I understand and i am sorry for your frustration...
... which is far outweighed by all of your suggestions that are expanding my awareness and enjoyment of, Classical music. ;o)
Let's talk music, no genre boundaries
This is an offshoot of the jazz thread. I and others found that we could not talk about jazz without discussing other musical genres, as well as the philosophy of music. So, this is a thread in which people can suggest good music of all genres, and spout off your feelings about music itself.
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No doubt it there would be practical and perhaps sonic advantages to switching from CDs to streaming. The prospect of entrusting my listening to an internet connection that can go down at any time makes me nervous. Listening to music is a very personal activity and I'd prefer to maintain my sense of privacy, illusory as it may be. I have enough difficulty with digital interfaces as it is and my mind is not getting any sharper. In the future, I can't help but believe I'll be less likely to succumb to confusion playing CDs compared to negotiating software menus. |
I began with a friend help converting cd to flac format near 20 years ago at its beginning . I went on with this method, now i bought files or i convert... It is impossible for me in my small house to store my books collection. all on digital files now nor my music collection... I am lucky i had no need for any storage now save my 600 paper books essentials what is left from my huge personal library...I own more book files than i could read for one thousand years... Same for music... Streaming ? Never ... |
It's not a proposition of one or the other. I still play CDs. But, especially belonging to this forum, I run up against so much music I don't own, that I need to use my streamer. I own a Moon 280D, and the Moon Mind interface is on my iPad and really, really easy to use. Most streamers have an easy interface. A very inexpensive introduction into streaming is to load Qubuz or Tidal or whatever on your computer then plug your computer into a D/A converter that will use standard interconnects to plug into your preamp. I'd buy a used D/A converter for this experiment. New they're as cheap as $100. Qobuz is $10 a month. So your investment can be a little over $100 to try it. Schiit has really inexpensive D/A converters. You can try it for a few months and see if you use it. If you continue on in this forum, I have no doubt you will. |
I think audio-b-dog is right here. If i had not already a huge amount of files i will stream... I am not motivated to do it because i had more music than most people here... But it is useful to stream a new composer or album before deciding to purchase it ... I dont need it but most people need it... Myself i use youtube to listen a new musician, if it please me i go for the files...
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I don't think I'll ever buy a CD again. I have over 1,000 CDs which I play using my streamer's D/A converter. Although, many CDs I own are on Qobuz as much richer files. A CD samples 44.1 thousand times a second with a 16-bit word length. Often the same album is offered on Qobuz with up to 192K sampling and a 24-bit word length. All the math doesn't really matter. It sounds much better. I had the same resistance as @stuartk. I dismissed streaming, thinking I had enough music with 1,000 vinyl records and over 1,000 CDs. Being on this forum and the jazz forum has really got me using my streamer a lot. It's part of my ethos to try to keep up with new things. I don't want to be an old man who is totally out of it. I want to keep surprising my granddaughters. Also, when @stuartk introduced me to Wayne Shorter, I probably would have bought an album or two until I heard how rich his albums sounded on Qobuz. I don't need to go out and buy them on vinyl. I feel like I own the albums of his that I like. Just plug in Wayne Shorter's name and there is nearly all the albums he ever recorded. |
Sure. I do this for free on Spotify! But as I see it, it makes no sense, given all the $ I’ve spent on CDs, to start over with streaming. And, I know myself -- for every 50 recordings I hear of Spotify, I may find two I actually want to buy. My taste is the most limiting factor. I can only spend so much time sitting and listening hoping to find something I may enough to purchase, no matter how the music is being delivered. And then there’s the added complication and expense. No; I'll stick with what I’ve got. |
Yes, well, we're all different people, and that's a good thing. I will take issue, however, with "keeping up with trends." I wouldn't say that you introducing me to Wayne Shorter was keeping up with a trend. But I do like to see what's going on around me. When I go to get my hair cut and I see all these women wearing clothes to reveal their tattoos, I think back to when I first came to this salon for a haircut and how different people looked then. I think it's partly because I'm a writer that I'm always trying to notice and hear new things. Especially because I'm now writing about the near future. Also, I play a lot of LPs, and I like to hear how well each recording was digitalized, and you can't fully hear that on Spotify. If an album I like is really badly digitalized, I'll buy the record. Because of streaming, I no longer need to buy CDs.. |
I dont give a damn about trends we must be conscious of ... I am interested only by individual musicians not so much by trends : be it jazz, classical, or Persian and Indian etc... Some trends even repulse me even if the musician is a good one... Sorry ( Commercial or industrialized Pop and rock etc ) I look for individual musicians genius, nevermind the culture or musical language... for example: i dont like the Opera genre , but there is many operas i love a lot to death... Same is true for jazz, or even classical... Who can rival Bruckner or Gesualdo genius ? Very few and they are in the great names ... I dont like symphonic music but i love Beethoven and Bruckner till madness or Schumann fourth or Mahler etc or Robert Simpsons ( A genius not even well known ) etc ... I dont like quatuors... But Beethoven quatuors are pure transcendental music ... I finally understand i like musicians more than music itself...Some are Godly...
