My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


jays_audio_lab
Magico and Wilson could not be more different. 
During my time in the Army, i learned to like Dr. Pepper after seeing my buddies drink it all the time. Today, i still like it, but i don't think i would given it a shot if i had not been in the military. (yes, for those of you who might not know Dr Pepper is a popular soft drink in the military). 
With that said, liking Magico or Wilson is no different. I have noticed that some folks go on an all out assault against both brands, but they have not owned either?  
I have been very vocal about taking audio shows with a grain of salt and not assuming that what you hear there is what you will hear at home. 

To me, and excuse me for being blunt here, the most qualified feedback i can get is that which comes from an actual owner or former owner of any particular product (audio or non audio-related). I don't really want to hear from the person who has not spent time with the item (and again this is no disrespect). 
If i wanted to learn more about what it is like to be a doctor, i am not asking the nurse; I am asking a doctor for feedback as to what he/she does on a daily basis and what are the challenges of his/her profession. 
Lastly, and this is something that i am sure most of you know, but i will go ahead and say it, when you see someone bashing or hating on ANY product, take a look at his/her system and who they are and 9 times out of 10 you will have your answer as to why they feel this way. 
I like the post of henry201 just above,

"I just looked at the soundwave of this song, it’s compressed as a tortilla. There is also nothing ’real’ in this recording, no acoustic anything, even his voice is processed to a T. Magico is a fine wagyu steak, not a burger king whopper, you will hear it like it is 😐"

Still, whatever musical information is in this processed recording, DCS and Magico reveal more of it.  As in other matters of life, appreciate the positives and ignore the negatives.

Not just tweeter, the whole thing appears to be wrong, we'll see. And that slippery carbon fiber..
Wilson is real macho stuff, Magico is hi-tech 'digital' silicon whatever.

Hurt back..
I don't think it is going to be top Boulders, that'd be $250k retail, but maybe Mephisto monoblocks, or DarTzeel or..I don't know.
I like Wilson's and some Magico's but the last video sounded very artificial IMHO. Was it the very revealing tweeter? Maybe but still not my cup of coffee.
Just wait...i have already purchased 2 amps and preamps that will go toe to toe in about 3 months. 
Then hopefully by Christmas i can do the biggest amps ever... (My back hurts)
Spoiled by Boulder and Alexx, yes.

Can't wait to see where this new ride goes. I'm sure WC has great things in store for us all. Hopefully better digital too.
This is awesome that you guys have preferences. The mágico guy will hate wilson and vice versa. Meanwhile I am just here trying to enjoy both and take notes. Both have strengths and weaknesses and i will go over those in a future video. 
I have love for both but in different ways. I understand both camps 100%. I couldn't ever tell a mágico or wilson owner they are wrong for choosing either speaker. 
For now, stay with me, keep riding and let's keep going forward. The ride should be what matters and not the destination because the destination might never come. 
It wouldn't occur to me to match dac with speakers, but why not ? It does occur to me to sort of match phono cartridge with speakers, though.
Yes, I already admitted I was spoiled by the Boulder.
I think, Wilson camp and Magico camp will remain as separate as ever. And yet another camp don't accept either.
So basically you are saying, the goal was to show your audience how crappy those M6 could sound.

Just kidding you WC. We can hear the highs crazy resolution. And sure the Magico M6 do sound great and have a lot of potential.
Guys,
Dcs uses wilson alexx at the factory... Dcs is built around wilson Audio so yes you heard excellent synergy. Alon Wolf (MAGICO CEO and lead engineer) uses MSB....
These are minute details that are overlooked and most importantly with what was arguably MAGICOs best speaker up until the M9 was released.
You hear everything with this speaker. If the source is bright, you get brightness. If the song is harsh then you will hear harshness.
Soulution is also extremely transparent and with muscle.
Remember, this is the starting point...
I literally grabbed a soulution integrated and a pass labs xp32 and began to play.
I already have the next "tank" in the room ready to inject some juice into the M6.
I’m only playing with pass labs and soulution 530 to entertain you all more than me. I know exactly where to go in order to accelerate and push things to sonic bliss never heard in my room before. I’m giving you  "talk" and creating a reality show for you all to simply present thoughts and opinions. Think of this as the "intermission" for the audience. The main show is months away.
I’ve been doing this long enough to know what to put front and center between the speakers.
Did i not say i was going to go cheaper electronics ? You all got spoiled  by the Boulder artillery i had here. Admit it 😂
So any time over the past year-plus that WC has parted with a Wilson Audio speaker, it has been less than a month before he had a different Wilson replacement. High-end Focal being the latest to be quickly replaced by a new Wilson. 

