Perfect Path "Solutions" (PPS) eMat
@tvad Thank you. & @oldhvymec Thanks for that story. It’s just impossible to accurately imagine how much suffering people go through in this world. No matter how bad you have it, sadly someone’s always beating you in the competition down the well. It’s a shame it’s so hard to keep those downward comparisons in mind when your personal issues are at the forefront. In the end I guess it's because pain is pain, whether it’s from a 2 year old not getting their way or the truly horrible shit that happens in war. It’s activating the same areas of the brain. As I said above, hey, at least we’ve got music. And on-topic. Agreed with the statement above... even if these matts (or anything else in audio) are just placebos, why not? Research clearly demonstrates that placebos can be just as real as the drugs they mimic. Hell, they might even have fewer side aside from the risk of social mocking. |
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theaudiotweak, I was referring to name of the deceased being dragged in here again. Not separating an item from a person will inevitably bring the view of the person from an angle some may not like. It is like asking to be dragged through the mud and then complaining about getting dirty. It is unfair to the deceased that people are bringing him in here. It is disgusting, in fact. Why not let the man rest without some irresponsible shouting? It is really not about some proponents' knowledge, it is about insisting on bringing a long-gone person into arguments. All the knowledge can be discussed somehow, but this extreme urge to talk about a person is beyond comprehension. |
Einstein did not hang around fools. glupson you are so.....discriminating:-) cal3713, you are quite correct. Well put. audio2design, cal has a point. You are coming across a bit harsh here and you know I am on your side. The mat is a silly concept that does nothing but massage the brains of the people that waste money on it. But hey, is their prerogative to do silly things. They should be saving their money for better equipment. |
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In an audio thread about products: 1-When facing a product there is the neutrality of those who tough curious CANNOT have an opinion like myself because i never use it.... 2-There is the folks that use the product and are very happy... 3- Those who have use it but have discontent or contrary impressions than the satisfied customers...And they can and must speak about their experiencebecause they have ONE.... 4- and those that everybody will qualify "jerks" who without any experience of the product wil throw hate or suspicion without any other motivation than their own bile expression in a subtle or not so subtle way... I dont see any other attitude between adults on an audio forum.... |
Thanks all. Much appreciated. And if you wanted to help out in any other ways, I'd be really happy if you felt like buying my house! Walking distance to over 100 bars and restaurants and two of the major indoor music venues in Denver, 1.5 miles from downtown, 1.5 miles from the botanical gardens, and the appraisal went from $440 to $660 in 4 years, so it's a wonderful investment. That trend isn't stopping anytime soon. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1736-N-Marion-St-Denver-CO-80218/13321315_zpid/ |
cal3713 If you want a book on any subject to help you just send me a mail.... i may be able to help also.... Tomic601 will help you with music.... 😊 |
Have you been told yet today cal3713?@audio2design Indeed, I definitely need a life. After my best friend was murdered I lost my dream job, a 17-year academic career, a 5-year relationship, am bored out of my mind, and just had to pack up my system because I'm being forced to risk my life and move across the country for a job that provides zero enjoyment during the middle of the worst health crisis of the past 100 years. Regarding perspective, thankfully I've only lost a 93 year old grandmother to covid and actually have a job and get paid so I'm not suffering acutely like so many out there. So many people are losing dear family members and are worried about feeding their families every day right now... If you could just reflect on the number of threads you participate in that devolve into unhelpful bickering like this one, I'd really appreciate it. Obviously others are also guilty, but you really do attack people a lot and then talk about how dumb they are while citing your superior experience and knowledge. I'm probably just more sensitive to it from you because I got swept up in such accusations a while back, sorry... And sorry for the off-topic post folks. As I said in the "angry audiophile thread" I just wish we could all try to help each other learn about music reproduction without the personal attacks. Education without condescension. I'll work on getting better at it myself. |
