My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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Spoiled by Karma sound, Fyne not to my liking, too 'metallic' (like licking brass :)...
M. 🇿🇦 
I auditioned the F704s with the Boulder 866 integrated at Suncoast on Friday afternoon for two full hours and bought them on the spot. I find them to be incredibly musical, excelling with all kinds of music. As always, YMMV, horses for courses, and so on.

For anyone considering them, I recommend making arrangements to hear them and not rely too heavily on Youtube videos or audio forum posts to form your judgment. They are special.
@waltersalas  Ahhh so you’re the one Mike was referring to in his video on the Fynes. Congrats! 
Walter will you use sub(s) or just the 704’s ?

in regards to your choice of 866, did you compare it with any other integrateds and if so which?

edit: oh maybe you only bought the 704’s and not also the 866. Not clear from post (depends whether your use of “them” meant speakers only or also amp demo’d) but I assumed both initially but on second read you maybe meant just speakers.....
I find it hard to believe that some are saying they like the sound of the Karma/Boulder over the Gryphon/M6. From what I'm hearing it's not remotely close. And this latest vid is 'wow' good. But again...to each his/her own.

I thought the Fyne/Classe combo was very good but was a bit too lean and bright. A pair of AQ Dragon PC's might just balance out the sound....for me anyway.
The Fyne 704 has some design features with objective technical characteristics that correlate with the excellent midrange/HF neutrality and resolution.  The tweeter compression driver has its own small horn, which enables high efficiency.  For a given SPL output, the excursion of the tweeter is less than for a non-horn tweeter, enabling lower distortion and greater purity.  Also, covering the range down to 900 Hz is another factor accounting for the speed and purity.  Jay has not liked the horn speakers he heard in the past, calling them "shouty."  This Fyne speaker is probably the lowest coloration "horn-like" speaker I have heard.  One tiny caveat--the tweeter appears to be at about 44" height, which is higher than ear level of about 39" sitting straight up in an average chair.  Even though the horn radiation pattern would give excellent dispersion, it would be even better for full HF perception to sit on a higher chair. 

The top F-12 has even better coverage of its tweeter down to 750 Hz.  Its titanium material is probably better than the magnesium for the 704.  I also like the brilliance control for 2.5-5 kHz, for customization.  (The flexible adjustment with resistors for each driver in the Wilson Alexx is also a great feature).  I hope Jay does a video of the F-12 so we can compare these two superb Fyne speakers.  

Who cares if some people think that this thread is advertising for Mike's Suncoast shop?  Mike has a great lineup of products, and he has the highest degree of honesty and integrity.  Even though he may not need the additional advertising here, he deserves the widest recognition.  The pre-eminent NY dealer, Lyric Hifi, is closing its doors for good.  I knew Mike Kay who founded it in 1959.  I bought my first high end speaker, the Maggie Tympani 1D from him in 1978.  The current owner, Lenny B in an interview in the latest Stereophile, said "it was a wonderful life" but young people today with their phones and such don't appreciate quality.  Sad, but true.  Mike of Suncoast is trying to preserve the quest for quality--more power to him.
@t_ramey 
Do you have a link to the video? Needless to say, I really enjoyed the audition. 
@kren0006   No subs for me. Very powerful and articulate bass and I bet it will get even better as the 704s I heard are still breaking in. I found the speakers to be admirably balanced and convincing in all areas.

As for the Boulder 866, I did not have a chance nor really any interest in comparing its most obvious competitors such as the Gryphon, PassLabs, Accuphase, etc., not after I had it in my house for a couple of months and found that it checked all of my boxes.
With the onboard digital, the 866 was just a no-brainer and a bargain. It is also—at least to my ears—a match made in heaven for the 704s.
@t_ramey 
Thanks very much. Yep, that was me. I was lucky to be able to hear the 704s with the same amp I use. I have nothing but good things to say about the entire experience. Thanks to Mike and Suncoast Audio!
Sorry, but I must share this. 
I had no idea there was this footage.
Unreal. look how young they were.
The Synthesizer.. Love it .
One of the best tunes  ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-E7_VHLvkE


