Ptm...
Exactly..
You are happy with your system and do not feel like going out and dropping an "extra" $100k that you don't have anyway for (maybe) a little better sound. |
"Like better" is also in the ears of the audiophile. I personally like/love my Apogees, but they do not have the bottm end slam of a good cone speaker, let alone the Magico's.
Would I replace them with Magico's? Not unless someone was offering me a direct 1 to 1 trade with no money out of my pocket. |
I would much rather have Dynaudio C1, Sonus Faber Guarneri Momento or Wilson Benesch than a $25k Q1 any day. With the rest of the money I could get a Navitimer World and a few nice dinners. Just because they spent a bunch of time building/designing a cabinet, does not automatically make it a better speaker. It is sad to see people blowing this kind of money on a pair of speakers, then selling them for 40-50% when the "bills come due". |
Audiofreak, Please list a speaker that costs half the price of the Q1 ($25K) and sounds better. Also for the Mini 2 ($30K) , and the Q3 ($40K). I'd like to know what to audition for my next upgrade. I assume you have heard these particular Magico models. Thanks. |
I know... where are the moderators? Look at some of the comments that have been made towards me...
I do not "hate" Magico speakers, I was merely saying that they are horribly over priced. If you own them and paid retail for them, I feel sorry for you.
Many people would agree that a great sounding speaker (and even better sounding than Magico) could be purchased for half the cost. |
Where are the moderators? |
There will always be distractors..
The relentless Focalfan in Tidal's and Audiofreak here at Magico's.
What a shame. If they hated the brand/s so much just skip, why interject with continuos useless comments to create animosity. No clue the motives.
What amazes is that these people are allowed to go on disproportionately disparaging brand/s they dislike whilst some of the counter comments made by other fellow members were filtered off. Oh well.. Peace! |
Go to another thread if you dont own MAGICO keep on truckin!! |
How is Johnny an asset to Audiogon? He has not bought or sold ONE ITEM ON HERE. And he has no "experience" or "knowledge" and cannot even write in English. |
Audiofreak,are you five years old? The consensus here is that you are an idiotic moron. Johnnyb on the other hand is an asset to the Audiogon community. I think ebm got it right. Why hang out on a forum where you are known for your foolishness? You are the troll, and Johnny is here to help audiophiles with his experience and knowledge. |
Johnny...
Nothing bought or sold on Audiogon... just a troll. |
06-05-12: Audiofreak32
Johnnyb loser Still happy. |
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05-24-12: Audiofreak32
Too bad my posts are being filtered... sad.
No, happy! |
OK, I will thanks for the advice. |
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There are no absolutes in this hobby
To each his own |
Why not start a thread about Charles' BPT unit? This thread is about the Magico Q7. |
There are much better sounding units that the BPT for less money. |
Ebm,
The BPT has been fabulous in my system, but I won`t argue over such matters as this,to each their own.
Regards, |
BPT 3.5 wonderful unit some people think they know everything not so!! |
Audiofreak32,
Stereotypes exist concerning 'all' things audio(even Linn).SS components have as many cliches said about them as do tube gear. If people trust their ears and choose what sounds good to them they`ll do fine.
Regards, |
Charles...
Many would say that tubes are slow and muddy and to go with SS amps. You could do ALOT better than BPT by the way. |
Halcro,
Yes we most likely hear differently(nothing new there). The issue is not everyone views analog as the ultimate sound as you do. I`ve heard excellent vinyl set ups and also some that sound just awful(same can be said for other sources). If you feel that those who don`t share your same criteria/standards don`t count as credible reviewers well so be it,we`ll just disagree.
Regards, |
I agree with you Charles. But that is not the issue!
The issue is that I, along with hundreds of thousands of other audiophiles hear differences......in my case enormous differences.....between vinyl and digital.
You apparently do not.
However, you are not writing reviews of high-end audio equipment?
If you were.....I would not read a word you wrote because I know you hear differently to the way I do....just as Jeff Fritz obviously does?
His opinion is meaningless to me and to hundreds of thousands of others.
That is just a waste of time, print and effort.
Regards |
Halcro'
It`s simply a matter of opinion. If you believe there are appreciable differences between the two formats that favor analog that`s your choice. Not everyone agrees, simple as that. Some will find both to be equals and some even prefer digital at this at this current stage. There`s no absolute answer ,this will depend on who`s listening/judging.Your preference is no more or less 'informed', it just yours and that`s fine.
Regards, |
Everyone is entitled to listen to whatever he wishes........but I would certainly not expect a teenager who listens to MP3 as his only source to be elevated to a position as paid reviewer of high-end audio equipment?
And I would equally not expect someone who cannot appreciate the differences between anlogue and digital....to be similarly entrusted?
