’s right-hand screw (right hand) rule even in the audio cable itself, where an electric current flows......" If it cannot be proven, what makes it appear that way? I think they are describing their hypothesis, rather than showing how and why it appears. Am I misunderstanding/misreading it? It surely went over my head but not as much as some things earlier. |
Good questions. I went to the link provided at the end of the mini pre review mentioned earlier and came across this: https://hificlub.co.kr/web2017/board/brd_wz_view_n20.asp?table=brd_10281&pid=16857&brdcat=210 I hope it came out in English. If not, go to the top of the page and select English as the language and it should work. What follows is a long trial and error saga of what the designers went through and what they encountered. I’ve yet to really read it as I just skimmed it. My eyes are tired and I’ll commit to reading it tomorrow (doesn't mean I'll understand it). All the best, Nonoise |
"Somewhat over my head."Lucky you. It is way over my head. If someone connects electricity to that particular dielectric for whatever postulated reason, is there a heat production? Just the way the world seems to work, I think there will be some heat produced. If that is true, how does that affect molecules that we are trying to put in order? Wouldn’t they go into some unruly state? |
It's way over my head as well. It just so happens I read that pre review earlier in the day and thought it might be relevant, what with how the conversation was going sideways. The proof would be in the listening so until then, it's all conjecture but interesting to read. I'm just waiting to read the full review once the reviewer had a chance to put it through it's paces. All the best Nonoise |
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@ OZZY= More ’’power’’ then the wall socket and the wall wiring can deliver? No. The power draw of all appliances is by its design. Not by the power cord. As (oldhvymec) said, brighter is not better.That's not what he said. Goodness, the lengths some will go to. I hope that the completeness makes it clear. Wouldn't that make patent more, rather than less, vulnerable to copying without protection?That was speculation on my part, not being well versed in such matters. The one you allude to would be Almarg, who is/was a patent attorney. All the best, Nonoise |
That " invention" of the patent linked to earlier has to do with polarization of dielectrics. It is based on the assumption that the dielectric of cables burn in and every time no current is running through the cable it reverts to its pre burn in state. We're talking about the positive and negative of the molecules in the insulation all lining up in a pretty row. So to avoid this catastrophe a constant electrical charge is applied to the dielectric which isn’t in the signal (can’t do that Monster Cable patented that brilliant idea). Of course even if this constant burn in state of dielectrics matters from a supply of current perspective there’s no evidence any of this would be audible to humans or porpoises. |
"... that can be another way of saying that it's making it (the dielectric) resistant to RFI without the need to spell it out, rendering the patent moot so others can't copy it." Wouldn't that make patent more, rather than less, vulnerable to copying without protection? There was at least one patent lawyer on Audiogon. If she/he is around, maybe clarification would help. |
I just noticed that rodman99999 deleted the link he provided, so here it is in case anyone's wondering what was said and meant: https://www.synergisticresearch.com/active-shielding/ All the best, Nonoise |
"Flat Earth science" If you haven't considered it recently don't give us your uninformed opinion on it. Some people are finding it works for them. I have found that if I am listening to music, get up to change a cd and leave my beer by the player, then sit back down my beer stays where I left it. If the earth was round and spinning in a circle, my beer would come to me. |
More particularly, the present invention relates to biasing a dielectric with an electrical or electrostatic potential to reduce undesirable electrical properties of the material such that signal quality between the electrical devices is enhanced.It doesn't say or mention what is biasing the dielectric. As for reducing undesirable electrical properties of the material, that can be another way of saying that it's making it (the dielectric) resistant to RFI without the need to spell it out, rendering the patent moot so others can't copy it. And, in that link you provided, AQ states that they finally found a way to use DC as a shield to reject RFI and EMI, so where did I misunderstand things, and just where did the reviewer get it wrong as well? How you can read into it that I am being contrary is just plain silly. All the best, Nonoise |
What difference does what it, "looks like" make, if he’s WRONG? The patent application spells out the goal of the DBS system. ie (verbatim): "FIELD OF INVENTION The present invention relates generally to methods and apparatus of connecting and communicating signals between electrical devices. More particularly, the present invention relates to biasing a dielectric with an electrical or electrostatic potential to reduce undesirable electrical properties of the material such that signal quality between the electrical devices is enhanced. The invention has special utility within the field of audio and video equipment and signal transmission" The balance of the application contains nothing about RFI, but- everything about how the DBS system is supposed to enhance the transmission of various signals, by the biasing of a cable’s dielectric. Too bad so many are too lazy to bother reading, educating, or- informing themselves, rather than trying to be contrary. This conversation has become tedious. I’ll leave the ubiquitous last words to others. Best regards and happy listening, everyone! |
Well, that reviewer may not be aware of that patent, but it sure as hell looks like what he’s mentioning when he refers to AQ. I’ve seen one of their demos up close (there being only the rep and the two of us listeners) and it mirrors remarkably like what the reviewer described. Here’s the pre review of the device that I saw today: https://6moons.com/audioreview_articles/bop/ All the best, Nonoise |
I just read a partial prereview of a new product out that emits DC through skinny wires that wrap around a power cord to prevent RFI from affecting it. The reviewer went on to say that that's what AudioQuest has been doing for years with their batteries attached to their cables, along with some other manufacturers. I have no dog in this fight but it brings up the question that if it was no biggie then, it's no biggie now, so why all the hubbub? All the best, Nonoise |
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As I mentioned, NO ONE is connecting batteries to insulators/dielectrics. BUT- the extreme density of some will preclude any facts from absorption. Of course, with no other uninformed comebacks, they'll just change the subject. Anyone interested in actually learning something about dielectrics, can simply do a Google search on DIELECTRIC POLARIZATION. Please note that all audio cables will register a capacitance, inductance and resistance when measured. Whether one chooses to believe any of that matters, as regards sound quality, is moot. The fact is; audio cables with dielectrics will have capacitance, and their dielectrics become polarized in the presence of an electric field. |
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Hmm, "Connecting a battery to an insulation material (dielectric) - NOTHING happens! That is the nature of an insulator! " Soo, "YOU", noticed not a thing eh? And you were, actively/passively measuring exactly "what", at the time in question? With what gear? In what frame of reference? Scale? Calibrated for? With all data recorded, verified and then crosschecked how and by what and/or whom? Oh yeah, What was the question with which you were posing to begin with? They still say "Ignorance is _____" For a ______! |
Connect a battery's plus and minus terminals to ANY insulator (dielectric). Take a volt meter and measure the voltage across the insulator (dielectric). NO voltage passed! And you expect me to believe that the so-called "polarity" of the insulator (dielectric) is "altered"! That's an F in a college materials science course! |
@b4icu- Personally, having tried them; I don’t know or care about Audioquest cable pricing, etc. I was providing information, regarding a totally unrelated subject (ie, for clarity: ",,,,the dialectic battery. I may try to pursue how that works and how it benefits the design"). "About the battery maintains a constant/stable polarization of the dielectric: I wonder how I reached to my age without ever hear about it or need it?" 1) Ignorance/lack of interest, as to how dielectrics function. 2) Who said you, "need it"? |
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rodman99999 How expensive is that Audioquest Dragon? Did you know that silver conducts electricity, only 5% better than copper? But it costs 130 times more. In other words, If you take a silver wire, with 5% more cross section than Silver, at the same length, they will measure identical. For the price, it will cost 130 times more. Could you please explain, what justify that price for no electric benefit? About the battery maintains a constant/stable polarization of the dielectric: I wonder how I reached to my age without ever hear about it or need it? |
