PC+Dac or Streamer
mgrif104, FWIW I was using a simple laptop
running jriver and outputting USB near the stereo and with my music files on a small portable HD. Control was on my phone. The sound was fine. But I got a NAS so that I could centralize my music and also do programming and ripping from a desk-top. However when accessing the music via wi-fi the SQ suffered. So I did drill through a floor and set up an ethernet cable to the laptop. Even though the cable goes through an ethernet to USB device at the laptop the sound is at least as good as originally, and probably better. As usual YMMV. |
@mgrif104 It sounds like your issue is more of a networking issue than a Bluesound issue. When I moved to a new place where I couldn't run a long ethernet cable like I did before, I switched to wifi operation and because of the distance between audio room and the router, I had intermittent trouble. While not as good as the suggestion to run ethernet cable thru the house, in the interim, this might solve your wifi problem, it works for me. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Y3QYTS6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Theoretically, I don't like the idea of making all the copper wiring part of my rig, but I feel like airborne wifi is probably worse sonically and certainly more troublesome in terms of stability of signal. Cheers, Spencer |
Mahler123 - thanks for the suggestions. As it turns out, running Ethernet to this particular location is problematic so I have been forced to use the WiFi function of the Bluesound. However, I may try to run Ethernet through the floor to the location of the system to improve reliability - and because it would give me additional server options too as WiFi enabled servers are kind of rare. I thought about the NAD M50.2 - as that has local storage and a CD ripper which would generally solve my problem. But I’m reticent to give Bluesound OS more business - and I don’t feel like re-ripping my entire library anyway. FWIW: I reached out to Bluesound’s tech support for input - and they ultimately wanted to remote into my system to sleuth things out. Frankly, while I’m not in IT, i’m not tech illiterate and needing a company to remote into things to solve these challenges tells me their software is not fully developed. So, I restarted the process multiple times and was successful in getting things to work again. And then, for a reason I can’t yet explain, I again can no longer access the files on my network, even though I can clearly see the address of the files in the Bluesound OS setup. I haven’t gone back to redo it again because frankly, I don’t feel like it yet. But, I’ve left feedback for Bluesound corporate accordingly. IT’s too bad because I think overall, the Bluesound Node 2 is a killer device. For the price, it sounds great when using the coax digital out to my DAC. And, the idea of being able to reasonably easily play files on my network, or Tidal, Spotify, etc. all within the same app is very appealing. I think software engineers frequently forget that they work that they enjoy is maddening and/or tiresome to most. I want to come home, turn on music and enjoy an experience I’ve spent quite a few $s to create. Waking up my system to find that it needs an update, or worse, needs a fix to a file sharing request, or whatever, sets me on edge in a hurry. I want it to simply work. Like my Aurender does. I wish Aurender had a WiFi option.... |
I had Sony HAP-Z1ES hard disk player for a few years until earlier this year I tried China-made R2R DAC (Terminator) but later settled with Marantz SA-10 SACD player. Intel NUC with dedicated M.2 SSD for O/S and another internal 2TB SATA SSD for music library plus 19V linear power supply were used as digital audio transport. Intel NUC connected to SA-10 with Curious USB. I also tried many different playback software, both Linux and Windows, free and paid versions (trial), but settled with HYSOLID (free) running Windows 10 Pro, manually optimized. I agree with @n80 comment that sound quality is the best when playing CD/SACD directly. In my system, playing the ripped version from external SSD drive connected to SA-10 is equally good. But I was very surprised using Intel NUC as digital audio transport is very close behind but with the benefit of mobile app controlling albums/artists selection from listening position. The total costs of building the NUC is slightly lower than HAP-Z1ES brand new cost, but the audio quality is so much better. The good thing about having a CD/SACD player with USB Audio input rather than DAC without playback capability is that I know what is the reference sound quality - what’s the best sound I can get when playing physical media or external drive. So I can explore which digital audio transports come close to the reference SQ. However, using DAC only (like the Terminator), I don’t even know what is the correct sound. Buying digital audio transport or streamer to pair with a DAC can be hit or miss, depending on the quality of interface (e.g. USB interface without galvanic isolation can be a problem). My suggestion to @murgeshj if your existing CD player does not have USB Audio input, get a new CD/SACD player with USB Audio input and also with the ability to connect an external drive. You can then continue to play your existing CD collections and new digital downloads. Later on, you can try build your own digital audio transport. Dedicated streamers can be very expensive. Note: the main reason I have to use USB is that I purchased DSD 2x and 4x albums online. I also have SACDs which were ripped. |