I was hoping to make you aware that you are misunderstood and point out what needs work and it is not because of your language barrier.If you want to help me feel right to do it....Like i said i prefer to stay friends with all people, except those who bash group of people without reason.... it does seem a bit silly, if not desperate, to claim that one cannot make an opinion, or form an expectation, about something without experiencing it her/himself first.Anybody can form an opinion WITHOUT trying a product... and everybody MUST do it...No need to experience anything to know what suit ourself....This is common sense.... NO ONE can contradict that.... Why do you suppose the opposite? But entering a thread to bash not only the product but also those who had bought it and speak about it with satisfaction is not only rude it is disrespect or stupidity....Especially if we have never try it....expressing doubts is ok, sarcastically depreciating an unusual audio product without trying it first has no meaning and is disrespectful........ Is it too complicate to understand? Myself i dont feel the need to buy anything but i dont feel the right to say that my own creation are superior for example....I am not stupid, not rude, and i have no idea of this product....muting ourself when we dont know is wise.... |
mahgister, "I dont want to GO BACK to a useless discussion with you...." You truly do not know how to take anything but a praise. I was not trying to go into a useless discussion with you at all. I was hoping to make you aware that you are misunderstood and point out what needs work and it is not because of your language barrier. It was really meant to be a half-useless discussion. Useless for me and useful for you. Oh, well, no good deed ever goes unpunished. End of lesson.... |
Einstein did not suffer foolsYou are perfectly right, i am very glad to say that to you, but he was polite and that is the point..... Politeness consist to express reservation perhaps but never rejecting outlandishly the consumers to the confine of gullibility without experimenting the product in debate... |
mahgister, "it is the second correction i receive from you that is wrong in 24 hours..." For some reason you decided that your words do not have meanings that others assign to them and that others are wrong for not guessing what you decided a word will mean at a given point. A giant seeing is seeing. A giant hearing what a pygmy is telling him he is seeing is not seeing. It is hearing and for that, giant can be on the phone. |
Maybe " all giant need to stand on the shoulder of a pygmy sometimes to see more»? Otherwise, it is a pygmy who will see more and giant will still see the same.With a little imagination perhaps you could envision the possibility for the pygmy standing over the shoulder of the giant to SPEAK to him about what he sees? Your proposition to correct me make no sense at all: A giant cannot stand on a pygmy without crushing him..... My sentence have a context by the way, the context of an answering to a precise post and NOT directed to you....You cannot correct something out of a context.... I dont know if Groucho has a bad day, but glupson as usual? it is the second correction i receive from you that is wrong in 24 hours...Please stay cautious.... |
djones51, "...I will defer to anyone who will give it a go first hand and eat my words if they don't hit the sidewalk." Be careful, you want fries with your words?... "Two people have survived falls by not falling more than a floor. On December 2, 1979, Elvita Adams jumped from the 86th floor, only to be blown back onto a ledge on the 85th floor by a gust of wind and left with a broken hip. On April 25, 2013, a man fell from the 86th floor observation deck, but he landed alive with minor injuries on an 85th-floor ledge where security guards brought him inside and paramedics transferred him to a hospital for a psychiatric evaluation." Empire State Building - Wikipedia |
So now electricity and thermostats are the unknown? I admit to not fully understanding electricity and I don't fully understand gravity but I and we do understand enough about both to say jumping off a building results in falling to the ground and thermostats in refrigerators don't go wonky even if the electricity is somehow purified by mats in a panel box. The thermostat still kicks the compressor on and off when a certain temp is reached. And it will keep your veggies fresh longer than shungite and your OJ a liquid. |
PPT did not make "graphene", they incorporated graphene into a carrier/solvent. They didn’t have a graphene formula, they had a formula for a carrier/binder used in the contact enhancer. They would have bought the graphene. Judicial use under the label .... sure, that is why the mat is pretty flat on the label side?? You would have had better luck claiming it was on the other side, where it was a flat but a bit bubbly on the first one, but flatter but grittier on the "upgrade". There are a ton of proper EMI absorbing mats on the market that use graphite, and ferrous particles depending on operation method. I will give you 3 reasons why they don’t use graphene and cost and too difficult to manufacture are not it. @audio2design Here, let me give you a demonstration for how to post without the condescension. I