My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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Don’t take this too seriously WC. Your thread , reviews, style, and gear are still very much in a class of their own... It’s just that , in this case, to be able to say the Mephisto is more transparent and resolving  than the Colosseum needs them to be compared with the same speakers, that’s all I’m saying,





But that isn't all you said, is it.   You went on to say that his ears are damaged and can't be relied upon:

" ...  AND listening at those levels for years makes your judgment on transparency and resolution to take with an enormous grain of salt. We would be far much better served with someone that has owned a moderate listening level system for years with ear drums in a more probable better shape... "

I was going to suggest honing your people skills (and memory).  Since it appears that you have almost no people skills, you should devvelop some.  Post haste. 




Jay - Scaena is based in Plantation, FL. 

I think the poster was referring to your proximity to them (same state).
inna6 - Your posts are snarky and a tired yarn.  You have been called on this before.

You might practice what you preach - and be nice.


"... I have never owned a speaker that sounds this close to an electrostatic/panel, but with dynamics ... "

Definitely the Giya G1 Spirit.
Like another poster just said, you do not own this thread. You have to live with different opinions as long as they are respectful.
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Firstly, it is imbecilic to continue to take Jay's post as saying he was the owner of this thread.   Did you miss the fact that he referred to the moderators as the custodians and disciplinarians of the thread?  Any common sense reading would indicate that he was/is the sponsor of the thread.  Clearly he doesn't own/possess anything here.


Second, it is also disingenuous to attempt to characterize/cloak personal attacks as opinions.  Nice try.  
ricevs

It is rather sad that an adult would take the time to spew such mindless drivel and proclaim that it is amusing.  I hope that "Peace Out" signals a permanent exit.
Yes.  Supposedly this is Jay's thread - describing his journey, how he is going about it and what he finds along the way.   Get on the train or not.

Instead, a few seem to using this thread as a springboard for flatulent prose and imposing their thinking upon others.

 And the premise "If you don't like the post, ignore it" is a red herring.  There are many instances where the post(s) should not have been there in the first place.
pokey77, bvdiman and speedbump6

Thank you for saving me the time of having to post similar observations.

techno_dude's mantra and repeated flogging of this issue is bordering on the aberrant.

I couldn't care less what, if any, arrangements Jay may have with anyone.
Why would someone care ?

Take the flea-powered, high sensitivity, inexpensive sales pitch somewhere else.



I suppose every thread attracts an antagonistic troll, fixated upon one thing or another.   Someone must have turned over a rock.  Sad. 

speedbump6

But he does enjoy attacking Jay, being a naysayer and fomenting discontent.  If you look at his posts (and yes it is stomach-turning), you will see these elements.  Sad.
This thread has been used by some as a vehicle to create advertising/exposure for certain products.

mrdecibel

In the end, that is the way it has to be.  Unfortunately, your words of truth are lost on individual(s) incessantly attempting (unsuccessfully) to impose their views upon others. 

Jay - Do you fact check information before you post something authoritatively? 

 

"I tried to buy those 888 but they are 120k and unfortunately there has never been a single pair sold in the U.S. all of them are headed to Asia. Simaudio called them "888" not only because of the power but also because #8 is said to be a number in Asia that brings good luck. It is clear that simaudio didn’t make these for North American buyers. Boulder 3050 is also an amp that usually heads out to Asia. Not many 3050s in the U.S. (boulder said this to me)

I believe the simaudio 888 are probably awesome amps and who knows, maybe they best Mephisto monos or boulder 2150?

The issue is that the name makes it hard for big spenders to buy them. The name attached to those 888 doesn't make these buyers want to pull out their credit card. 

You can't make a Range Rover autobiography owner sell his truck in order to buy a luxury Lexus even though the Lexus probably outlasts the range Rover. The name isn't Range Rover and yes, people pay more for the exclusivity of the name. 

Yes, it sucks but that's the truth often times." 

Your activity has gone far beyond "if you don't like it, ignore it."

The fact that you have repeatedly regurgitated this mantra every time you are called on your behavior demonstrates that you are out of sync.

Your inability to step back and look at what you are doing is the culprit.

