Does anyone know the intricate details of how these most current PPS eMats differ, aside by appearance, from the previous two generations of PPT eMat & eMat+?.any insight will be greatly appreciated...
I remember you from my first coming here.... You were always kind and a true gentleman....
My creation almost " nutty" sometimes were the fruit of my lack of money to afford my dream.... Lukily i succeed to a point.... I am no more frustrated , we are all happy when the natural "Timbre" and "imaging" are there coming from non existent speakers...
My deepest respect.... And thanks for the invitation....
^^^ Oh, and I forgot to mention ... those reflective blinds received the copper foil treatment too. I used small pieces so unless pointed out, one would never know they are there.
You are not passionate you are dogmatic and lazy and too interested in hearing yourself talk to listen to what anyone else says. That’s why you repeat the same rambling monologue over and over. I have never "attacked" analog lovers only the dogmatic idea it is "superior" not just preferable to them personally. If you are stuck in the mindset it is technically superior that is out of ignorance willful or otherwise. That hires digital can copy analog perfectly should make this obvious.
I will make the hypothesis that you are right and that i was wrong about that and about analog lover... And i will suppose that like you said you never accuse them to be ignorant...Anyway you even cannot repeat my argument about timbre perception in relation to mic recording and dont even understand them or dont want to ....
But think now about the content of your post just here...
It lack some other information...no?
Answering my post you truncate it of some information....
Remember, you bashed indisciminately also all audiophiles and particularly those who add "tweaks" to their system ?
Then you certainly attack tweakers audiophile in mass in the other thread with mijostyn laughing about their ignorance and "snake oil" products and here you attacked oregonpapa....Remember?
Even if you may or may be not right about me, and about turntable " ignorant", or not so, analog lover you cannot erase completely all reality written here....
I am not perfect, but you are certainly not more perfect than me....
Take the " harsh" medecine you wanted to offer to others and quit the arguing... I will mute myself also....
Challenging assertions made with limited facts is not attacking people. It’s the proper way to discern facts and acquire knowledge. Though often it devolves into that. Real Knowledge is always based on discerning facts.
Challenging assertions made with limited facts is not attacking people.
i will correct your distorted translation of event....
Challenging people experience and testimonies which are "limited facts", yes, but they are anyway facts, with no experience with the product whatsoever, even no knowledge at all about the content of this product, is not challenging but criticizing people with no facts at all... Not even limited one.... Then bashing someone room, speakers, and integrity after that to go on with the ridiculizing of the same product deconsider any form of seriousness...
Real Knowledge is always based on discerning facts.
That’s the name of the game we all play with various degrees of success. Also just have to point out that anyone can say anything anytime for any reason. Especially on the Internet in chats where there is often no way to immediately confirm what people say or not. So the facts can be few and far between. It’s a big problem.
Good to see this thread is back to name calling and turn-based insults. Super productive. The only way to win the argument is to ignore and move on folks. It's the internet, just let the other person have their perceived victory... or fight forever, those are your two options. If only people could put this much effort into actually helping one another...
isochronism2,511 posts01-28-2021 9:34pmTRUE intelligence realize's it's own lack of knowledge, hence will display humility.
You haven't dealt with a lot of really smart driven people have you? :-) They tend to display their "humility" by plowing through whatever is in their way to achieve success.
Actually the wealthy people I know aren't totally humble, but they also aren't aggressive or have a rude manner. Very nice people in fact. Their success was brought on by talent, people want what skills they have to offer and to help them helps themselves. If you push chances are you will bump into someone that will show you what pushing is really all about, give you an education.
Along the path I have seen those that thought they were the "brightest" and "special", who simply didn't know how to treat people with the normal dose of respect, and it was not long before they were washed out, to a person. Simple test, would you like to work with someone like you? If you think you are a jerk, you are one.
"Simple test, would you like to work with someone like you? If you think you are a jerk, you are one."
I see very limited value in this test from an organizational success standpoint. It sounds all very good, but it does not reflect the reality of a high performance company (or people for that matter).
I would rather work with a total jerk who gets things done and is reliable versus someone who is fun and amiable and totally useless. Someone who is less performance oriented may prefer that amiable useless person over the high performance jerk. Different roles require different skill sets.
You don't treat someone with respect you know nothing about because you have nothing to respect. You should treat them with basic decency, but respect is something that is earned.
Most high performance people I know and have met are fairly aggressive at least in those what I would call formative or active years of their career, and certainly as it surrounds their work/career. It is usually later in life / far outside work they shed that side of them, till pushed. The ones that were washed out were the ones that were not nearly as bright or special as they thought they were and hence never lived up to their own billing. Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, Andy Grove, Mark Zuckerberg .... not known for being the easiest people to work for.
What are we trying to achieve here? The best sound. Period. What that is will be different for everyone, but the goal is the same. The best sound. Period again for emphasis. The "jerk" who is right, is going to get you to the goal of the best sound if you listen. The amiable wrong person is not.
Everyone wants to blame the jerk who is right, because it is easier than blaming themselves for taking the advice of the amiable person who was wrong. The amiable person doesn't reveal our own inadequacies, the jerk does.