How many musicians can direct Schutz music ? Not much... Try Mauersberger Schutz "Geistliche Chormusic " , i listened to it near 1000 times... How did i know the count ? Easy: i wrote for 4 years a project and i listened to Schutz each night when writing for 4 years with Bach various Choral pieces and Klavier ... I dont like Schutz as much alone as the musician Mauersberger able to recreate the musical time dimension rythms and pulse behind the written score. The creative rythms in Schutz is here in this work a perfect mix of German depth and weight with the Italian wings and "lightness of being ". There is no one who can catch this paradoxal mix as Mauersberger directing the Chor...Incredible and strong as the stronger addictive drug after one listening, because like in the 7th symphony of Beethoven we feel the creative pulse of the Cosmos and human heart as One. Music is ecstasy not just fun...Spiritual transformation not just leisure... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnZQ0EPuNqk
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We can go around and around with this. I’m a writer, too. And while I recognize the value of "authentic detail", what interests me more is what doesn’t change from one generation to the next. I agree that Spotify is not the best indicator of fidelity. If I like what I hear on Spotify or youtube or No Depression, I will buy the CD. If it turns out to be a poor-sounding disc (irritating to listen to), I’ll add it to my stack of CDs that I take up to Eugene with me each time me I visit my mom, knowing I can get more in trade for them up there than around here. I don’t actually end up buying many CDs that fall into this category, though. It’s more common that my initial positive impressions don’t stand up to the scrutiny of repeated exposure once I’ve got my hands on the disc. In other words, "operator error" comes into play.
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A marvellous video about speakers done like musical instrument : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTCtitxkNvc A Speaker Built Like a Wind Instrument: 50 Years in Pursuit of Perfect SoundI like it because i discovered many years ago in my first dedicated audio room that system/speakers/room/ears are one musical instrument or one very complex resonator ... Now the thread is about music... Sound and music are one we can distinguish them perfectly but we cannot separate them... In speech sound and meaning are perfectly distinguishable but we cannot separate them... It is possible to appreciate Bruckner 5 th symphony about the "meaning of life" like an NDE experience translated into music (it is my perception of this symphony) from your phone with bad earbuds, but it is easier to pick this meaning on a very good system/room for a better meditation on this very complex but very deep masterpiece. It is the only Bruckner symphony with a perfectly completed finale with his eight symphony, a finale putting all pieces or preceding movements together as ONE using a breathtaking masterful fugue in the finale ...An experience you cannot forgot especially after the second very meditative listening....it is impossible to understand this symphony at first listening save if you are a genius. I am not. It takes me the second listening to "see" the "movie" clearly so to speak ... I like Celibidache 5th spiritual depth ...Celibidache make the orchestra speak not only doing music but telling a story...It is real cinema... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOTzCgMxy_o&list=RDiOTzCgMxy_o&start_radio=1 |
A 8 minutes piece of piano for those who do not know young Sorabji genius : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8HVI_9eJU4&list=RDB8HVI_9eJU4&start_radio=1 |
Now what about the future of music and of the threefold free social fabric ? We are not ready nor mature enough in our societies for the technology that was dropped on our heads... If you think that technology is marvellous, remember the Amish reply about why they dont use automobile : " We only use tech that will not break our loving caring social fabric "...Between becoming a cyborg or staying a non fanatical Amish, my choice is done... What is the future of "popular" industrial and commercial music ? A musician on UBI (universal Basic Income ) will not be more happy and those loosing their jobs either because UBI is first and last digital control and freedom loss not mere free money... A non working man, non contributing man, is no more a citizen but a useless eater ...Oligarchs will draw the same conclusion: we are too much, too polluting and who need us ? Musk said it will be abundance free for all ...It makes me smile thinking about his "naiveté" or worst, i dont know... Technology is not wisdom for sure ...Science is not Knowledge but less than knowledge and informed by it, knowledge is not technology but way more , Love is the beginning and the end of wisdom. Wisdom is knowledge paired with love.. Ai Can now Fully Produce YOUR SONG!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl2_mp0h8b0 part 2 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS-QHyC7JcM part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkfK33UTVHU
