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"Imagine if you still had the Boulder monos and preamp…. " Totally agree on that.
"Imagine if you still had the Boulder monos and preamp…. " Totally agree on that.
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In dac summary it sounded like Alexandria XLF might not be long for the room but now it sounds like you’re at a personal best in terms of what you’ve ever had (don’t recall “freaking stoked” ever before). And you only have a stereo amp with msrp under 40k on them. Imagine if you still had the Boulder monos and preamp…. |
@jays_audio_lab Well, I'm glad that the XLF is working out so good for you - wish I could be there but CA to FL is a long way. As I'd mentioned to you in a PM, I thought the Alexx was better. Admittedly only heard the XLF three times and always on different occasions but same dealer with ARC twice and Naim the other time (liked Naim better). And I've heard the Alexx 1s many times and the Alexx V a few times, same dealer but different amps; Alexx with D'Agostino Momentum monos/pre and Alexx V with BAT Tube Rex 3 monos/pre. Seems you've mostly had bad luck with footers. Are the XLFs set up to Wilson spec or just to your liking? |
My XLF didn’t sound great with casters. They sounded like they were out of phase. The bass wasn’t as deep with casters but omg the spikes made a jaw dropping change. This is the biggest change i have ever heard from any speaker I’ve owned. No other Wilson or brand has morphed as much as this XLF did when going to spikes. I've done mpods on mágico and also spikes on other Wilsons and there was a change but nothing like what i just heard. |
Sometimes keeping it simple is better. My Wilson's to me in my room sound better with the casters as opposed to the supplied spikes. Two weeks ago at the audio show i was talking to a DAC manufacture after i noticed he just had a cable from the router to the server and just a Shunyata Omega USB from server to DAC, no switch box and no filters or clocks, he told me that after thousands of hours of listening keeping it simple and the tech employed in the DAC provided the best SQ. This seemed to be the current theme as most of the other vendors had similar set ups. |
Vibee, Thanks for your post on the Violin and Stradivari. The chase for tone goes back centuries and we are part of Jay’s chase now. Musicians thru the centuries have always searched for their own particular house sound. Drummers also chase their own sound. Eddie Van Halen’s quest for tone was one that never ended. Listening to the first Van Halen album one would think, ’that’s it’s. His 'brown sound' is legendary amongst guitarists. But he continually changed what he was trying using new things and different parts in his gear. In a sense that’s Jay. You’d think that with everything he’s had in his home he’d be happy. But here we are today and he’s still chasing tone. Just like EVH. If anyone is interested here is the documentary I found so interesting. Stradivari and Guarneri. 2 of the original tone chasers. https://youtu.be/79-eaaKLsgU |
I agree. I forgot to mention that it has the synergistic research orange fuses installed. Ok so the right word/comparison just hit me with regards to what i heard with the ultra 5s under the XLF: it gave the speakers a feeling of a PA system at times with certain music. That's the best way to describe this. |
Greyhound, I’ve had tubes in my DAC for a few years but this year built a headphone rig. Long story short is that I never thought headphones could rival 2 channel listening. It does and tubes are a big part of that. Whenever I listen to my 2 channel system I think nothing is better, but when I listen to my headphone rig I don’t miss my 2 channel at all. Both do some things extremely well. One interesting aspect of this hobby is ’the gear’ and collecting it. Jay loves that and it’s cool to be part of his journey. Tubes are now a part of my journey and I’ve got a collection of 6922’s and 5u4g rectifiers that seem to be growing fast. Lolz RH67, Congrats on your new Vette! |
Jay, I just saw the new video from today. The presentation of the Evo and Rossini is beautiful. So rich and warm. Recently these have been some of the very very best demonstrations of the ’Jay House sound’ you’ve been chasing since you started your journey. In another post you mentioned you thought the Evo sounded a bit ’dark’. Well it’s a bit warmer than some if the other amps in the Gryphon lineup but the tonal character is gorgeous. Superbly rich. Gryphon has shown it has so many ways to do tone right. Bravo! 👏👏👏 |
Prepare to hear a new XLF soon. I just went back to the stock spikes and removed the stillpoint ultra 5s... The speaker did a 360 in so many ways. The bass is now omg deep at any volume level. It is more musical and warmer in a good way. It sounds far less "hot" as Viber calls it. This feeling of having more "caffeine" in the presentation is now gone. I'm shocked at the change in tonality. I am starting to feel that I'm not the man that enjoys a lot of these devices that artificially enhance the sound. I will go into this in more depth on a future video. For now, just know I'm not doing ultra 5s under the speaker anymore. I'll try them under the DAC , ,preamp, etc. |