You haven't dealt with a lot of really smart driven people have you? :-) They tend to display their "humility" by plowing through whatever is in their way to achieve success.
True sometimes but not always but has more to do with being "driven" than smart.
isochronism2,511 posts01-28-2021 9:34pmTRUE intelligence realize's it's own lack of knowledge, hence will display humility.
It has not been my experience that truly brilliant people are overly humble and certainly not in their area of expertise and not when met with ignorance.
I see very limited value in this test from an organizational success standpoint.
Ultimate question are there to be applied in ourself for ourself....i think jetter was proposing a self reflective moment to you and to me and to all...You missed the point....
I am pretty sure jetter was not thinking about an organizational standpoint and waiting for his test to be scored by a team of manager....😁
I would rather work with a total jerk who gets things done and is reliable versus someone who is fun and amiable and totally useless.
Like often here you use a "sophism" , your alternative is a fake one Impliying a vicious circle... 1-All Jerks will make anything to do the work done...By all means... 2- there is a job to be done... 3- we need a jerk to be sure the job will be done...
The problem here is that anyone fun and amiable other than a jerk can also do the job...The conclusion you arrived at is already contained in your premises... It is called a vicious circle.... But you have decided that the jerk beat all amiable and fun already... Your back tought is simple.... The job must be done at any cost.....Even at a human cost.... Collateral damage it is called...Oregonpapa here was this collateral damage of your "expertise"....
You don’t treat someone with respect you know nothing about because you have nothing to respect
This one explain all...Basic human consideration ask for the respect of any human being, even hydrocephalus one over any "job" asking to be done...Ask your father if he waited your maturity for giving you respect? Or does he wait til "job" done? Respect is being REAL when it is not a money of exhange, it is a basic trust between human ... Basic respect must be spontaneous and all time for all people...I must respect you without waiting for anything.... I tried, but it was difficult i am not perfect like you are not either....I tend to disrespect some attitude... It is my defect and own fault.... I apologize for that...
What are we trying to achieve here? The best sound. Period. What that is will be different for everyone, but the goal is the same. The best sound. Period again for emphasis. The "jerk" who is right, is going to get you to the goal of the best sound if you listen. The amiable wrong person is not.
Everyone wants to blame the jerk who is right, because it is easier than blaming themselves for taking the advice of the amiable person who was wrong. The amiable person doesn’t reveal our own inadequacies, the jerk does.
There is no "job" to be done here.... It is an audiophile thread.... People partake experiences and know perfectly well that the ABSOLUTE GOOD sound dont exist in any normal room and any normal gear.... Only optimal S.Q. in some level that they all learn with their own differences and histories in audio...
Then the fallacy of your reasoning excusing yourself to be rude because of a "job" that must be done is complete bullshit...
Sorry to say so.....
Your last words are something.... You are right and totally wrong at the same times...
You are right the difficult person confront us.... It is a lesson to learn about ourself and you are right...
But you are totally wrong thinking this is your personal mission to enlighten all people here at all cost only by ourself...
But your post imply that...
Go back to the jetter test now you are ready to pass it....You know that it is not a manager test now.... But a mirror where each of us MUST glance....
I apologize to you because i have been rude myself with you,.... But i am not perfect and i have difficulties when i see victims imaginary one and real one...
I used to work with a guy who would take forever to make his point which was a terrible waste of time in a busy day. Worse, he would call from his office even though he worked 45 feet away. He would watch for people to enter their office, and then call them. He did that to me once, and I did not answer the phone. I watched the phone "flash" which it did when someone was leaving a message. 2 minutes later it was still flashing, they were still talking. I opened my voicemail and listened to 30 seconds of rambling. I never made it to the end, I just deleted the message. About 2-3 hours later he graced me with his presence and asked if I got his voicemail. I told him after 30 seconds, since he had not made his point, and it was not even clear why he was calling, I deleted his message.
Yes I know but humility is a virtue that can serve everyone though many may not choose to leverage it, especially those very driven and successful.
I come from Amish country and very humble beginnings so I may have a somewhat distorted perspective when it comes to these things. My kids and wife tease me about it all the time.
I come from a very poor upbringing myself @mapman , though myself and my siblings have all done very well for ourselves. We do have our parents good genetics, and good worth ethic to thank and a loving upbringing. We were never pushed, but we were never told there were limits either. I would not call myself or my siblings overall very humble and my brothers and I definitely not, but we certainly don't look down on those of lesser success and we don't equate wealth with being a better person (or worse). It has made us all more fiscally right wing, but we are all socially pretty left wing, but politically right in the center.
The origins of humility as a "virtue" are not necessarily good though. It can be traced by to religious piety and one could even say subservience (to a diety). Nietzsche even characterized it as a defence mechanism for the weak to survive the strong (paraphrasing). By calling it a virtue, we are "forced" to assume it is a good thing without reflection on whether it is or not.
Being exceptionally aware of your limitations and failings does not require one to be humble.
Hmm I’ll go out on a limb and assert the most acclaimed philosophers probably are served well by a fair dose of humility. They run the risk of preaching to a vacuum if their lack of humility means nobody wants to listen to them.