Perdomo was using Suno A.I. But this young man now suggested that there is better than Suno : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7_ibwqKKao
The truth is simply evident : What power mankind will delegate to a.I. mankind will had the consequence that mankind loose his ability to create it again in himself from himself.. If you compute by asking A.I. the answer how will you learn to compute with your head efficiently ? If you wrote no more, how this will affect thinking gesture ? Etc... There is a price to pay, when no human jobs are needed anymore in the social fabric, the threefold social fabric (Culture-politic-economy) is reduced to one layer of control and the "citizen" exist no more only a useless eater exist. |
I had a long session with chatgbt about developing a physics that might have been seen through a feminine lens, rather than our very masculine physics. I had the questions and chatgbt knew quantum physics pretty well. Together, we put together a very interesting "feminine" physics. Space is the primary element from which matter and energy are born. Anyway, there are pages and pages. I very much enjoyed that rleationship with AI. I was listening to some great composer (Zuben Mehta?) being interviewed. When he was asked what piece of music he would like played at his funeral, he said, "Schubert's String Quintet in C" (D. 956, Op.Posth 163). I think this might be Schubert's deepest and most spiritual piece. |
Yes. And in the US, at least, this process of "delegation" will be dictated by those who have the most to gain from it, financially. Thanks for the suggestion. I will check it out.
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On the AI issue, I think it will also be used in science. I watched a series last night called "Mind in the Universe." It talked about science. One episode was about a scientist trying to create simple life forms made made of something other than carbon and water. He assumes that life around the universe uses varied chemical structures. AI was instrumental in his endeavor. |
Good question. Although, I do know that there is still a lot of "pure" science research going on. The Cern collider costs many billions of dollars to look for the Higgs particle. Now that they've found it, they have no idea what to do with it. I used it in my book to make a time leap. That was worth billions. |
A.I. tailor his answers according to the user prompts.. To please the user A.I. will distort facts... There is no feminine physics nor masculine physics... There is no physics science whose experienced content is rooted in sex or in biology... For sure psycho-acoustics for example can distinguish between female and male biases in sound perception. A female is more sensitive to high pitch (bablies crying ) than males for example... But there is no physics and mathematics sex oriented sciences... A.I. helping or not .. Ask any serious physicist... I am sorry to be blunt...
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My basic thesis: Men developed physics, from the Greeks through modern quantum physics. How can it not have a male lens? Some highlights you might not agree with, nor would most physicists, but you must admit it's an intelligent argument: 1. Order vs. Process
2. Entropy and Creation
3. Reductionism vs. Holism
4. Time
5. Metaphors
6. Examples of “Feminine Physics” Already Emerging
7. The Synthesis A feminine-informed physics wouldn’t discard equations or rigor. It would add another dimension:
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All history is driven by archetypes and rooted in them...
Once this is said,the fact that there exist a mother achetype and a father archetype does not means that all physics could be reduced to these underlying archetypes.. ( we can easily class everything in yin and yang that does not means that physics is yin or yang )
In my own thinking as an exemple, we have three sides: the materialistic social tribal and now robotic ego,& the daimonic (Plato)"possessed" "inspired" isolated ego, but also the free thinking "I" which result & manifest as a balance & controls between the other two sides. History describe the emergence of this third Christic component.
As you see instead of using your feminine and masculine polarities, i use three symbolic forms or achetypes : the material (feminine) the mind (masculine) the transcendent "i"...
My reading is as much good or as much bad as yours...
 Instead of a feminine physics , why not a physics integrating the two polarities in a higher dimension ?
A Goethean physics as described by Henri Bortoft in two books ...
If i consult A.I. dont doubt he will obey my prompting biases and confirming my perspective as it did with your schematics...
A.I. is not truth... It is a confirming biases tool so useful it could be it dont think ....
There is plenty of people saying A.I. helped them and confirmed their view right now...
If i prompt A.I. about my view as i just described to you i can also wrote a physics description ( encompassing biology and psychology ) as good as your own with my three perspectives archetypes of the "ego " instead of yin yang or feminine /masculine ...