Latest Jay's video. High frequencies are not extended enough. Cables ? Recording? DAC? 
Definitely prefer this to Fyne/Classe set up. I hear no 'stupidity' that comes from those.
Serblin: more mellow, excellent bass for size of enclosure.
Fyne: more present and a greater sense of space.
Two thoughts. One - I think the Serblin speakers deserve better amplification and probably cabling too. Another - I personally don't understand the concept of bookshelf speakers except for monitoring.
Delightful surprise.  In several ways, the Franco Serblin is my favorite speaker of all that Jay has presented, for its brilliance in midrange/HF.  Its obvious shortcoming is the mid bass bump which is typical of many of these mini monitor type speakers.  The tiny midrange/bass driver cannot produce any honest bass, so the mid bass is boosted electronically to give fullness.  The resulting incoherence between the thin midrange/bright HF and the mid bass is unacceptable.  This reminds me of the fun I had in the early 80's with my Rogers LS 3/5a, probably the most well known of the mini monitor speakers, and still sought after today.  Back then I hadn't discovered the utility of EQ, so I just lived with the mid bass bump in return for the accurate midrange/HF.  But now with my Rane EQ, I would reduce the mid bass bump to achieve decent coherence, and have a nice time enjoying a lot of music with little bass.  In a very small room with the EQ to give coherence, the bass might be satisfactory, enabling excellent enjoyment of a lot more music down to 70 Hz or so.

The Hegel is good amplification.  Another amp or cable wouldn't make much difference.  A tube amp would create a more mellow balance, but it wouldn't correct the big problem which is the mid bass bump as a deliberate design to obtain fullness from a tiny speaker.
" Another amp or cable wouldn't make much difference ". 
This is a bold and almost certainly incorrect statement.
Hegel integrated sounds so-so to me.
whitecamaross

I am looking forward to the Reference cables/cords headed your way!

Happy Listening!
inna,
Please listen to the Franco Serblin (FS) carefully. The opening lower freq instruments are bloated and muddy compared to the clear voice and upper freq transients. I prefer the highest midrange/HF clarity of the FS to that of the Fyne 704, but the larger speakers have honest bass which is coherent with the rest of the freq range, resulting in more clarity in the lower freq and overall better musical balance. The incoherence of the FS is a design flaw which cannot be corrected with amps or cables. But EQ is the only electronic intervention that can "correct" the incorrect design.

What the FS does well is excellent. Some YT videos show the Fyne F1-5, another stand mounted speaker. With unfamiliar music, it seems like this Fyne doesn’t have the mid bass bump and might be a better design. It would be great if Jay can present the Fyne F1-5 and F1-12 on this Iron Hand song. Sorry, I know people must be getting tired of this song, but the only way to reliably distinguish products is by using the same song as a reference.

A few reviews of the FS are highly complimentary, but none mention the obvious mid bass bump and incoherence. This shows how many reviews have limited value, because they are "politically correct" and don’t honestly present the drawbacks.
I am tired of the same songs too, but MOST OF YOU come back to complain that you can't compare to my older videos if i play new music. However, i am heading to new music very soon either way. My components have changed so my music needs to begin to transform as well. 
WC,
You just can't win - there's always some who are not satisfied.  If you play the same songs, then some folks want new ones, and vise-versa.  If you play with expensive components, you have folks complaining that you aren't playing with lower priced components, and then when you actually do that (like now), then you get folks who complain that you are not using expensive components.  Not enough break in for some folks, however, if you don't get new stuff to play with, then you get complaints then too.