No interest in posting videos or trying to convince others to like what I like. I really don’t give a damn what anyone else likes and I mean that matter of factly not in a dismissive or smart a$& way. Plus this thread is not about that. If I did that, all that you and maybe others would do is post other things to try and upstage it, which I wouldn’t care about anyway. As I said, I did all the legwork I needed to before I settled on the speakers, and it was in person listening. I don’t really do piecemeal upgrades. My next upgrade won’t be for a few years and it’ll be wholesale so I’m not looking to improve any particular component in meantime. Not being dismissive because I know you think you’re trying to help but I’m not really looking for any. Well other than the info I pick up from WC’s trials bc my next system will probably be at the DAW/m900u/Bartok level but it isn’t any time imminent. This thread is for stuff way above my current system and the less we talk about the latter the better, haha. I can hear everyone else going, yeah dude! |
kren, Here’s the video from ricevs of the ultra cheap Lil Audio Silver 8 system. https://youtu.be/p_VqDN5-878 On the 1st song, "Way down deep" to me the overall sound is brilliant, sharp and clear. To me, all the selections show excellent resolution and neutrality from the diverse voices and instruments. My guess is you would find the tweeter too sharp and hot, and the voice somewhat cold and sterile. Your Spendor D9.2 looks like a nice design with sweeter midrange/HF than this Lil Audio. What do you think? For only $11K, I see why you didn’t find any speaker to equal the D9.2. To spend $15K or more on the Bartok, much greater than the cost of the D9.2, requires some soul searching, unless you think your D9.2 cannot be beaten at many multiples of the price. All the full range Wilsons are multiples of the price, and perhaps even though they might have more HF detail than the D9.2, the sweet midrange and coherent HF of the D9.2 might be superior to that range in a Wilson. It would be great if you can record this song and post here so we could compare the two systems. Jay, Your latest XLF video with the gold bullets sounds great. There is more sweetness and still the excellent mid/HF detail of the XLF. This could be your winning combination that cannot be beaten by any other speaker for what you want. That Lil Audio system does challenge the XLF, though. I hope you can demo a few of those selections on your XLF. Thanks. |
Jay, I just listen to the new link you posted on my stereo system and the difference is night and day to the one posted previously (new mic). Using the same settings, I went back to hear the previous song again, and it still sounded like before (bad sibilance on the voices). I also used headphones on the previous song, and it wasn't nearly as bad compared to my stereo system. Headphones and my system both sounded good on this latest song. Did you change anything from one song to the other? |
Kren, Yes, for smaller scale music, mini monitors are quite compelling. One additional reason I just thought about is how the drivers are close together, creating better time alignment. Perhaps Dave Wilson was inspired by mini monitors and wanted to create large speakers to utilize this concept. With my medium height electrostatics, I place them close together to obtain tight imaging like my former Rogers mini monitor. What do you think of ricevs' most recent video of those medium size cheap speakers a few pages ago? I'll see if I can post the link later today. chazzzy, Yes, I heard all of Jay's videos using the stock iMac system exclusively. For video 3 of MSB/DCS at work, I used my HP laptop exclusively. That system has less bass and more HF dominance than my home iMac. I was better able to hear the differences using the HP vs iMac. Since I mainly listen for midrange/HF accuracy, I found the HP system to be more revealing. No headphones in either case. I will get out my headphones and see if I can hear the differences easier than with the stock iMac. On violins, the pinnacle of design and results was reached by Strad. He lived to 93 and was still making violins when he died. He experimented with different shapes, thicknesses of the top and back. I played an early 1690 instrument, and mostly the instruments of his golden period from 1700 to 1736. That wonderful 1736 was made at age 92, the year before he died. (There is hope for me as I continue to improve with age.) It is pictured on the cover of a CD/LP from 1987, to commemorate the 250 year anniversary of Strad's death. It is early digital and has some severe digititis in a few spots, but it is live and upfront exciting. It is SCD13 from START (state of the art) Records, released 1988, called Gala Stradivarius Concert, from the Royal Academy of Music Foundation. The entire string orchestra plays Strad instruments (he also made a few violas, cellos, basses). I have both the LP and CD. No later violin maker has figured out why Strad is still king. I have read theories which sounded good. One particular maker claimed he understood the great makers' tuning system of topographic thicknesses of the top and bottom. I played his instrument and wasn't impressed, unfortunately. So SOTA was reached 300 years ago! Sonus Faber is an Italian speaker maker inspired by the great Cremonese violin makers. Their models include Amati, Strad, Guarneri, the greatest families of makers of all time. The violins of Amati appeal to dainty women who like their sweet, delicate sound. Guarneri del Gesu was the greatest of that family, whose sound tends to be more aggressive and bold of them all. I played a few del Gesu's, and hated most of them, although my friend said that the walls were shaking from the power of a del Gesu he tried. The most prestigious violinists tend to fall into either the Strad or Guarneri camp. Some own both, for different music and moods. rh67, Yes, it is good to have a few hobbies so you don't go overboard on any one. The mechanical precision of motorcycles and cars can help appreciation of well designed audio gear. |