In my physics perspectives the observer must be himself transformed in the act of observation.He then cannot observe a feminine or a masculine physics out of himself.
In a word you are "not even wrong".
It can be helpful for you to contrast a feminine physics with a masculine physics but i doubt that it will be productive... It was already done long ago by the way ...I read the "tao of Physics" by Capra 50 years ago , he contrasted newtonian physics (masculine ) with Quantum physics (feminine ) and all your description correspond to his own...
i prefer Goethe who goes deeper ....
The great thinker Gilbert Durand classified all imaginative archetypes...(" Structure anthropologique de l’imagination " a total masterpiece translated in English which i read 55 years ago, i recommend it to you and be assured this book is not obsolete )
The imaginative cosmos is a tree with three main branches with one branch which is double ( the three musketeers are 4 ) ... Then not just a feminine/masculine simpler classification ... Our bodies male or female support the same workings functions and are complementary not opposite...
Jean Gebser i recommended to you described in his 600 pages book how consciousness is transformed by evolution/history dynamically. he does not use a simplistic binary classification... You decided without reading it that his book was obsolete ... Ask A.I. if his book is obsolete and why ?
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I will illustrate my point about the "I" transcending the robotic or the tribal ego as well as the daimonic ego with a quote about consciousness because the ego robotic or possessed is not conscious... Only the transcendent Christic "I" or Atman is conscious ... «“Consciousness may behave like an attentive supervisor who keeps an eye on everything that is happening but intervenes only when it realizes that the automatic processes could be inadequate to handle the situation.” - Federico Faggin physicist designer of the first INTEL processor and mystic |
is there some sound experience able to elevate the conscious level out of our robotic body and robotic mind ? It seems some music were used as such in many spiritual culture... An example will be given with the Barabar cave in this astounding documentary : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RJ3Epd_SXk&t=2958s
Dont miss this documentary.... It is related to sound experience, ancient history, and almost superhuman technology... It is factual not speculation by the way ... If you know some piece of music able to elevate the conscious level by the way sounds is used you can suggest it here ... All music in a way or another may elevate the consciousness level if someone is prepared to live the experience , but some music are designed for this in a very peculiar way ... Music is for me not just pleasure but change of consciousness ... it is not just about our taste but about a higher truth if we change ourselves et prepare to receive it ... music help and cure or makes us ill ...
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The idea of physics through a feminine lens and problems with entropy are mine. The idea that there must be a creative force is mine. I got these ideas from reading books like "The Tao of Physics" and "Gaia" and many others. Chatgbt did not lead me along, I led it along. I have long wondered about space and why it has been so overlooked, until recently, by physics. The book "Gaia" gave me ideas about a creative force in the universe. If you could see the very long process I spent with chatgbt, you would know that chatgbt was not feeding me nonsense just to please me. Many times I tried to lead it in a direction and it opposed me. It is a fact that women have had little to do with the writing of physics. That is why I thought that physics overlooks the creative force. The concept of entropy has long seemed problematic to me. How is it measured that the creation of a human or any life form creates more entropy than the value of the form? How does one count the quality or quantity of a human being versus entropy? Anyway, these are my ideas and I was helped by chatgbt to organize them and bring them into line with modern physics ideas. I can show you blogs I wrote twenty years ago about books on string theory. These thoughts are not new to me. I've been thinking about them a very long time. |
I apologize if i had been too blunt and direct... I dont doubt that you think about these ideas very seriously... But nothing of what you wrote surprised me as really new ... i read Tao of physics and Gaia long ago too ... Entropy is a subject very deep and puzzling even for geniuses : «John von Neumann famously advised Claude Shannon to name his information measure "entropy" because "Nobody knows what entropy is, so in a debate you will always have the advantage". Von Neumann recognized the formula’s connection to statistical mechanics and that its conceptual ambiguity would provide a strategic benefit in discussions about the new field of information theory.»
If Von Neumann dont know what is entropy i doubt that just refering back to "creative feminine force" will solve the problem...
