My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


jays_audio_lab
I don’t think it would be an Accuphase. Their amps do not have an MSRP of $20,000.
@whitecamaross , Oh, damn....I'm so sorry....I couldn't hear the crickets for the cicadas.....
Please do carry on.....

So the mystery amp was not D’Agostino’s then...cute stuff. I was falling in love with the Luxman 900 and going to make you an offer on yours. Now we have to wait? 😳
For now, you all need to know that the VERY FIRST true challenger of the 900u throne has arrived. :)

Would that be the top Accuphase Amps?  There has always been a split opinion as to who prefers the Luxman and who prefers the Accuphase.  Accuphase give a hint to the sound in their name Accurate Phase..
@asvjerry 
I believe everyone is hearing crickets after the Eminem lyrics you posted above...
"211 pages of opin on the screen...211 pages of screen....

Take one down, pass it 'round....

212 pages of opin on the screen...."

kren0006, it IS like a drinking game....which is why I've stopped by to see "...how long can this go on?" as in the song....;)

Apparently, a 'life of its' own'....*G*

Message me when it hits 500 pages...."That boy ain't nuthin' but trouble.." ;)
Interesting ! You are probably right. I can’t help it but to just remember those amps that come off the top of my head. :)

On another note, has the 900u amp killer arrived ??? Am I listening to the amp that finally puts an end to the 900u long winning streak ?? Possibly... My next video will not show it but I am listening to one of the BIGGEST surprises as far as amps are concerned. A private audition is happening as we speak in my room and oh boy... This thing will break a ton of hearts... All good things come to an end and this amp has shown up right at the perfect time... Yes, it is under $20k MSRP and I think it came to knock the luxman 900u out but will it ? All I can say is OMG it is INCREDIBLE... Soulution-like grip, huge sound, muscular like gryphon and powerful. It is still breaking in so I won’t have a formed opinion until first week in July. For now, you all need to know that the VERY FIRST true challenger of the 900u throne has arrived. :)

Don't message me so I can say what It is. I need to keep it under wraps until I can present it. If you are planning to spend less than 20k, you better keep that money in your wallet until next month :).

I’m watching all the videos again in order bc I think I missed some. 

What I find really funny (in a good, humorous fun way) is several times WC will say something like, “As you guys know, I’ve had hundreds of amps, back when I started I had ....” and then he’ll pause trying to remember all the budget amps he went thru, usually he’ll probably only remember three or four, and sometimes the list varies a bit, but he ALWAYS, and I mean always mentions the same two. (along with sometimes a couple others). 
Trivia:  what two amp companies are almost always the first to come to his mind when he thinks back and starts to list the stuff from the early days? 
 It’s almost like you could make a drinking game out of it. Here it comes, WC gonna list the crappy stuff he started with, you know what’s coming next....always those poor two get singled out. Who has been paying attention?


Ansuz designers used to work at Nordost.  Both Nordost and Ansuz have enormous range of prices, with Ansuz being the worst at their flagship level.  
hi there, 
i have been out of the loop because i am busy with family stuff. I hope to have the time to do a video tomorrow of the different xlr cables i have so you guys can decide what you like best. 

Audience front row vs valhalla 2 vs ansuz c2 !
Been reading about the Cherry line of  amps, seems to be some pretty good comments on those. Specifically the Megachino mkii sounds like you can add a second set of rails for more capacitors also. One of the things that was noticed was even at lower volumes, not that I play at lower volumes often, that you get great dynamic range still. I know with many products it’s lower, but also more muted, you lose some of the dynamics, and it’s softer. 
Underwood HiFi has a few GAS mono amps at a great price  might be the cats ass
FYI V Darko has video that compared Chord Dave and Bartok and found Bartok better. Used three sets of headphones to do the comparison. 
I’ve seen other forum posts where a user preferred Dave to Bartok, as could be expected with personal preferences. I think a big advantage for Bartok is the it includes streamer where Dave does not


4425,

Did you try the Chord DAVE, which is reputed to have the best clarity at a semi-reasonable price?
kren0006...i haven’t had the ability to compare dacs in my system. I want my front end to be excellent and DCS fits the bill for me. I assume that side by side the Rossini and Bartok would differ somewhat but I haven’t found that to be obvious in my case but I never had them side by side. My only criticism of DCS is their pedestrian cosmetics. The beauty is on the inside. 
speedbump
I have one daughter who is a millennial. Her and most of her millennial friends wish they had an "Easy Button" for every thing. If they have to expend any time or energy on it to get better results ..... Nope . it is not for them then !
I am in the same camp as you and definitely, the older i get the more I look for the "Easy Button",.. for sure.
Sorry to sidetrack
@techno_dude, My friend John Gatski of EverythingAudioReview agrees and finds headphones are best for DAC comparisons because of the similarities between DACs.
In my experience, dacs are the most difficult audiophile pieces to compare. 
I respect your need to move items in order to have money for the next items. This is all exciting, but it doesn't permit true comparisons which take time.  For example, I anticipate the DCS Rossini will be excellent, but you won't really be able to appreciate the differences with the Vivaldi unless you go back and forth a few times between them simultaneously.  Nobody's memory is that good.  Even if your memory were perfect, the AC power quality can vary a lot more than differences between excellent components.  And now you are throwing many different cables into the ring, so it is tough to do A/B's in a disciplined manner.

