Maybe being discerning isn't that good for us?


A topic I touch on now and then, I think about what the average person hears, what I hear, and what it means to be discerning. What good is it for us, our community, and the industry?

I’ll touch on a couple of clear examples. I was at a mass DAC shoot out and spoke with one of the few ladies there. To paraphrase her, she said this:

Only with DACs made in the the last few years can I listen to digital music without getting a headache.

I never had that problem, but we both experienced a significant improvement in sound quality at about the same time. Lets take her statement as 100% true for this argument.

On the other hand, I am completely insensitive to absolute phase issues which some claim to be. I’m also VERY sensitive to room acoustics, which many fellow audiophiles can completely ignore.

Lets assume the following:

  • The lady really did get headaches due to some issue with older DACs
  • There really are people very sensitive to absolute phase.

I’ve also found the concept of machine learning, and neural networks in particular truly fascinating. In areas of medical imaging, in specific areas such as breast cancer detection, neural networks can be more accurate than trained pathologists. In the case of detecting early cancer, discernment has an obvious advantage: More accuracy equals fewer unnecessary procedures, and longer lives, with less cost. Outstanding!!

Now what if, like the trained neural networks, I could teach myself to be sensitive to absolute phase? This is really an analog for a lot of other things like room acoustics, cables, capacitors, frequency response, etc, but lets stick to this.

Am I better off? Did I not in fact just go down a rabbit hole which will cause me more grief and suffering? Was I not better before I could tell positive vs. negative recording polarity?

How do you, fellow a’gonner stop yourself, or choose which rabbit holes to go through? Ever wonder if you went down one too many and have to step back?
erik_squires
@cd318...*S* Well put....Life, and the pursuits within and without, tend to align ones’ priorities.....and music can still or engage ones’ emotions about it all....

We, as a couple, don’t always enjoy the same music....which is Fine. *S*
She knows, however, what ’good reproduction’ of it IS. Her 1st husband of a very long time ago was a late-night engineer of a NYC jazz radio station. She came into my life with LPs’ and cassettes...;)

’ Hypercausis’ isn’t remotely an issue; she Knows what she likes, and how she prefers it to sound. Fortunately, there’s a lot of common ground in that we share.....*S*

I prefer a somewhat ’brighter’ HF, but given my age and the environments I’ve been exposed to in life....that’s not a big surprise...

I knew a woman whose ears were so sensitive that creasing a fresh piece of ordinary paper (such as used in your ’puter printer) with thumb and forefinger evoked a response similar to nails on a chalkboard.

Something I couldn’t hear some 40 years ago gave her the ’chills’ and an immediate "STOP THAT!"

Thus, I became quite aware that women can be very sensitive to HF sound....;) And despite that we were lifelong friends....*S* And one to my spouse as well....

So....given the above...’parameters’....I will find a means of making us both happy.

Because we both love it....and deserve it.

Y’all do the same. ;)

Back to U,
J

Great topic, one that I have inquired about and explored.


About 15 years ago I did a demo with a well known band in the Tampa Bay area at a night club.  As an experiment, at the half time break, I replaced all the power chords and cables with audiophile grade chords and cables.  In addition, I put sand filled bases under the mike stands.  The band members were skeptical and the audience was not informed of the changes being made.   The objective was to see if the improvements made a difference in the performance and the reception by the audience.


Prior to the break, the audience was not paying attention.  They weren’t engaged. and were more interested in their table side conversations.  After the break with the changes in place, there was a dramatic difference.   One lady in the audience, who saw me on the stage, asked  me what I had done.   I asked her what she noticed.  Clarity, was her response.  Upon further inquiry, she was a piano teacher and had a trained ear.  To her, there was a dramatic difference in sound quality.   


It didn’t take long for the audience to become fully engaged with the band.  In addition, the band members fed off the energy of the audience.   With this knowledge, I became an audio advisor for a major cultural center in the Tampa Bay area and improved upon their audio situation.


Here is what I learned:

-The quality of the music and the quality of sound presentation both have emotional connections.