An unknown genius wrote a book about entropy and the cosmos, William James Sidis at 20 and predicted from his ideas black hole 14 years before Chandrasekhar works: https://www.sidis.net/animate.pdf i can use A.I. to give a resume of this book i read in awe 25 years ago: https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-is-william-james-sidis-th-q1KgmH9RQ8efSgVIpLkDyA
We all need a grid perspective to figure out the world and our place in it. For me the feminine/masculine polarities the way you used them in the post about physics above cannot explain the world and history and certainly not physics... Mathematics is not even enough if we want to begin to understand the world... We need spiritual insight way over feminine and masculine sex differences... Now we can mathematise this polarity in more abstract forms than feminine and masculine as Russell did after the Chinese in the deep Yi-King book ...Or we can use this polarity in a non sexual integrated way as Swedenborg did ... A spiritual thinker has done it among few others : Walter Russell : «Russell’s cosmogony was described in A New Concept of the Universe,[19] where he wrote that "the cardinal error of science" was "shutting the Creator out of his Creation."[20] Russell never referred to an anthropomorphic god, but rather wrote that "God is the invisible, motionless, sexless, undivided, and unconditioned white Magnetic Light of Mind"[21] which centers all things. "God is provable by laboratory methods," Russell wrote, "The locatable motionless Light which man calls magnetism is the Light which God IS."[22] He wrote that Religion and Science must come together in a New Age.[23]»
Swedenborg has described an holographical vision of the universe emanating from the God central sun : «In Swedenborg’s cosmology, Divine Love and Divine Wisdom are the fundamental attributes of God, manifesting in the spiritual world as a sun that gives forth heat (Divine Love) and light (Divine Wisdom).» As you can see wisdom is the masculine element , love the feminine element which together makes one angel reflecting God main attributes... Swedenborg was one of the greatest scientist in history not only a mystic.
Now i will give you my own idea about the world. It is not rooted in biological sex distinction. The finite in time cannot imagine the infinite but the infinite out of time can "remember" the finite which was created by him. I believe in God as explanatory source of sciences as well as history as history of our consciousness transformation and birth in God or in the source spirit... The best book on this is Gebser book. "the ever present origin"... this book instead of being obsolete as you claimed predicted 75 years ago the actual state of the world... I could have quoted Rudolf Steiner the seer, scientist and Goethe scholar. I read 200 books of him but i doubt that it will interest you. Then i picked up Gebser but you discarded it as "obsolete" .. :) |
I am reassured by what you say, not insulted. But we need to find a way to take this discussion out of this forum. Would you try direct messaging me. Once when @stuartk did it, I received an email I could respond to. My Audiogon screen is screwed up and doesn't allow me to send out DMs. |
You are a cool soul and a wise guy... I think we had pretty much expressed our perspective clearly to one another ... I dont see what to add... We will stick more to sound and music ... And if philosophy comes back again i will keep it shorter ...
I will recommend a genre i dont know how to characterise ...( is this heavy metal ? ) A fun listen i used few times few years ago to test my system /room ... I learn to like their albums and hear it time to time ( i had all their albums) but especially this one :
The revolutionary army of the infant Jesus , "a rumor of angels " album ... I dont like any rock or heavy metal "band " music usually much to stay polite... But there is exception for anything in my case even " heavy metals" ( i dont like) save some album ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIKHQS6LC9A&list=RDRIKHQS6LC9A&start_radio=1&t=83s
The youtube video describe this as "experimental dark folk"... Funny ... For me it is rythmic waves light metal music ...
By the way if you had a non optimized system it will not translated well in your system/ room and instead of clear rythmical waves of sound you will have a puddle ...
It posted this because nobody reacted to my Sorabji posts .... A genius which propose pieces impossible to listen without total concentration on a long time span... Perhaps a kind of "rock band " i like will create a more satisfying impression ... Anyway it is always spiritual music which is my best "genre" through all genres and cultures .... Bach or Australian didgeridoo are spiritual music content for me : " a sound creating a felt change in consciousness"... If something dont create a change in my consciousness i throw it in a trash bin ... (most music albums sold ) But we are all different and for you it can be an album i dislike who create this change in consciousness ...
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I will listen tomorrow. I would venture to guess that most people listen to music most of the time for pleasure or entertainment. I think you are unique in mostly listening for spiritual reasons. Although, I'm not sure what you mean by "spiritual." You have posted a number of sacred pieces in the Christian tradition, however, I'm guessing that your definition of spirituality goes beyond Christianity. I am assuming that you grew up in Russia because you say that many Russian artists became part of your youth. I think in the U.S. most people have nostalgia about popular music. I am now listening to Roberta Flack's "First Take." I loved this album the first time I heard it. Flack's musical background is from Black churches. And she sings some spirituals, but mostly she has an esoteric view of popular music and chooses wonderful pieces to sing. Here's the album if you haven't heard it. Over the 50 years I have been assembling a system, thanks to work bonuses and inheritences, I've put together a good system. Nothing at the stratospheric top, but something that sounds very good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDUk9Lsy_yQ&list=PLNPGM2D7aODfCsJa2fNQqXpbkHF_OeOMl |
It include Christianity or any other cultural expression... Some didgeridoo is sacred music for me as well as Hildegard of Bingen ...
