New Turntable.


Thinking Denon DP-29F, TEAC TN-180BT-A3, Audio-Technica AT-LP70X, Crosley C100. Or used SL1300 that is very old. i will upgrade cartridge to VM95SH.

jimbennet

If I would consider a Rega RP1. Maybe save up a little. Should be a step up from your list. They are great starter tables. 

@jimbennet stated  " Or used SL1300 that is very old " which seems to be a purchase being considered?

HiFi Shark is offered to help with used market

 later states " Those are used eBay items. I want new " ??

There are many many TT's recently released and in our budget, why limit oneself to a shortlist of Three Models?

There are many many many TT Models to be considered when having the used market for TT's included in your investigation, options that could be discovered to easily surpass the 3 x TT's shortlisted.     

The Fluance is within the price range of the tables that you listed. It is sold factory direct ( no dealer markup ) with a 30 day return policy. I doubt that you would go wrong with that table!!

https://www.fluance.com/tt/turntables

I encourage you to up your budget to this AT120 model,

https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-AT-LP120XUSB-Direct-Drive-Hi-Fidelity-Anti-Skate/dp/B07N3S4X3P/ref=sr_1_5?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.OoQpsu6xskI-3B7oNv6c8HHap2a5Tm-yrOfbDTr6rIw-98-qE4RWkWydHWwJCk94tmC4vO2trr1gwcJIubUenB0-6sA4c148IvWCIrByl9wONCixaF4YffjOY54Fj3rAlBuYoI0cfjhz3foswTHvq3TwlK8ezb7qLmwAB1YVY475wJ--Ret5c9Y3Z51hBFZbuCy1TC_UpJ6vjVoGUvYd1SBgyvToBjhAxIoRTTqYEog.2uUARoqAccDNgxEhL8y8Ot795Xy1vgkfpRONRdViyFo&dib_tag=se&keywords=turntable&qid=1755955368&sr=8-5&th=1

Direct Drive, Removable Headshell, (think long, a small collection of cartridges, including a true mono one, eventually MC)

optional internal MM Phono EQ, surprisingly I preferred it to my McIntosh C28’s MM Phono. I had one for years between my Thorens TD124 and current JVC setup. Allows you to calmly search for dedicated MM/MC/SUT phono stage you prefer, and always have ability to play LPs if problems occur.

If you like, many wood surround/base units are made

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/wood-surround-for-audio-technica-at120-technics-1200-and-technics-1210

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I'd also encourage raising the budget for your cartridge, to their VM540ML

https://www.audio-technica.com/en-us/vm540ml

Channel Sep of the 95 is only 23db, this has 28db, and close channel balance of 1.0db. Both work together for excellent imaging, which is all Phantom, relying totally on the cartridge's ability to reproduce the engineer's intentions captured in the grooves.

Cartridge & Stylus
Frequency Response 20-27,000 Hz
Channel Separation 28 dB (1 kHz)
Vertical Tracking Angle 23°
Vertical Tracking Force 1.8-2.2 g (2.0 g standard)
Stylus Construction Nude square shank
Recommended Load Impedance 47,000 ohms
Coil Impedance 2,700 ohms (1 kHz)
DC Resistance 800 ohms
Coil Inductance 460 mH (1 kHz)
Output Voltage 4.0 mV (at 1 kHz, 5 cm/sec)
Output Channel Balance 1.0 dB (1 kHz)
Stylus Shape 2.2 x 0.12 mil MicroLine®
Cantilever Aluminum tapered pipe
Static Compliance 40 x 10-6 cm/dyne
Dynamic Compliance 10 x 10-6 cm/dyne (100 Hz)
Mounting Half-inch
Dimensions 17.3 mm (0.7") H x 17.0 mm (0.7") W x 28.2 mm (1.1") D
Accessories Included Six cartridge installations screws (5mm x 2, 8mm x 2 and 10mm x 2), two washers, two round nuts, non-magnetic screwdriver, brush, lead wire set
Mounting Feature Half-inch mount
Recommended Load Capacitance 100-200 pF
Replacement Stylus VMN40ML
Stylus Size 0.12 x 2.2 mil
Type VM Type
Weight 6.4 g (0.2 oz)

95 is Shibata, 540 is MicroLine

Shibata was the original, developed for the high frequencies involved in Quad LPs. Later variations were changed ever so slightly so they could be Patentable.