-Listening fatigue can occur when there is imbalance within the presentation of sound, as in a muddled bass juxtaposed to a clear horn section.  It creates strain in the same way as a clear eye and a blurred eye will create strain.  This is true of soundstage as well.

-The audience may not know what the changes are from, but they can feel it.

-Audiophiles are more sensitive and more aware of the improvements to sound presentation and therefore willing to spend more. 

-However, we all have potentials to addiction. and the addictive potential to the emotional connection  of music and sound presentation is relatively high.

-Music performers can benefit from the experience of audiophiles.

You are 100% correct.  I am an amateur recording technician and when our large choir and symphony perform in auditoriums (Gindi, VBS) and stages (Ford Theater) requiring amplification, the sound is less than it should be.  When we perform at Disney Hall or other non-amplified venues, the sound is captivating and the recordings are nearly audiophile (I only use two mics).  Since I am not in charge of the amplification/can't touch union work, the sound will never improve.
Backing up to the discussion of room acoustics, and the control of....

One does have the option of custom DTG on fabric faced panels. *S*
DTG (Direct print To Garments) is a spin-off from the graphics trade which I was involved with previously. Initially, ’dye-sub’ shirts were the first items that were marketed. Since. it’s exploded into ’T-shirts on demand’, large-scale textiles, and nearly everything in between.

For an example:
- You can purchase ’blank’ acoustic foam panels; sized as desired.
- Have a suitable fabric printed with whatever suits ones’ taste; images, colors, patterns.... If it can be imaged digitally, it’s generally ’printable’.
- Apply foam to a substrate; plywood is typical, but the panel should be able to resist ’curling’ due to the ’shrink/swell’ tendencies of materials (What goes down ’flat’ @ 65 F. may ’curl’ @ 75 F.; sunlight through a window can ruin ones’ day...).
- Apply fabric to the ’face’; use of the correct adhesives to do so isn’t ’rocket science’, but does need to be paid attention to....
- Hang it all....*G*

One could make those corner bass traps ’blend’ into the corners, printed to match the wall paint....or not...

The wall panels could be a landscape....or a print of the dog, (grand)kids, cars, your home planet, a babys’ arm holding an apple....Whatever....

If I opt for ’acoustic conditioning’, the above is where I’m going. The general appearance of panel treatments in a ’common space’ (a living room, den, or ’what-have-you’) tends to have a limited appeal in the SAF category....

...even with mine, who has an appreciation of the "..why one would have the living room appear to be a recording studio?!"

It clashes with the drapes, sofa, the painting we paid X$ for, my eyes, Your eyes, the floor....

You Know the drill....;)

There’s Interior Design....and Inferior Desecration.

(Lava lamps are a subject of discussion...but I’ll back away from that...)

Back to topic. *S*

(Hi, Eric! ;)....)


I have to say though, the GIK Acoustics are panels are effective, pretty and high value. :)

And yes, room acoustics is something I have always been sensitive to. Not just for music. Spending a long time in an office with live sheet rock is exhausting.
In the above vein....

Has anyone seen or known of 'free-standing' panels?  Ones that could be analogous to a 'room divider'?

Height/width as desired; fixed or mobile?

The latter could have appeal for the larger space...out of the way for daily life, but easy to move into place for the 'Serious Listening Hour' (...or 2, 3, 4....etc.)....

Just thinking outside the box.....*S*
asvjerry
... Has anyone seen or known of 'free-standing' panels? Ones that could be analogous to a 'room divider'?
It's called a "gobo."
Ah...*S*  Thank you both for that.   I'd been the GIKA site, but didn't notice the 'art' details....My Bad on that overlook....;)

I've known from 'my previous life/employment' that if it's 300 dpi minimum and in .eps format it can be printed.  The printers' run algorithms that 'fill in the blanks' on enlargements, but obviously the higher the dpi the sharper the final image will be.  That, and a better file format....

Their 'stock shots' are usually pro hi-rez stuff but tend to be as generic as a Hallmark card.  I've some imagery I've wanted to print large-scale that would 'personalize' the panel prints.*S*
Still might be a tough sale to the spouse, but having 'our' art vs. 'theirs' might make the sale a little easier.... ;)

Thanks again for filling in my blanks...
J