Let’s see if the much more expensive Magico M6 fares better, but if we are already pointing fingers at dCS Rossini with an external clock that is definitely not a good sign. 

I’ll reserve judgment for now. Interested to see how it plays out. The shuffling of gear is always exciting, and a real kick that we can be along for the ride
Let's just not call each other names. Whatever the reasons, that sounds like crap to me. How much is Focal Grand Utopia, $250k ? Not my preferred sound either, I consider it bright, but that's my preference, I would not call their sound artificial.
I don't really want to comment about digital sources, especially streaming.
There is Zanden cd transport/dac for sale on Audiogon, now that would make an excellent digital source, I guess, never heard Zanden.
And Jay, I said "too digital", I didn't say it about your previous set-ups.
Wilson speakers were alive with any amplification you used, these so far are sort of robotic AI.
I smell magico hatred 😂Hey it happens.... But this also goes to show one thing: people don’t really wonder or stop to think that MAYBE you are begining to detect "digital" characteristics from my DCS due to the magico m6s superb transparency?
How can it be a speakers fault to sound digital/artificial when the source is digital? 
Where is there a report that claims that dcs sounds analog...send me the link...ill take a seat and wait..
Where is the dynamic ?...

LOL,
I just looked at the soundwave of this song, it’s compressed as a tortilla. There is also nothing ’real’ in this recording, no acoustic anything, even his voice is processed to a T. Magico is a fine wagyu steak, not a burger king whopper, you will hear it like it is 😐


No, not edgy and artificial.  Sounds exciting to me, although I haven't heard this recording on any of Jay's previous systems.  Accurate and lively with clarity sounds edgy and artificial to people who crave euphonics.
How can a speaker display dynamics when the song playing doesn’t really have any? .... 😫
I am sure, Jay, that you are going to get very different impressions. Impossible to do but I would compare it to Soulution/Wilson set up. Magico seemingly sound more open than Wilson, though.
Based only on this video I would never consider Magico speakers, as for the Soulution 530 I would definitely try it with other speakers. Kharma, Sonus Faber etc.
This sound as presented and heard thru youtube is very far from real.
Don't like the sound, artificial and incoherent. And too digital. I think, not enough power for the speakers as well.
Not enough power to make an accurate assessment. The 60.8 monos are far more powerful than this Nagra Amplifier. 

inna 

2nd -- Stage III Concepts power cords. Excellent sound, integrates well with other brands (Audioquest Cardas).

Happy Listening!
I heard that Soulution sound excellent with Stage III power cords but you have top Nordost, Audioquest and something else, I forgot what. Should be fine. What do Soulution distributor and dealers recommend, I wonder ?
I think, one can speak of Swiss sound and engineering, not sure of Danish sound and engineering.
It would also be interesting to have D’Agostino Momentum integrated for comparison. $55k for integrated is a hell of a lot of money. Soulution 330 is $22k or so, I think, without phono and dac options. I only heard 330 on youtube with smaller Kharma speakers and some other speakers. Sounded good to me, refined sound, very different from both Gryphon and Accuphase integrateds.
Interesting. I’m here fine tuning the speaker positioning and trying different cables with the soulution before I do the first video of soulution with m6. Should be an interesting video.
The m6 tweeter is 8K resolution, the alexx, Alexia 2 and sasha daw were 4K
Dynaudio c4, alexia 1 were all 1080p in comparison.
I can even hear the "warmish" presentation of the pass labs components and some of the last tiny details being absent at times but i don't know if it is the small 60.8 or the xp32. More components to come around june. Let's play with more affordable gear this month and next month until i begin to push the gas pedal in may and june...
Get ready, in June you will see the world premiere of electronics that nobody has ever introduced on youtube:
Monos with pure class a
Battery powered linestage
Gryphon-like grip and control

I placed the order today and it will all be here in 8-10 weeks... For now, let's do the smaller offerings until we begin to put 101 octane race fuel in here and go full throttle. 
Forget Swiss vs Danish or any groupthink.  It is about the thinking of individual designers, wherever they come from.  From what I read, the older Soulution 700 series was the perfectionist real thing, devoted to accuracy.  Reviews said that the 500 series was euphonic by comparison.  Never heard them.
WC,Looks like you're having fun with all of the equipment.  We finally get to see how Soulution compares to some of the others.
Dave
Basically, you bought the Magico A5 to resale them.