Of course they may just think they are smarter than everyone else and not care. In which case their brilliance might merely go to the grave with them.
Maybe once they write it all down and someone chooses to read it, humility is a moot point.
Different strokes.....
Here is an article that accurately reflects my view on humility better than I could ever explain it.
Perhaps I’ve been brainwashed? But this is exactly how I tend to think about it.
Humility can be a false "virtue", the anthropological nietzschean analysis go indeed very deep in the christian Occidental soul... Humility can be a fake virtue... Indeed...
But humility cannot be erased once and for all of the hall of virtues by the wise analysis of Nietzsche...
Humility is also something coming from more deep stata than something attribute to the sole Ego...
Humility can be observed when a wise humble buddhist monk wait to give his rice that the hand was opened up before spooning the rice, he must humbly and patiently wait that the people ask first for it and open effectively their hands...
A long time ago a christian doctor in journey to Japan in a buddhist monastery in 1956, was speaking with enthusiasm about the greatness of christian Charity to the buddhist monk that effectively agreed to his affirmation of virtue greatness for charity...
But the wise monk said that the humility and patience to wait for a hand to volontarily open by itself before spooning the rice in was also a great virtue.... Because spooning the rice without this patient and humble waiting for it was useless at the end....We must learn to wait for the right moment and for the permission of those we want to help....
Nietzsche was necessary in Christian country, not so in Asian one....
Humility is great virtue after all....
With this virtue the mind can be more attentive to the world phenomenon....Humility is one of the virtue of truly great scientist after Goethe who said that we must patiently wait to see nature open itself to us....
Someone can also wait for his knowledge to be received that someone ask for it....
For tolerance, inclusiveness and conviviality that consistently elevates the basest of discourse, I hereby nominate Mahgister for the first Audiogon Peace Prize.
For tolerance, inclusiveness and conviviality that consistently elevates the basest of discourse, I hereby nominate Mahgister for the first Audiogon Peace Prize.
Thanks but i must decline, for my abuse of sarcasm, lack of humility, and too swift overeacting passion ...And too repetitive and longer post too....
A better model would be oregonpapa... Way more in self control than me, by the way... Dont get me wrong, i know myself...Qualities but also defects....
But wait a minute, forget all that , seriously is there a money prize?
Yea I had to move my madness about shear waves and interfering energy else where as no one wants to know about it, cares about it or gives a hoot.Oh and about active laminar flow and conditioning the air the music travels with. Just kidding..Yes things are much more chill now. What next? Tom
Very nice. Can we get back to fighting now? It's a lot more fun:-)
Purple Haze again Tom?
Mahgister, my best to you also. I will take all the money you have. My PayPal account is........
Oregonpapa, I am speechless.
Audio2design,you are a lucky guy. I had an upper middle class Jewish upbringing and my mother use to beat us with the cord to the electric coffee pot. She had more children than she could possibly manage. She was a classic bipolar. Two of her four children also developed bipolar illness and the third married an African American alcoholic at the age 18 and moved to Denver. All of this made me an enuretic until the age of 13. The rate of childhood enuresis is very high in physicians. I hid in my basement bedroom an learned to deal with people by avoiding them altogether. Humility? Is perhaps fear by another name.
Mahgister, my best to you also. I will take all the money you have. My PayPal account is........
Nevermind little differences in opinions.... You are a good soul and i want to apologize for being a bit too rude with you.... And i never means to insult you.... I thanks you for your salutations...
My best from my heart,
And if we differ in opinions we must remember that we are friends whathever the difference.... It is more interesting to differ sometimes...i am too passionnate and i love discussion.....
Terribly sorry for straying off audio topic. While listening to your system, enjoy a cup of coffee using freshly roasted and ground beans (technically seeds) to further enhance your listening pleasure. An excellent source for said beans (technically seeds) is the above mentioned site. Disclaimer: Neither Frank nor I are shills for sweetmarias.com so let's just nip that bit of nastiness in the bud.
Tom, the owner of sweetmarias, travels the world looking for excellent coffee grown on small, family-owned organic farms. These coffees are unavailable in your local markets. The person I bought my speakers from was a home-roaster. When I told him that I loved good coffee, and what I was drinking at the time, he told me about home-roasting. He sent me four varieties of freshly roasted coffees. Some from Guatemala, some from Columbia, and an African coffee. I brewed some up. I was hooked from the first sip.
To relate these coffees to audio, think of Guatemalan coffee as a Koetsu Rosewood Signature, and an Ethiopian coffee to a Dynavector 17D. :-)
@oregonpapa I too got into roasting my own beans some years back. Bought beans from Sweet Marias and others. SM is a great link for info too. Anyway, I came to understand that my roasts were never quite as good as that roasted by professionals with pro equipment. It was fun for a time but I quit the roasting. Though I don’t drink as much of the gourmet coffee anymore, I still must have my Bonavita brewer. Its amazing how much effect a coffee maker/brewer can and does make. I never knew how good Max Wellhouse coffee could taste. Like you I lean towards the African coffees, though lately, I’ve been drinking light roasts.
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