Start your own thread.  Go to chat rooms.  Be somewhere else.

 

You are not the boss either.  Your proposal is based on sour grapes; nothing more.

Are you seriously suggesting that anyone who renders an opinion about what they hear then needs to make a video of the same song using their system?

Start your own thread and advertise to your heart's content.

No good deed goes unpunished Jay. 

Quibbles with your music, electronics, cabling.  Monotonous attempts to impose points of view upon you.
" ... How do you know that there aren't plenty of people reading my posts, but don't bother to comment on this thread because they are turned off by disrespectful groupies here?"

Wishful thinking.

I guess anyone who tires of ad nauseum dogmatic postings is a groupie.

Since the premise is ridiculous on its face, I think Jay did this to stir up the pot.  Jay, why don't you just do your thing and let others create controversy?  Do you really think we are so obtuse that we can't figure out what the reviewers/you tubers have been doing?   

zprr
Agree.  This is muddled at best.

Mr. Resnick, while giving courteous and informative responses, has not stated whether Jay is or isn't banned, whether Jay did or did not violate a WBF Term of Service, or whether he is free to post on WBF.

viber7
It is bad form to post rank speculation.



kren0006

This is show business, as are the many subtle (or not so subtle) cues.
viber6

I'm sure ricevs is crestfallen that you don't want to do any business with him.

Further, if the culmination of your level of musical/natural sound understanding or experience results in the use of zip cord and an equalizer and a lack of warmth or bass, your self-proclaimed expertise is suspect.

shannere - Amen.  This is exactly what has been happening.  The points raised are spot on.

Jay - You should list the entities you have a commercial affiliation with (i.e. Stromtank, et al.) in a central location and keep this list updated.

"... I will have pricing options on my site.....I am not making money doing this........just very excited to let the entire world know. I will be posting links to my page all over the universe.....you NEED to do this!

Inverter Power (tweakaudio.com)"

You repeatedly use this thread to hock your wares and link to your site - taking advantage of the numerous viewers/posters.  Your latest foray is more blatant than most.  When you are called on it, you respond with gibberish.

At best, your behavior is discourteous; at worst, it is mercenary.

 

Man, what is with you?  How many times are you going to ask to go to Jay's house?  No wonder you got banned.

Administrators - Please ban this guy for an 11th time.

The about face in favor of the Luxman doesn’t make sense. 

During the October 11 video with the 3 listeners in the room, it was clearly stated that the Gryphon was superior.   The claim that Jay was soft pedaling because the owner of the Gryphon (his friend – that Jay steered toward the Essence) was is the room is nonsense.  If you listen from approx. 11 minutes until the end, this doesn’t sound like soft pedaling.  And what about the 3rd participant who was also  in the room?  There was no doubt which one he thought to be superior either.

In the video regarding the poll results, Jay basically says that he wasn’t sitting in the right place while in the room for one of the amps, and, therefore, had to go back and listen to a recording via headphones – and only then did he realize that his conclusion, and those of the other 2 in room participants, were wrong.  This rings hollow.  In the room wins every time.

The about face was poll driven. Nothing more.

By the way, based upon the video, I preferred the Luxman also.

Too many variables.  No reference point.  We still don't know from listening to your videos how the B 3050 compares to the 3060.  It is impossible to make an informed judgment about the new cables.  Different songs.  In order for us to tell anything, you would present the same song on the B 3050 and 3060 (not able to be done if you have already sold the 3060) with the Transparent loom, and then with the new cables.  If you have sold the 3060, present the 3050 and the rest of the system with Transparent, then with the new cables on the same 1-2 songs.

Jay - You may not like the way the message was presented, but that doesn't mean it is wrong.   You have now issued 3 videos on the "New" cables without an apples to apples comparison to the Transparent. 

If one is asking how the cables sound in the videos, that is one thing (Sounds good to me).  But a comparison with another brand is problematic. 

If you have already made an apples to apples (same songs/equipment/amps) comparison of the mystery cables with the Transparent on your website, sorry for addressing it here.

In conclusion, labeling a contributor of $16 and $25 each month as Low-Fi and Mid-Fi appears to be condescending, and is, well, Low.