suppose you enjoy the fights you cause on every thread, but if you really do want people to listen to you, simply saying the same things without the insults will be a lot more effective. "As you know, the primary invention of PPT was to create a carrier/solvent formula that allowed graphene to be easily applied to other surfaces. I have my doubts, however, that this is being done on the mats, as one would expect the surface to be a lot more "uneven" if covered in a graphene paste before label application. Even if it is applied to the mats as suggested, I don’t believe this would make them more effective EMI absorbers. There are three reasons why commercial manufacturers of EMI absorbing mats don’t use graphene in this way. 1. xxxx. 2. xxxx. 3. xxxx." As is your actual points get lost in the noise. |
I have no first hand knowledge of the outcome of jumping off a skyscraper and I’m not willing to try first handThe frontier separating what we know and not know is large and grey... Reducing it to a thin line with white in one side , black in the other is naive... Nobody can equate a new unknown product to be only a patent absurdity because science said so.... Science can said nothing about a product a scientist has never experiment with... Refusing to try a product to know what his effect will be is perfectly correct if you had doubts... Dont call your doubts logic and others idiots.... But equating all owners to be idiots like zombies who walk out of a plane without parachute is lunacy not logic.... By the way i never bought any of these products and reserve my opinion about people and owners.... Why not helping each other instead of stirring hate? |
I have no first hand knowledge of the outcome of jumping off a skyscraper and I'm not willing to try first hand but I will defer to anyone who will give it a go first hand and eat my words if they don't hit the sidewalk. Magic mats in electric panels don't cause thermostats in refrigerators and water heaters and air conditioners to suddenly malfunction. The word I choose is ..... logical. |
If only the claims had remained in audio but when users of these "mats" extol lower electric bills, frozen orange juice in the refrigerator, water heaters over heating , TV needing readjustment, we’ve left the well perhaps and entered the twilight zone.Take a piece of shungite put it in the refrigerator and look at the slowing process of aging vegetables...( you will gain a few days) Mocking without knowing and even without even willing to try anything first hand is..... Choose your word..... I can rectify my own gullibility after the fact if i was wrong.... But putting blinders and keeping them is not gullibility it is plain.... Choose a word.... |
"I believe" .... words matter.A grain of salt of modesty from someone who dont have much of this virtue.... Congratulations... Albert Einstein himself would not condemn a product about which he know nothing.... When working at his desk in Swiss patent office.... Why not imitating him? The answer is simple you despise " audiophiles" and your fun is stirring their pot....Your blinders make for the fact that you will never recognize that no audiophile is like another, for your own sake self imposed limitations they are all one bunch of identical deduded idiots....Audiophile is a species existing only in your head....All engineers are not blind adept of scientism either.....Then i dont oppose engineers and audiophiles like small mind do.... I deduce from your prefered past-time then that your intellectual heights are not so towering above us .... Nobody here know so much more than all of us together....We are all here to help or being helped... «A tower of pygmies exceed any giant, and all giant need a pygmy on his shoulder sometimes to see more»-Groucho Marx |
So what you are saying is you have no clue. Look at your own post Opapa...... ***** I believe ***** that the same technology was used in the mats as was used in the PPT Total Contact contact enhancer. Judicial use of Tim Mrock’s graphene formula under the label of the mat. And as for the mat itself, ***** I believe that it was the same material as that used for refrigerator magnets. ***** And yes, the mat material can be bought through Internet suppliers. However, the graphene formula used in developing the PPT mats died with Tim Mrock ... the genius who came up with all of these great ideas. PPT did not make "graphene", they incorporated graphene into a carrier/solvent. They didn't have a graphene formula, they had a formula for a carrier/binder used in the contact enhancer. They would have bought the graphene. Judicial use under the label .... sure, that is why the mat is pretty flat on the label side?? You would have had better luck claiming it was on the other side, where it was a flat but a bit bubbly on the first one, but flatter but grittier on the "upgrade". There are a ton of proper EMI absorbing mats on the market that use graphite, and ferrous particles depending on operation method. I will give you 3 reasons why they don't use graphene and cost and too difficult to manufacture are not it. |