You, who appear also to be unable to appreciate the differences......are happily not so entrusted? |
"seems a disservice to the audience"
Apparently not to him if 'he' believes his digital source front end equals any analog he`s heard,purely subjective, that`s all. |
I agree that digital can sound very good. But for Fritz to declare a system "Best in the World, 2012" and not even have analog (tape or vinyl) as an optional source in that system, seems ridiculous on its face. He doesn't even mention it as a decision. Remember, he assembled this super system by asking manufacturers to submit product. The implication is that he could get whatever he wanted. No call to Continuum, SME, Basis, Clearaudio, etc? Seems a disservice to the audience. |
"Would you buy a car from such a salesman?"
Yes,I don`t except the premise that an analog source is inherently superior.One can achieve superb music reproduction with 'either' digital or analog components. It will depend on the quaility of the specific source and system set up. Both formats can be just average or fabulous. |
Yes it's funny Peter.......but there are a few reviewers out there who also don't listen/have an analogue system?
What these sages are essentially saying is....."yes, I've heard the best that vinyl and analogue can do, and for me, I can't tell the difference from good digital."
For Jeffrey Fritz....it appears that even MP3 is 'good enough'?
Would you buy a car from such a salesman? |
That's a long way up to jump EBM. Don't hurt yourself.
Halcro, That was my first thought as well. "World's Best Audio System, 2012" and no analog - tape or vinyl? Even Magico demoes with analog now. And they have a turntable in the factory system. I read that Alon Wolf has a large collection of records. |
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Agree with Mapman... nobody is arguing that the build level at Magico is "extremely solid" and technically "top shelf", but at what cost?
Could you convince a blindfolded group of ten average people that another speaker at half that price sounds just as good? Most likely. For me at least - it has become mush more about value as I have gotten older. |
I will say though that in terms of pure build quality, Magico would seem to be on the cutting edge. The question is more about value and what it really takes practically to achieve top notch/upper echelon sound in most peoples rooms. |
"If I had a dollar for every reviewer that said they just heard the best [enter component] they ever heard, I would be a millionare."
Yes, one certainly risks their credibility with a statement like especially based on a limited audition!
My personal opinion is that in the case of most any room that most anyone might have in their home, there are many speakers out there that do everything very well that might be deemed "best" based mainly on personal preference.
When we start dealing with larger spaces like auditoriums, etc,then the game inherently changes. No longer can a single speaker be best most likely. The physics associated with scaling sound to larger areas dictates well designed multi speaker systems to do the job well, as is evident in many better quality commercial sound systems out there for public audition in various facilities around the world. |
If I had a dollar for every reviewer that said they just heard the best [enter component] they ever heard, I would be a millionare. |
"Best in world".....and all without hearing a single LP through them? |
That's quite a review. I think I'll trade in my Mini 2s. Oh, wait. My eighteenth century house would collapse under the weight and sound pressure levels of these speakers.
Perhaps the next generation of Magico speakers will use these super magnets for mid 90s+dB efficiency. I commend them for their efforts to push the envelope with technology. |
Wow, best in the world!
I guess I would expect that for that kind of money, at least in most any room resembling anything normal.
I'd like to try a shootout between my OHM 5s and those. On paper, they would seem to do all the same things well. ONly <5% of the cost, and a fraction of the weight though. Could they compete? I'd like to find out. |
Jeff Fritz Q7 review. Not afraid to say what he think.
http://ultraaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=252:inevitable-magico-q7-loudspeakers&catid=44:feature-articles&Itemid=37 |
Wow, you right:
http://www.avguide.com/blog/product-preview-magico-q7-loudspeaker |
Too bad my posts are being filtered... sad. |
For my two cents worth, I have to agree with you usermanual. Who could possibly appreciate a writer who continually hijacks posts to tell you what an idiot you must be if you don't think the Linn DS, Sonus Faber and REL are the HANDS DOWN ONLY BEST CHOICE you should ever consider. Tiresome, and a disservice to what-at the end of the day is only a hobby. Everyone can appreciate the passion, but the rigidity of his opinions (usually unsolicited)are a bore. I love Sonus Fabers but I'm pretty sure the Magicos are amazing as well...room for all tastes. Rock on. |
MAGICO is a wonderful speaker thats why this thread is so big.Get a life DUDE!! |
The real shame is that people like Audiofreak32 are undermining the legitimacy of this forum. I hope AG can put a stop to it. |
Nope. Freak, we don't all agree. You are free to start your own thread with a new subject. |
Peterayer,
I would agree a move in the direction of higher sensitivity is a smart one. The other consideration is easier ohm load(avoiding those low dips below 4 ohms) if this is indeed possible,depending on their philosophy. |
Agreed.
Better dynamics will help most of the "high-end" spearkers out there, even the great ones. |
I predict that the next generation of Magico speakers will all be in the 93+ efficiency range. Of course I could be completely wrong, but they seem to be moving in this direction. Explosive dynamics is one of the major characteristics of live acoustic music and IMO Magico is trying to have a very realistic sound, so this will help. It will also increase the choices for amplifiers making the speakers a better value. They are moving in the right direction if you ask me. |