Speaking about AC conditioning, I looked up comments on AQ Niagara and Hurricane HC power cords.  A poster named audiofool1 from 11/9/18 wasn't impressed with AQ, but he thought the Ansuz stuff was best for transparency.  So I am glad you got started with an Ansuz cable, and hope you can try the Ansuz Mainz D8 or other series power distributors, comparing with the AQ Niagara and Hurricane or Dragon power cords.
To be sincere and honest, i don't think you can go wrong with anything that DCS makes... i just can't see WHERE you or anyone would be disappointed. My .02 cts. 
Wow 4425, that is impressive praise for the Bartok!  Glad to hear it as down the road I may aspire to that dac.  

Other than Rossini (Which I know is different price point), are there any other dacs in the Bartok’s range you have compared it to (e.g., LUMIN X1, Dave, or others)?
Greyhound, I’m definitely a boomer. If only I could turn back the hands of time to be a millennial 
have had rossini and clock and now Bartok. I have never felt that I’ve missed anything. IMHO
WC,
A simple thing you can do is to sit closer to the speakers.  It is true that having the speakers as far from all walls as possible will decrease the bass.  However, room colorations are lessened in this way, which helps detail and spatiality.  To restore some bass, sitting closer helps.  The speakers LOOK bigger (that's obvious), and the overall sound is bigger--everything--bass, midrange, HF.  Of course, if you sit too close, the drivers may not gel, and the sound loses focus and coherence.
I am trying to decide on a Dac myself. Not wanting to spend Vivaldi kind of money unless I find a deal on a used one. But I know I’d prefer one I can use with an app on my iPad for tidal, so would like mqa. As with anyone I’d like to spend less, especially if there is one that outperforms for its price,  but willing to spend more if the difference is worthwhile. I’ve found very few that do MQA and I’m still a bit muddy on understanding which ones have the ability to play using an iPad app. Most seem to require using a roon server, which I have zero desire for at this point. Tried roon on my computer and it was just more complicated than my level of patience allowed for. I admit my level of patience is low if it dosnt work right off the bat
Vivaldi vs Rossini....hmmm I am listening to the Rossini right now and it is indeed a great topic. i will need to talk about this in the near future. 
how much better is the Vivaldi? 10%? 30%? 60%? ??
I think rear ported speakers are designed to have a boundary behind them. I know that they are not supposed to be too close though. Just food for thought.
Below is from the KEF website

  • Ported (also known as bass reflex) speakers are designed to enhance the bass response of a loudspeaker through a series of calculations involving cabinet volume, cabinet filling and woofer response, among others.

    Typically, bass reflex speakers offer enhanced bass response over closed box designs. The downside to ports is that at lower frequencies ‘smearing’ takes place due to the lessened transient response of the design. This smearing is reduced or eliminated through the ‘tuning’ of the port, cabinet size and volume of the loudspeaker, hence the common name ‘tuned-port.’ Another drawback can be the phenomenon referred to as ‘chuffing’ where air turbulence in the port can actually be heard. A well-designed port addresses both issues.

    Where the port is placed is the result of a lot of different considerations, not the least of which are visual aesthetics and optimal use of the real estate available on the front baffle. Bass energy moves slowly and takes a large amount of physical space to unfold, so the few inches from the front to the back is negligible: For all intents and purposes there is no difference between a rear- and front-ported speaker.

    They both do the same thing – use the energy created by the woofer when it moves backward (or ‘in’) to make the bass response of a loudspeaker more efficient. To take that one step further, all speakers (rear-, front-ported or closed box) will be affected by their relationship with the nearest boundaries. Bass energy radiates in all directions from a loudspeaker and so it is (to varying degrees) always affected by the surfaces around the cabinet.


  • Farther Is Not Always Better

    Farther is usually better, but don’t ignore the improvements that can be made by moving your speakers closer to the wall. It seems unintuitive but depending on the frequencies you’re having trouble with you may actually clean up some reflections by moving your speakers in the opposite direction of what you think is best. Exactly what the affected frequencies are depend on all the things we’ve been talking about. You’ll never narrow it down to a single octave or band as that will change constantly, but you will be able to dial in a good compromise..


