The real shame is that people like Audiofreak32 are undermining the legitimacy of this forum. I hope AG can put a stop to it. |
Hifimaniac,
As Magico Q7 ad says "Deeper Understanding"...
I will say though, in your defense, that Magico is the "anti-audiophile" loudspeaker. I am not surprise that a guy with a Wilson set up, and 30 records will not like them.
Now before you all jump on me here, remember how it all started. As a Magico fan and owner, I take lines like "The most over rated speaker line I have ever listened to" personally. So there you have it; if that is your opinion on my taste, you just heard mine on yours. Hope you don't mind (-; |
Hifimaniac,
Congratulations on your new speakers.
>> Gee, I wish this was the experience I heard with the Magico Speaker!
The fact that YOU did/do not have these experiences, does not mean they are not there. I think that any 'real' speaker designer or a cultivated listener will have much easier time making sense of a Magico product then any Wilson or Evolution one. If you believe that a 5" line source tweeter can "seamlessly bland" with two 7" point source midranges, that are at least 8" apart and doing not much more then canceling each other, and a 15" woofer running by a plate amp, most likely class D, then... Oh well. Both Wilson and Evolution are very impressive products, but both are heavily "voiced" and have very little to do with the "Fidelity" part of the phrase "High-Fidelity". If that is what you like, good for you.
Suteetat,
Congratulation on your speakers. No need to apologies for Magico sound at shows. I have heard them many times, and so are many reviewer all over the world that constantly give them "Best Sound At Show". Those who so passionately hate them in shows, will most likely hate them anywhere else. The merits of these products have nothing to do with it. |
How boring. One more "Best in Show":
http://www.avshowrooms.com/Salon_Son___Image.html |
>>I have no reason to believe this.
Perhaps you can try to explain the differences. But I believe there to be none of any significance.
How about 94db efficiency vs. 86db?
You should read Magico marketing material. None of these drivers are the same. The fact that all their midranges are 6 does not mean that they are all the same. You will not be able to use any of the 3 7 bass drivers in the Q3, as a midwoofer for the Q1. Having said that, you will not mistake any of these models to anything but a Magico, but as you go up in the line you do get more of the their virtues, not just bass and dynamics. For example, the Q5 is more transparent then the Q3 and I am sure the Q7 is more transparent then the Q5. |
I did not see Magico claiming a difference of 10db in drivers sensitivity. The newer Qs are, and that is a fact at least on the Q3 that was measured by PM in the UK, much more efficient than the older products, including the Q5. |
Yawn....
http://www.dagogo.com/View-Article.asp?bShowUnpublished=&hArticle=1020&PageOfArticle=1 |
Prdprez,
Not sure if intentionally or not, but i think you are confusing issues with issues here. A typical Dunleavy design had a symmetrical (BMTMB) layout. By that alone you get 6db boost in system efficiency, not drivers. BTW, In Magico propaganda, they mainly talk about redaction in Eddy Current and inductance, not increase in efficiency. |
+1. Heard them in Munich at Life-Like. I stayed for 3 hours. It was hard to leave, so magical the experience was... After 2 days at the main show, it was a real treat. |
Elberoth2,
I bet you never heard the Q3/5 with a Nagra 845 or, even better (Looks like) an Ongaku?? Is that what it took making your Wilson's musical? You are showing a "quite nice" room response were your FR is 30db down at 10K?!! With these kind of preferences, you should refer making any judgments on anything you have not heard in your own room. |
Wow Jwm, you are so lucky. I (and I am sure all Magico fans) have never heard live music before.
Elberoth2,
I bet you never heard the Q3/5 with a Nagra 845 or, even better (Looks like) an Ongaku?? Try putting a big SS amp on your speakers, see how much you like them. You are showing a "quite nice" room response with a FR 30db down at 10K?!! With these kind of preferences, you should refer making any judgments on anything you have not heard in your own room. |
My apologies for double posting. I thought AG has missed the first one as it was not posted after 12 hours.
BTW, for what I consider is a balance view on the differences between these two companies, you can read JF Amati Futura review on:
http://www.ultraaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=225:embracing-old-and-new-sonus-faber-amati-futura-loudspeakers&catid=44:feature-articles&Itemid=37 |
Elberoth2- Yes, the Sasha, with a minimum value of 2 ohms at 86Hz, and 43° phase angle at 61Hz (Practically a short) is a breeze...
Keep spinning the myth, but the truth is that none of these Qs are any more difficult to drive then the Wilsons. On the contrary... |
Wow, you right:
http://www.avguide.com/blog/product-preview-magico-q7-loudspeaker |
have a peek, not a Peak, at this:
http://www.magico.net/Galleries/Magico_news/Magico_news_01.php
Just tweeted |
Wow, what a change of heart... Thank you for sharing, maniac. I wish more people will take the time and open their mind to experience worthy products. I believe audiophiles, me included, are their own worst enemies; making conclusions based mainly on their comfort with the "familiar". It stops innovation, create stagnation and leads to a demise, i.e. our industry status. |