@chazzzy0007
Amen . Agreed 100%. I have tried to say this many times but certain people , just will not believe it . They have a Bias against Tubes. |
Yep Rogers was another BBC era brand I forgot to mention and of course the LS 3/5a is probably one of the more famous speaker models of all time. Still loved by many nearly 50 years on. The Brits loved and still do the mini monitors because they image so well and work great in the typically smaller listening rooms of European homes/apartments. This is getting into the weeds but there was actually quite a rivalry in the 70s between the LS3/5a and a competing Spendor design, which was said to be a little more aggressive but probably not quite as popular overall. My “classic” model I mentioned is the SA1, which derived from that old Spendor (same name but different dimensions, see 2008 Stereophile review for more details), and was their flagship mini monitor from 2008 until D series was released in 2015 or 16. I enjoy mini monitors too (though I prefer full range floor standers much more when practical) but if you want music wherever you go bookshelves are great for smaller rooms. So the SA1s are in my office at work. And the D1’s, which just destroy the SA1s sonically in every way, are my bedroom speaker. |
This hobby should be fun but unlike other hobby's what one gets out of it is personal, just by it's nature not everyone is going to be in total agreement. Bottom line should be about the music and not trying to be right or convince others that you are. Personally i have other hobby's i like cars and collect vintage race motorcycles. I have a C8 Corvette coming next month and today i just ordered a Ram TRX. For me having more than one hobby keeps me from getting obsessed in one. This could work for others. I bring this up because i did not log on all day and when i did this evening all i read is three pages of bickering. I read this thread to hopefully learn something and to read what might be coming next from Jay, opinions are fine but it seems some are beyond that. Lets all take a deep breath and get back to having some fun. |
One of the aspects of that violin documentary was the tone chasing and how the age of the woods used made for tone and how Stradivari was just a genius in his violin making. The original violins makers and violinists were the original Gearheads in how they chased tone thru the making and purchasing/playing the best violins. They are our ancestors... 😄😄😄 |
Viber, So you were not even using headphones to listen to Jay's DAC videos? You were able to hear what you did over the stock speakers of the iMac??? Not long ago I watched a really good documentary on the evolution of the violin and the genius of some of the early makers like Stradivarius. Quite interesting. |
pokey77, Oh yes, thanks for acknowledging agreement. Even with different preferences, there was something we agreed about. The more open are the communications, people can realize they agree about more and more. This requires an open mind. I could come over to anyone's house, blindfold them, learn their tastes, and show how I could please them with judicious EQ that suited them. If they want more detail, I could swap their speaker cable for zip cord, and they would beg me where to buy this unknown component for $10-100K which reveals more HF and dissolves veils. "Oh, is there a review of this 500 lb monoblock or cyber plasma cable that I could read to confirm what I just heard?" No there isn't, from the audio press that thrives on presenting expensive things to serve the interests of the audio industry. Now Jay has concluded that spending over $30K or so on a dac is a waste of money, which should be put elsewhere. I say the best speaker. I stlll preferred the MSB over the cheaper Rossini, but the differences were small. You could live happily with either dac. |