That is an accurate representation of what is happening in my room with the DAW and the Focal Scala EVO when i had them. I never tried it with the Alexia but maybe this would be different with the Alexia and i could successfully practice your recommendation. 
I started my rant, based on the comment WC made " I sit near the rear wall, which enhances the ooomph factor ", or something like that. I said my piece....enjoy on !
i understand. As i said on my previous post, i have done the work in my room and determined that where i am seated provides me with the best balance i can achieve given the speakers i own. I am also doing pretty much near field listening since i am about 8 feet away from my speakers in a perfect equilateral triangle. I also think that going into a studio would NOT automatically mean the sound will be to your liking. Accuracy isn’t always the "preferred" way to go and i sincerely doubt ANYONE here has "accuracy" within their corresponding rooms. Trade offs are indeed part of the hobby and it is up to each person to decide what they can or can not compromise with.
 For me, i can’t have just clarity and detail and then each time the bass is supposed to hit all i hear are crickets so i compromised and got closer to my rear wall and it just so happened that i gained not just more bass but also much more depth and sound that seems to come from behind the speaker cabinets.
i remember trying for hours and hours and hours to position the focal and then the wilsons and the more far away i got from the rear wall in my room, the thinner and less impactful the sound was. I must have done this probably 10 different times and i always ended up getting closer to the rear wall.
Listen, I have been on your side, since the beginning, and I am a subscriber to your youtube channel. What I am saying to you, has nothing to do, really, with the equipment, but, with room acoustics. You can experiment, with a desk chair, which is a way to change " your " location in the room, relative to the speakers. You can leave them positioned the same distance from the rear wall behind them, but maybe, you will need to move them a bit closer together, and change the toe in. It is all experimental. You will be listening " closer ", but I promise you, they will still disappear. What you will notice, with a nearer field listening situation, is a sharpness, a quickness, a tightness, a cleanliness, that you think you are hearing, now, but, you are not. That rear wall, being close to your ears, is coloring the sound, as you admit. Isn’t that the reason, people buy the gear, to get the neutrality that they want, the accuracy they want ( yes, color, as well ). Get the room, out of the equation. Simply try experimenting. If you look at many of the top sound rooms of listeners here, on their photo pages, most have their seat away from the back wall. Every recording studio I have ever been in ( admittedly, it has been a while ), the engineer is sitting close up ( near field ) to the monitors, and far away from any and all room boundaries. Buying expensive, better gear, should be more of a reason, to take this approach. What do you have to lose, except some time, muscle ( which I know you have ), and truly finding out, how stellar, your system is. You can always go back to the way it is. Why not, ask others here, for their opinions, although, unless they have experienced what I am suggesting to you, it will mean little. I do not have a degree or a doctorate, in room acoustics ( never claimed that I did ), but I do, have many years, of actual experience. I wish you well, always. This, will be an education, for your ears....I promise.
All my walls are treated including the ceiling. My room has zero resonance or echoes or the feeling of bass bouncing around the room. 
I sit close to the rear wall in my listening room but I use 4 Stillpoints Apertures on that wall. They do a great job of removing a lot of the room from the music without sounding too dead. I have read a lot of erik_squires posts also. Erik highly recommends GIK room treatments and EQ for problem (too much) bass. Sitting close to a rear wall doesn't always equate to bad sound....if the wall is properly treated.
Here is the one issue,
The sashas need room behind them. If I do the typical "living room set up " with the Sasha’s then the SOUNDSTAGE collapses. Wilson needs space behind them to sound best.
Also, I did the exact methodology cardas has outlined on their site and this puts my Wilson’s at about 6 feet away from the wall behind them..yes even the wife asked why are the speakers so far out etc. I’ve played with all sorts of positions with these speakers and the focals and I always end up hearing far more depth and "surround sound " feeling when they are as far away as possible from any wall. To your earlier point, I definitely have the room to do anything I want and this is exactly a perfect example of it. No need to make the room look like a living room with the speakers 2 feet away from the wall behind them etc. Also, the wall behind me helps a speaker like this give it a little more muscle. I don’t want to use subwoofers for music so that isn’t an option because it complicates things unless I was using a magnepan then sure I would use subs.
Maybe one day I will do panels and bring subs.
Anytime I tried the Sasha or focal 2-3 feet away from the rear wall and me moving up closer where I am about 8 feet away from the wall behind me I hear no Bass, and a collapsed sound.. maybe my room needs a big speaker with bigger drivers for more bass. Let's not forget I had the sasha 2s before in the living room and I heard no Bass... But I was seated about 13 feet away from the wall behind me...
WC.....all well and good....but, getting our ears, away from the room boundaries, as we do with speakers, has been a philosophy I have followed, for the 50 plus years, in the industry, as a consultant, and as a listener. Look at the thread " I can prove your room is bad ", by eric_squires, under the speaker threads. You are in the minority on this subject.....People usually do not have the luxury of sitting away from a rear wall, based on the room size / decor, etc.. You, I believe, have this luxury. This is no different, than going to Carnegie Hall ( just as an example ) and looking for that sweet spot, that perfect seat. No one will " want " to be in the back row. I guarantee it. again, ymmv.....Please, no offense, but...you are still learning, and, cannot take criticism, or accept opinions, that might actually be, correct. I will leave you alone know.
Sounds good. To each their own !
I present what I have going on and what I find works or doesn't work. Let's also not forget that a lot of people here come to form an opinion on systems that they only have seen on pictures. For instance, how many have actually heard a Martin Logan neolith with PROPER AMPLIFIERS? How many have heard gryphon with Wilson audio ?