I have yet to have any issues with my BlueSound Node 2 either losing my library or dropping out on music, but I've only had it a couple of months. I have a strong wireless router and a wireless access point set up in my rack with a 4 port Ethernet hub that I have my Oppo UDP-203, AVP, BlueSound, and Roku connected to. No issues with any of those devices streaming over wireless, even with Netflix 4K content. I basically did the same thing in my bedroom and home office. WAPs are pretty inexpensive and easy to set up and Ethernet switches are cheap. |
I have never had a problem finding my library with my Node2i but it will dropout every so often. I use it wireless only, way to much trouble to get a wire to my living room. Since I have put the Node on it’s own 5g network ( also make sure you aren't sharing your channel with others in your area )and given it a static ip address I have had a lot less problems with it doing that. If your bluesound device is wired you might try going into the router and doing the static ip address. To the OP I agree with the others who say find a good DAC in your price range and start there. |
Many excellent posts here. I can just add that based on the last post the OP basically just needs a DAC and a music management program. For 2K there are lots of great DAC choices and multiple threads here explored that. I would get a DAC that is compatible with accepting inputs from your CD player (you might find your CDs sounding so much better that you don’t need to stream, btw). I would use dbpoweramp for ripping CDs and Audirvana Plus for playback and adding Internet Radio, or perhaps Roon. mgrif104– I used to have a lot of the same issues that you are having with Bluesound. In my case they were largely fixed when I Ethernet Wired the house. Powerline Adapters and the Bluesound WiFi were both problematic. Have you tried contacting Bluesound tech support? The other trick that always works is powering down your router, NAS, and Bluesound and then restarting them simultaneously. |
I’m going to answer this a bit differently than others. With respect to SQ, my experience has been that a streamer is a vastly better solution than even a tricked out PC. In reality, a streamer is a computer dedicated to that particular function with the extraneous demands and functions (which cause noise, timing errors, etc.) removed. I have two experiences to back this up. I replaced a dedicated, optimized Mac mini with an Aurender server and the sound quality was demonstrably better. I also inserted a Bluesound node 2 into another system to replace a dedicated PC - same result, though it’s not as good as the Aurender. Both are going into pretty nice DACs. With respect to convenience... When they work - all is well. When they don’t (and here I have to complain about Bluesound), it can be maddening. It’s easy to keep a PC up to date. But, sometimes updates there cause problems with the streamer. And, sometimes, for inexplicable reasones, the Bluesound can’t find my library stored on the NAS. The dance to keep it pointed to the right things has become more than irritating and tiresome. It sounds great for streaming and for the library. At the moment, I can stream, but can’t access my library. The setup can be challenging too. So, convenience in my experience? No. Sound quality -yes. |
@murgeshj It's perfectly fine to 'stream' from your PC to your DAC. You will obtain much higher sound quality if you add some 'mini' components/peripherals between your PC and your DAC. There are many options and I suggest a site like computer audiophile to access a broader and deeper field of knowledge than offered on this forum. Also, you don't need to "walk to [your] PC" to select / listen to your music. There are many control apps available. Finally, barring a high level of expertise, which I am assuming you don't have at this time, a standalone network server / player / streamer is probably a 'better' and 'easier' solution for you. All the best. |
For me it's as much about convenience as sound quality. I have a streamer in my office, but I hardly ever use it because it's a lot easier to play Tidal, Spotify, files from my network, etc. from my desktop since I'm sitting in front of it already. I have two such systems, both with good DACs (a Wyred 4 Sound DAC 2 and a Mytek Liberty), and the sound quality is excellent. In my main system, there's no PC sitting in front of me, so I have a BlueSound Node 2. I control that with a tablet (or my phone) and that is pretty convenient. I'm feeding the signal from the Bluesound into an Auralic Vega DAC. The sound quality is better than the other systems, but that's in large part because I also have better amps, preamp, and speakers in that system. You can have great sound quality either way. I would be more concerned about convenience / ease of use and budget than whether one method sounds better than the other. |
This is a big, complicated topic. But, a couple of minor corrections. First, you can still get new music/bands on CD. No problem at all. Now, the production value may not be any good but that is not a new risk. Second, CDs are available CHEAP. Probably cheaper than any other media. Millions available via eBay. Excellent recordings for $2-8. As for SQ, it depends on how picky you are. Low res streaming typically isn’t going to sound as good as a CD via a CD player. Hi-res streaming might sound better than a CD on a CD player if you’ve spent money in the right places. And that can be a lot of money. I use Amazon streaming to a low end DAC to research music. Then I buy the CD if it is a keeper. I rip the CD into my computer and play it via the same DAC. It is VERY convenient and run completely from my chair via iPhone. The whole set-up set me back maybe $150 at most. In the final SQ analysis I believe the SQ is better via CD player than ripped through the DAC. But only marginally. A lot of people will tell you that a Blue Sound Node 2i is a good streaming option. I have not tried it yet. $500. |