The cantilever material advanced into lighter/stiffer materials, construction variations, rods, tubes, tapered tubes, gems, boron, beryllium vapor deposited .... New: I like Boron, and have recently gone back to vintage Beryllium that tracks at only 1.25g. Not for everybody, it means taking a chance on ’used’, or paying more for very old NOS. So far I have gotten lucky.

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/stylus-shape

excerpt from our missing friend Chakster

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The shape of the stylus related not only to the better sound, but also to less record wear and longer life-span of the stylus itself. 

1) Conventional stylus is Spherical/Conical and Elliptical.

2) Advanced styli are: Hyper Elliptical, Shibata, Line Contact, Micro Line, Fine Line, Stereohedron, Micro Ridge, S.A.S., Van den Hul, Fritz Gyger, Replicant-100 .... and more.  

there are different names because of the different registered patent for each of them, in reality some of them are nearly identical to each other but registered under different patent. Look at this image

Advanced profiles are much more expensive."

Actually, when you consider the extra life of advanced stylus, they are more expensive to get started, but over time, NOT as expensive as they seem.

Trade-In programs, and re-build costs also help balance the ’initial’ high cost of MC cartridges, i.e. I chose AT33PTG/II for my 1st MC, and when I suspected it was worn, I sent it to AT, they traded it for a new cartridge for just under half price. Others, I’ve had Steve and Ray Leung at VAS rebuild advanced shapes on boron. 

 

"Those are used Ebay items. I want new"

"Or used SL1300 that is very old."

Uh huh,

 

DeKay

 

 

VPI.  Good solid turntables -- easy setup and durable for the long haul.  Made in New Jersey.  Great customer support too.

This may be a really fun alternative. Lacks the 78 speed that some of the others have, which would take it off the table for me, but most won’t care.

I would not use a radical cut stylus on any turntable that does not have a completely adjustable tonearm, including arm height, YMMV. 

https://fosiaudio.com/fr/pages/fosi-audio-luna3-turntable?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22832264383&gbraid=0AAAAABNZugQzisLLpj87A6tdfdlflabrb&gclid=Cj0KCQjwzaXFBhDlARIsAFPv-u_ExaX8Q_GtbLYtSMA5uFiGSpLFHsarBhi18I6I4mH_2kvqdwH3m4waAkuLEALw_wcB

 

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I bought new Fluance RT-81 for $49 from China with free shipping.. Other sellers were $200 and more.

@jimbennet  "I bought new Fluance RT-81 for $49 from China with free shipping.. Other sellers were $200 and more."

 

Be really curious how someone can sell a  new unit including shipping for $49?  It's  hard to fathom  even a used unit to cost $49 including shipping from China

Good luck with that! Good to believe int the old "If it's too good to be true".

Has the Company behind Fluance not protected their property in production with a Global Patent?

@jimbennet  - No one stated anything about Fluance itself , the good luck was directed at this  'deal" that you are getting - a 'new" turntable including shipping for $49. On paper it makes no sense whatsoever. 

Your statement is wrong. Quite: ' 'The Fluance is within the price range of the tables that you listed. It is sold factory direct ( no dealer markup ) with a 30 day return policy. I doubt that you would go wrong with that table!.' 

@jimbennet   Sorry but you are wrong!  My comment was relative to your response to lig's comment just above . Your comment missed his point which again had nothing to do with Fluance itself it has to do with the specifics of the  transaction. 

Errr, a reasonable person would ask how/why someone would be selling a purportedly new turntable for essentially nothing , and only charging the cost of shipping. But, whatever. Hope you get what you are expecting

'It is sold factory direct ( no dealer markup ) with a 30 day return policy."

Fluance is a Canadian based importer/distributor.

Somethings fishy- highly unlikely the Chinese OEM would openly disclose it being the manufacturer and offering direct to consumer, especially at that price 🤔 

For $49 or your money back, it's not a risky deal.

Perhaps a pallet mysteriously disappeared on the dock...?

The OP will either get the real thing or a Phlewonce- a Chinese knockoff of a product already made in China😂

For the price, the reviews suggest it good.

 

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