The truth is that as you move up the ladder you also continue to learn and what worked for you in your earlier "cheaper" system might no longer work with a more expensive system. 
If you for example are running a 20k system, it is difficult to come in and "advice " someone who is running a 1/4 of a million dollar system UNLESS you have previously owned a system that expensive and you now have downsized or you have made a living setting up systems of big price points. 
I remember owning systems that were far less money (as you saw on one of my videos) and today I realize how far behind I truly was. How little I knew when it came to cables, power conditioning, etc etc. 
I always go back to the car analogy: it is very hard to tell a Ferrari owner how to drive a Ferrari when you have been driving a Honda Civic type R... Granted, I've owned both types of systems in the past so this is why I feel somewhat qualified to express myself as I am. Hope this makes sense. 
I like bass, as long as it’s very good bass. I think I’ve decided to use the ReL 25s I got with the Sashas in my setup
WC, by sitting near the rear wall, you are, and seems happily, adding room coloration to your system. I have " never " enjoyed having my listening seat close to the rear wall, and in fact, it helps in eliminating " the room ", as part of the sound system. I find it interesting, actually, with the money you have spent, on the gear, and the room, you enjoy the rear wall " enhancement ". Not my thinking, but you know what you like, I think. Always, Enjoy !, and be well. MrD. 
Kren 
I don't really feel the need to have more bass. I feel like the Sashas have sufficient bass as long as the partnering gear is good. I also sit close to a rear wall which help enhance the oomph factor. 
I heard the alexx and the bass was ridiculously deep. 
WC,
Do you ever consider adding one or more top REL subs (G1 Mark or No. 25) to your music system to supplement the DAWs at the low end?

Or is that something you think completely unnecessary and wouldn’t consider?

My dealer displays Alexx and says even they can benefit (marginally, but definitely benefit) from the best Rels.

I know you have a couple of the budget ones for your HT setup, but I don’t remember you ever blending serious subs with your music speakers.
4425,
Interesting that you consider the Wilson perhaps less detailed, and warmer than the Magico, which is why you would pair the Dag with Magico and Luxman with Wilson.  That correlates with why WC is leaning toward accuracy in amps and cables with the Wilson.  With the Magico, he wanted to warm it up.
Best analogy i can offer is based on what I’m hearing the Dag would be extremely compatible with Magico and the Luxman combo with Wilson. However the Dag’s midrange is awesome and you’ll find that the overall detail can be stunning. It’s all there but the HF region is not as pronounced as on the Luxman. On the other side of the equation the Luxman sounds somewhat leaner than the Dag. Both are really really good but the $12000 disparity in price is not evident. IMHO
4425,
Thanks, very informative.  I guess the compactness of the Dag Progression Integrated is the major factor in your decision to get it.  Despite my tube-like and whipped cream comments, they are only relative to comparisons to other equipment.  I did have the Luxman 600A Class A amp for a month on loan and can say it was quite neutral and nice.  

The midrange is the most important of any component because it is where most of the melodic content lies.  Since you like voices, which are mostly midrange, it makes sense that you value the midrange quality of the Dag.  But to fully appreciate the total sound of the voice and other instruments it is necessary to have full HF extension and detail to capture the overtones of the midrange.  In real life, the voice and other instruments may sound a little raw and unpleasant if they are too loud, or you sit very close in an unamplified  setting.  Things like Dag sweeten these sounds, but the Luxman is more true to life.
Viper 6 the comparison in my system was definitive. The Lux combo was, as stated before, outstanding by any standard.
The Dag is considerably fuller sounding and a little less ‘shiny’ up top. The best analogy is that the Dag in my system is what many would consider very tubelike. The Luxman is more dead neutral to me and might suit more speakers. 
In terms of pure high end musicality they are both on the same plane making the Dag a ‘value’.
 I didn’t sell the Lux combo in order to buy the Dag. It was a personal situation but the overall form and function of the Dag leaves me quite pleased. BTW I use Wilson Yvette’s.