Frankly, I am honored to be the subject of so many interesting, insightful and critical responses. I don't try to stir up trouble for the sake of notoriety, but just describe what I hear, putting it into my perspective of long musical and audio system experience. It will be surprising when I now reveal that my approach to live music is somewhat different than for audio systems. This is relevant because Kren's excellent, informative connoisseurship of Spendor speakers reminded me of a few things. I appreciate Kren's taste in the new more detailed Spendor designs, as having the best combination of the sweet classic Spendor sound with the new technology precision. Spendor is a GREAT classic company founded long before Wilson. When I dumped my huge Maggie Tympani 1D, I got the mini monitor Rogers LS 3/5a, and was hooked on it for a few years for its clarity and naturalness. Someone played a Spendor mini monitor for me, and I appreciated its greater beauty even if the Rogers had more snap. I know that few people here are interested in violins, but Kren's taste is similar to my holy grail quest for my dream violin my whole life. I have played a few thousand old and new violins made from 1500 to the present. The few rare, highly prized violins now command tens of millions of bucks. I was transfixed when I played a few of them. At one auction, in my left hand I held and contemplated a gorgeous Amati, made in the mid 1600's. This beautiful looking, sweet sounding instrument was owned by Mussolini. This tyrant at least had great taste. In my right hand I held a Stradivarius, made in the early 1700's. Amati made feminine looking sweet instruments that weren't as powerful as those of his best student, Strad, whose innovative sound was bolder, more powerful, not as sweet. Strad is more highly valued today, because it offers the best combination of everything--power, HF brilliance, and still excellent sweetness. 600 Strads survive, I played about a dozen, and one which was truly special. I think of Kren who seems to have optimized the combination of sweetness and brilliance in his choice of his present Spendor D model. So in my music making, I like the combination of sweetness and brilliance. The trouble is that no audio system approaches my musical experiences as both listener and performer. I regard the live experience as the MUSIC, but view an ideal audio system as merely the passive honest messenger who transparently reveals the news (music), without editorializing the news. I love the colors of the real music, but if the audio system colors or editorializes it, I am losing the real music to an extent. The truth is that all systems editorialize, and I seek the least editorialization. So my quest for the highest clarity and detail in the system is different from my quest for the beautiful colors of the real thing--the live unelectronic music. Chazzzy, I have used several headphones in my regular audio system. My favorite is Beyerdynamic 880, then AKG 1000, Grado 1000. I tried various electrostatic phones--expensive Sennheiser, Stax going back to 1980. I had hoped that the purity of the stat phones would give me the purity of my stat speakers, but the headphone effect is like being in a closet, which greatly magnifies the bass, muddying everything. I have improved the situation by using small cups around the cushions which give me a little distance from my ears, creating a close range ear speaker. Still, the tonal balance is not as pleasing as my in-room speakers. My favorite phones I listed are dynamic ones. Horrors--I have bashed dynamic room speakers while I like these dynamic phones! Why is this? The dirty secret is clever EQ by the designers of these phones to avoid the confining closet effect of phones on your head, and tailor the sound to the designer's liking. Judicious EQ really works in many situations. I haven't used these phones on my computer outputs in a long time, so I don't remember whether they benefit me. Part of this is laziness, but many headphone lovers after initial fascination, get tired of it. We like music in a real space like our room or hall, but don't like it given by intravenous injection with the headphone. I'll get out my Beyerdynamic 880's and listen again. So for all of Jay's videos over the last year or two, I have listened with just my iMac stock audio system. It's good enough to let me hear the differences Jay presented. I wish Kren well on maximizing the potential of his Spendor. If a Chord dac has the precision that opm says, then the Spendor could have that magic marriage of sweetness and even higher clarity, which I enjoyed when I briefly played that great 1736 Strad. Well done, Kren! |
Jays_audio_lab OP4,200 posts06-25-2021 3:31pmIf you all are itching to burn cash, just send it my way instead of buying redundant stuff... I'll put it to better use in here ☺️ Says the guy who's bought and sold 2 million plus in gear. 😄😄😄 Props to what you do and for putting up with all of us in here bro. 🍻🍻🍻 |
Oh, and yes some of Viber’s post are crazy weird!!! Lolz 😄😄😄 But you know he’s been on this thread for years. Gotta give him that. Hes stuck in here despite all the criticism. RESPECT. Some of what he posts is also quite informative. His crazy stuff makes it tough to want to decipher which is which though. That’s too bad. ☹☹☹ |
Kren, Yeah, Viber definitely doesn’t have a hearing a problem. I was reading this thread to catch up, and I came across the segment where Viber said he like to EQ his music to raise the treble. First thing I thought was he plays in an orchestra and thru the years lost hearing due to the high decibel levels. How close to deafness must he be? Lolz 😄😄😄 That stuff that he heard though is really hard to hear. I have a good headphone system and good 16-17 kHz hearing and I had to really listen. I was curious about why he heard what he heard vs what you heard which is why I asked what you used to listen. Viber uses a Mac plus simple headphones. I asked what kind. Waiting for his response. |