And no i did not grow in Russia. I love Russian musicians especially their pianist school and vocal tradition ...
For me i love musicians more than music. musicians are music... It is why i dont bother with styles or genres but more about specific musician ... Any music rooted in spirit or rooted in the Earth soul is sacred music and i love it more than anything else ... As an exemple by Michael Nyman and some fabulous Indians musicians :
Sangam part 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM21rkt09Wc&list=RDKM21rkt09Wc&start_radio=1 part 2 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGXWprHynaM&list=RDiGXWprHynaM&start_radio=1 part 3 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMneS1AH-ag&list=RDNMneS1AH-ag&start_radio=1 |
I love Sun Ra, Chet Baker, and Bill Evans, among others because there is something spiritual in their musical expression...Not because it is jazz... If it was only show even extraordinary show i will loose interest... You cannot listen for a show so good it is hundred times without being bored... Music with spiritual content never bore if you repeat it ...
Here the not well known music written by a Bulgarian spiritual seer, Peter Deunov, 200 songs free ...I dont have this except on youtube ... It is powerful listening with joy as the main core : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGM-akmf4GA&list=PLTNypuLgY9fEdocDWHrOUhytEIvK0GxhZ&index=2
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Quite a 40-year journey. I believe that music defined our species, Homos sapiens, along with other arts. If I remember correctly, @frogman cited a 60-thousand-year-old flute found among the Neanderthals. For now, I guess I will lump Homos sapiens and Neanderthals togeter since most of us have some Neanderthal DNA. I think in the beginning music was as @mahgister said, spiritual, whatever that meant to ancient humanity. Today I think music serves so many purposes. Beauty, nostalgia, sex, perhaps the gamut of human desires. It certainly is a big business, and most of what is purchased won't be around very long. As opposed to Beethoven's Violin Concerto, which I am now listening to, as I test out my new cartridge. Best of luck on your venture. I think it's a fascinating one. |
I just purchased a new phono cartridge I am trying to break in, so I'm not streaming for a while and can't listen to your suggestions. I thank you though for those that have gotten through to me. In a few weeks I'll be able to sample things again. But throw less at me. I can perhaps at most listen to one piece every few days. Thanks |
An American pianist, Joseph Villa, who died too soon able to play Scriabin in his own fluid way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prLYVTBOPPk&list=RDprLYVTBOPPk&start_radio=1
I participate on this excellent public thread and i propose music for all those reading it not just for you, and i understand if you cannot hear all of what is suggested here ...I apologize if my posts disturbed you and because you are the OP i can stand still and mute if you prefer so ...
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I just bought a ticket to see Aknhatan at the LA Opera next March because you said it was so good. Thank you. Just keep throwing music out and I'll listen when I can. This is the first cartridge I've bought that I actually have been able to tune using my ear. Too bad all these abilities come so late in life. But at least they come. I listened to a famous Caesar Franck violin sonata. Everytime I hear him I wonder why I've never listened to him more. I like that the birds are teaching you guitar. In the end, music is music. I am reading a book on consciousness written by a philosopher. I think he will prove (or suggest?) that the universe is conscious. And thus music. |
I have finished playing around with my new cartridge for today so I have turned to Tatiana Nikolayeva. I am listening to her play Beethoven sonatas, some of which I know pretty well. I am listening to her play #18, The Hunt. I know this piece quite well. I have an album of Artur Rubinstein playing it on his 90th birthday. He approaches it like childplay and plays it with a kind of childish glee. I have never heard anyone I liked as much playing the piece, but I think Nikolayeva has a style as unique and enjoyable as Rubinstein. I needed to get away from Scriabin, whom I don't know well and understand, to a composer I do know, in order to judge her playing. I am coming to your opinion that she is one of the greats of the 20th century. |
Thanks for your patience with me and for your musical intelligence ... i understand your point about Scriabin...It is an acquired taste , most people are not born loving Scriabin...