Can't folks just enjoy your journey without complaining?
:-)
Dave
If there is new music then we just don’t make comparisons to the old gear, that’s all there is to it no big deal. Maybe Jay isn’t asking you to compare to the old system but to start comparing changes in this system. However any comparisons have to have same songs.  So if we’re not comparing then what are we doing. Just listening? Well it all sounds good but compared to what? If you want opinions on what our preferences are then same song has to be there in my opinion. Even in my home system if I want to evaluate a change I play the same piece on both. 
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For comparison purposes, maybe Jay could play 30 second to 1 minute clips of past songs, perhaps 3 or 4 clips, then move on to newer tunes, we can compare to older gear with the same songs and enjoy some new ones as well?
Iron Hand song is fine with me, as is the very best equipment. There are many not too bad speakers but we got Magico M6 over there so anything below it makes little sense to me. But then again I am not thinking about buying anything.
Moving on:

i have received another power amplifier (stereo) which will surprise a lot of you. This is an "affordable" amp in comparison to what i have owned in the past. I will be posting a clip, but i want to see if anyone can guess what it is...
Well without even listening I’ll guess Gryphon Essence. You want to complete the loop on the brand. 
klh007 makes good sense, which gives everyone what they want--

"For comparison purposes, maybe Jay could play 30 second to 1 minute clips of past songs, perhaps 3 or 4 clips, then move on to newer tunes, we can compare to older gear with the same songs and enjoy some new ones as well?"

When I do A/B's and go back and forth, I choose a 30-60 second passage.  Any longer than that, you get used to what you last heard, and comparisons are more difficult.  Judging tone quality in midrange/HF, I can often tell within 1-2 seconds.

@kren0006  may have guessed correctly, Essence $22,900, 99 Lbs, completes the cycle for Jay in Gryphon kit.
Jay, there might be something else out there, probably there is, but tube equipment aside Magico M6 need either top Boulder or top Soulution.
D'Agostino might be preferable by some people, maybe, and Gryphon Mephisto might be alright, maybe.

I am currently messing around with Shunyata Sigma V2 interconnects, speaker cables and Omega powercords. That is what you all heard yesterday (besides the new amp and the dac). You all didn’t just hear a new amp but pretty much a new system with the M6 on this last video.
If you felt the sound went backwards then it may very well be the combination used. I am still figuring things out and playing around with a bunch of cables that were loaned to me. 
Shunyata is indeed warmer than Synergistic (i am sure you all heard that on the video) so it is a matter of reaching the perfect balance perhaps using a combination of Shunyata and Synergistic cables in the system. THIS IS what is HARD as well when it comes to system matching. Changing an amplifier is the easiest thing, but cables are a WHOOOOOLE other animal that takes more out of you. More to come for sure!
Even though it was a different song yesterday, I did feel the sound went backwards, as you mentioned.   Good speakers/components/cabling is one thing, but getting great synergy is definitely another.
Dave
yep, that is the most difficult part about system matching. Cables are hard to match correctly especially if you change a ton of components as i do. 

We are moving away from the same tracks over and over again. It’s done.
Please don’t start asking for the same thing. I’m actually bored myself to the point that i want to just watch movies instead. Can’t keep playing the same thing. Time to leave the same tunes behind. There is more to explore. I am the type of personality that can't do repetitive purchases of anything. I even get tired of habanero margaritas and i love those but if you give me too many then i am looking for cranberry vodka. 
I’m sick of dire straits and sick of the same damn songs you all have been hearing. This is why I don’t buy blu-ray movies. I can’t watch the same movie everyday. I have enough with my daughter playing the same "baby shark" song 24/7.
We move the hell on and begin with new music which won’t include classical music since i don’t have an ear for that and i won’t criticize those who love whisky or classical music. It’s their thing, more power to them.

@inna

I suggest you take a long nap. You are the most critical poster on this thread. Getting a little sick of hearing you whine.
No way to judge the last video since the song hasn't been presented before here.  Even though the recording is dated, this great song is a hit classic and is useful as a new reference for midrange with the voice and sax.  Of course, you enjoy all of your music at home and don't need to keep repeating demo songs for yourself, but for audio evaluations, there is no substitute for repeated hearings of a few references.  The best audio quality song was "Perhaps Love" (or something like that) which you presented about 1-2 years ago.  This is a true reference for female voice.
inna6 - Your posts are snarky and a tired yarn.  You have been called on this before.

You might practice what you preach - and be nice.