bach128 posts06-25-2021 4:15pm"He doesn't get it and never will. Too bad for us." bach128 posts06-12-2021 9:08am"WTF ^ This is a thread you started. Guys are passionate about music and gear. You have to be able to take in the praise and accept the criticism. Like you say, no speaker or component is perfect or will suit everybody. Thick skin is called for here." I get it Karen. Check your soy levels. |
I actually think Viber is really good at hearing things in music (and maybe chazzy is too), but then he arrives at bonkers conclusions based on his fringe preferences haha. Which is fine if that’s his opinion just don’t push it on all of us. But in terms of hearing things he is good. Or maybe he just writes way more about it then anyone else cares to. That could be it too. Like I said earlier most people just say what they like and maybe the highlights, not a treatise. I think one of chazzys assumptions is that because nobody else wrote as much as he and viber about the dacs that only those two heard so much. Maybe, maybe not. Recall a month ago when people were guessing about Vibers hearing and violins and I said it’s possible he could hear as well or better than most of us. I don’t think hearing is his problem, haha, but by definition any of us odd enough to be on this forum have issues in the societal scope of things, haha (that’s intended to be a joke) |
@ron17 Both M2 and M3 MPods height is adjustable from the top. The M6 Mpods height can be adjusted as well, just not as conveniently. @henry201 I reviewed the M3 manual and it states (and shows a photo) "USING A 1⁄4” HEX WRENCH, ADJUST AND LEVEL THE M-POD BY TURNING THE EXPOSED STUD. WHEN THE IDEAL POSITION HAS BEEN ACQUIRED, CAREFULLY THREAD ON THE M-POD TOP." Both the M2 and M6 manual omit these leveling instructions. Are you saying leveling the M2 and M6 is performed the same way? Jay, sorry for getting off track but as you remember you and I discussed leveling the M6 when you had them. I thought you told me you contacted Magico about leveling the M6 and was told it was not possible. Thank you henry201 |
I submit that no one was "bullying" Viber 2 pages back. They were just asking that often "absolute" opinion that Viber takes is only absolute for himself and no one else. It may have also been that some were wearing thin on the offtopic stuff. I know, I was one of those. And I refrained from commenting, but finally after a few days, asked that that type of commentary be reconsidered/restrained. We all have our reference, but it is OURS alone. Trying to make it for all others is wrong. BTW, Viber6 said something I totally agreed with yesterday and I quoted him about that. Never heard anything about that though. |
jays_audio_lab OP4,200 posts06-23-2021 5:26pm@golfnutz: "What is your set up? What are you using to listen to the videos? Maybe i need to buy the same so i can hear things closer." For those who missed. A number of us are wondering why all the differences in what we heard including Jay. Don’t be so sensitive. |
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zaks, My response was to find out why we saw the differences in listening notes that we did. Viber heard very subtle nuances I didn't think he was capable of. I was shocked. Why couldn't you and Kren? That's why I asked about what you and Kren listen thru. Simple enough. Turns out Viber listens thru his Mac. I asked him what headphones. Simple questions. Viber didn't get upset when I asked. Take the chip off your shoulder. 2 pages before several of you were bullying Viber and the next page I ask what did you guys listen on and you get all insulted. On another forum I post on we regularly post our upstream components in order to help understand what's affecting what we might hear. Sheesh... Way too sensitive. Lolz 😄😄😄 |
@zppr Thanks for that. I came so close to purchasing the Bartok before I went a different direction. I love the richness tubes add to my Modwright Oppo DAC. Such a rich beautiful presentation. I've read and heard the Tambaqui (not live) and although a strong performer, I think it might be too lean for my headphone system though not for 2 channel. Jay said something very important in his final video about DAC upgrades and about whether yoy are happy with what you have. That gives me pause... |
had to look up soy and rofl I will say that I have found the right tubes in the Pacific DAC can be equally transparent with more dynamics, better imaging and soundstaging compared to my previous ss DAC. BUT, I can believe that a ss DAC at the Rossini level could result in a lower noise floor than a tube DAC at a similar price point/build quality. And potentially that additional detail Jay mentioned. I have heard this in comparisons of the TotalDAC D1-12 mk2 vs the Pacific w the tubes I use for instance. |
chazzzy007, My post pointed out the lack of a decent/humble response from you, and you are continuing on that path - first with requesting equipment lists, and now with the sensitivity thing. What' you are not understanding is that this not about sensitivity - it's about your character. Your posts of avoidance and lack of decency/humility speak for themselves - nothing to add. Dave |
Rbach126 posts06-25-2021 1:48pm@chazzzy007, You are a know-it-all. Lolz More soy... Do you even have a system? ROFL 😄😄😄 |