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At worst we can listen to them on youtube... music matter more than sound and youtube is not perfect but listenable...I prefer youtube than paying for streaming and buying a streamer... And what exist on cd if i love it i can purchase it or reach to it... It is impossible to hear the 200 songs of Peter Deunov on a cd or with streaming, it does not exist but on youtube, not only a great musician but a spiritual seer and a real one ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnRsEy4SstE&list=PLTNypuLgY9fEdocDWHrOUhytEIvK0GxhZ&index=71
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I own 22 albums of Stephan Micus He play all instruments in all of his albums, makes all the voices... He composed songs in a language he created himself ... This is the first song of the "garden of mirrors" : "earth" A genius rooted in the earth in the age of uprooting ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2zeeVbIBeE&list=RDf2zeeVbIBeE&start_radio=1 He will not be on any pop chart or any "hit parade" ...
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Yes; of course, you are right. Predictably, I approached the Deunov with my usual resistance to classically-trained vocals but as I listened to more and more of his pieces on youtube, I simply stopped thinking in terms of music and my tastes and surrendered to the present-moment vibrational experience. Each person will have their favorites. I find this one especially powerful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1gO9y_JUF4&list=RD_1gO9y_JUF4&start_radio=1
.... but them I listen to another one and change my mind!
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I’m surprised I’ve never heard of Micus. Will explore. Thanks!
Home page for IDEAL projects Deunov tracks for anyone interested: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTNypuLgY9fEdocDWHrOUhytEIvK0GxhZ
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@mahgister as do Jack White, Trent Reznor (NIN) Just saying.
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My broad philosophy after all these years on earth is that it is stupid to spend money on something you won't use or enjoy. I don't go out to places where you wear expensive clothes (if they exist anymore--people wear shorts to the LA Phil). I won't wear them. Both my wife and I have old cars. We don't really need new, nice ones. We've had new nice ones and they didn't make any difference in our lives. Now, when it comes to audio, I listen to it every day. I always have it on when I'm writing on this forum. I have never purchased a piece of audio I couldn't afford or appreciate. I had a pair of Apogee Slant Eights (think long ribbons and a woofer) which were demos I bought for half price. When they blew, I found a pair of Goldenear speakers I could afford. I didn't look out of my price range. I came into a large inheritance this year. I sent my daughter and granddaughters to Italy. That was important to me, and it obviously deducted from my audio budget. But I had enough extra left for a nice pair of Sonus Faber speakers and a relatively inexpensive streamer. I had avoided a streamer because I could run an old computer through a D/A converter. I used it, but it was kind of a pain. I am an audiophile. That's where I spend my "hobby" money. When music sounds better, I enjoy it more. I think @frogman has made that point a few times. That is not to say I don't enjoy it when it comes through a less expensive system. I didn't really start upgrading my system until I was in my forties, and then only modestly. And I have listened to and enjoyed music with a $500 system, as I have told you before. If I had nothing else, I'd listen on the iPhone. I just got an opportunity to buy a ticket to see Aknhatan by Phillip Glass at the LA opera. Would @mahgister tell me not to do that? Would he say, I can listen on youtube. I'll answer for him. Hell no! He'd say snap that ticket up. There is a difference between life and recorded music, and there is a difference between youtube over a phone or computer and a nice streamer. My advice is at least look into streamers. If you have dealers around, listen to a few. I don't know if you buy used equipment, but I thought my streamer was a deal at $4K, and you can buy it used for $1500. If that's too much, then you can stream over your computer. Unless you plan on dying in the next year or two, streaming is the way music will be delivered in the future. If you can't afford a streamer, then you can listen to youtube on your computer over an inexpensive D/A converter on headphones. For somebody who loves music, it makes absolutely no sense to me not to do it. Although, I must admit, I was like you for many years. I would have nothing to do with streamers. I had my CDa and records. And, to be honsest, I was old, and stubborn, and dumb. |
There is many multi-instrumentists but i did not know anyone who created so much good albums in so original music and the language in which he sing in all his albums... It is not rock or pop but completely original music language .... The only other one artist multi-instrumentist and composer i worship like Micus who created many original music and was an inspiration and a personal friend for a genius as Philip Glass is Louis Thomas Hardin aka Moondog ...The "Vicking of the 6th street" ... A street blind musician of genius... A set of albums i own too and one in particular i listened to for 50 years : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqrSklQdVo0&list=RDdqrSklQdVo0&start_radio=1
his story in 15 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neLfKmGHwgo
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