Sure would be great to hear them playing but I agree you would loose in resale value.
@riaa_award_collectors_on_facebook , Only problem with Fidelity Visa is extra fees on transactions outside US.  Even Canada through PayPal.
Capital One MasterCard is my backup.  1.5% cash back on all transactions no limit.   No extra  fees on transactions outside US.   Use to buy amp from dealer in Canada last summer.   With current exchange rates, huge discount buying from Canada.
Jay is absolutely right. If someone really wants to do negative advertising, so to speak, one must be very determined and prepared. 
Anyway, we look forward to hearing Diablo 300 with Magico M6.
I consulted with lawyers. If you handle things the wrong way, it can cost you as well.... 
You can't plaster things online plus the moderators will probably take that down in order to avoid legal action from anyone.  
WC I don't understand, if you were truly scammed and lost $$ why not tell our community by whom? 
Amazon is a monster that will get us all if we are not careful. I can get just about any credit card but I don't even consider Amazon anything. This is modern America, you need a good lawyer, including for substantial financial transactions.

Joecasey,


I also have the Fidelity Visa as a backup. Know why its now a backup?? Cause if you ever have a problem (Dispute) you better hope you have a bottle of Advil around. They will send you a ton of paperwork that needs to be filled out by a certain date etc. They act like YOUR the culprit instead of the victim and you have to prove your innocence.  Thats when I switched to the Amazon Card (5X Points on Amazon purchases  1-2% on everything else).  NO PAPERWORK when filing a claim and they treat you like your the Victim. Sorry to derail the thread BUT it could be important to some going forward.

I have Fidelity VISA CC that pays 2% cash back on all purchases unlimited.  I tied this card to PayPal.   Always negotiate with my 1% cost using CC.   Any problems just contact CC company.

I tried to pay everything with this CC .... $17K DAC, $20K dental work .... VERY seldom wire funds or mail checks.
It should never sound better overall without active preamp. But this preamp must be really good, and the interconnects between preamp and power amp must be as good or better as the interconnects between the source and preamp. If it is not the case than dac direct can sound better.
If you want the very best sound there is no way around, you need great active preamp. Even with analog source, both phono stage and tape deck. Everything should be well matched, of course. Tape deck directly to power amp sounds good, by the way, quite acceptable until you find funds for a preamp plus cables.
So, what preamp did you pick up?  Does it sound better DAC direct or with the preamp?   I know you probably need a bit more time  :-)
Dave
Yeah, this is all very unpleasant, to say the least.
There might be another way of paying. You do it by hiring a lawyer, paying fees and having the lawyer handle the transaction. Lawyers will use some escrow system as well. I personally have never done it but it might be worth exploring. Since you regularly buy and sell expensive stuff, this might be a way for you to stop worrying about what could go wrong. I don't know how much law firm would charge for that but it shouldn't be a lot, not much work for them.
There is an Audiogon member whart, he is a retired lawer, he might offer you an advice too. I talked to him privately about records but not about legal things.
Ok. It’s pretty sad to have to do business thinking in advance that someone could scam you. Its like getting married and doing a prenup because you feel you will be taken to the cleaners. It’s like sleeping with the enemy at that point!
I guess i should think different going forward. I never do business thinking in advance how to do someone wrong. That crap comes back to you in the end. 
I use an AMAZON VISA.  I have won every single time their is a dispute. Several pieces of Free gear since sellers didnt respond including Harbeth SHL 5+. 
Awesome. When you say credit card, do you mean amex lol...i kinda don't trust bank of america cards..

ONLY pay with a Credit Card...then you wont get scammed. Simple as that. If the dealer wont take a CC then just walk away from the deal. Ive purchased stuff that wasn’t as advertised and on MANY occasions not only did I get all my money back BUT I was allowed to keep the gear as well. That wasn’t my intention but if the Seller doesn’t respond to the CC company about the issue with the item the CC Company says you can keep it.

If you use your credit card THRU Paypal and something goes wrong...DONT file a claim with Paypal. Do the claim with your CC Company. They should instantly credit your account. PAYPAL wont and they take their sweet time getting anything done. You'll probably have to show proof in the case of a return that the seller got the item back before you get a refund.  That wont happen with the CC Company.