Let's talk music, no genre boundaries

@daledeee1 

Yes; that's a great version of S. Mag. Europe '72 was the first live Dead album I heard and it spoiled me forever, due to the consistently excellent playing and (relatively in-tune)  overdubbed vocals. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqjsFTjLNyE

If we take the 4 notes in their 4 possible combinations we get (someone please correct this if I’ve made any mistakes) : 

A, C, G, D = R, b3, b7,11 or sus 4   = Am7/11

C, G, D, A = R, 5, 9, 6                      = C add 6/9 (no 3rd)

G, D, A, C = R, 5, 9, 11 or sus 4      = G add 9/11 (no 3rd) or G add 9 sus4

D, A, C, G = R, 5, b7, 11 or sus 4    = D7 sus 4

I wonder how these chords played as a progression might affect our DNA...

@audio-b-dog 

I also saw her later in a country music bar in L.A. When I went up to her to tell her how great I thought she was, she brushed me off as if I were trying to pick her up. I wasn’t.

That’s too bad. . . for both of you. I guess it’s indicative of what she had to deal with as a female performer and the less-than-ideal strategies she developed in an attempt to protect herself. 

@audio-b-dog 

RE: V. Morrison and "TB SHeets", @grannyring nailed it. 

You heard Mother Earth with Tracy Nelson on vocals? Great singer!  

Glad you are finding some enjoyable things on the list I sent. 

I don’t hear what I would call  "rough edges" when it comes to Strength in Numbers, though. They are all virtuosos and technically faultless. Maybe we define "rough" differently.  It’s curious that you didn’t like Winifred Horan. Here’s a taste of her regular band, Solas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGcruwhK_es

RE: "The world has been flooded with dross in all the fields of art throughout history", that's true enough but we've never had a forger as capable as AI, before. I don't worry about it creating more bad art -- I worry about it getting to the point of being able to synthesize so much about good art that it can "create" good art that cannot be differentiated from good human-created art. This is new. And I use the term "good" fully aware that it's a gross oversimplification. Perhaps "convincing' would be a better term, in this case. 

@audio-b-dog 

Only time will tell, re: AI's art-making potential.

There is,  needless to say, plenty of derivative art currently being made by humans.

;o)

@mahgister 

Meaning is an embodied felt  symbolic form

In art, this has certainly been my experience. I cannot comment on how this applies in math, science or other left-brain-dominant fields. 

@audio-b-dog 

Here’s an AI summary of the creative process as approached by Keith Richards...

• Richards emphasizes that the best ideas often emerge when you’re not actively chasing them but are simply present in the moment, according to rolling stones data. He describes his process as catching "fleeting creative sparks like butterflies drifting through the air". Riffs, melodies, and lyrics reveal themselves naturally, often without conscious effort or planning, and this intuitive process is key to his creativity.
• Listening to the Instrument: Richards often talks about letting the instrument guide the creative process, believing that songs emerge from the guitar itself. He doesn’t believe in overthinking or forcing ideas but rather allows the music to flow through him.
• Openness to Inspiration: He sees himself as an antenna, picking up signals and ideas that are "out there," and simply receives them as they come, according to rolling stones data. This means being constantly aware of his surroundings and receptive to anything that might spark a musical or lyrical idea.

@audio-b-dog 

I don’t know enough about computers to answer that question but I’d like to believe a computer does not possess the "inner antenna " that allows humans to pick up on those "butterflies" Keith speaks of. 

In order to manipulate aesthetic forms/media to trigger emotions, doesn’t one have to first possess the capacity for being so moved?

@bolong 

In music, as you develop a theme or musical idea, there are many points at which directions must be decided

Not only in music! 

@audio-b-dog 

I don’t see how L & M qualifies as Prog.

Their music did span a range from very radio friendly Pop to something a bit more stylistically adventurous. The latter was displayed in longer tracks that alternated with the 3 minute hits.  Like them or not, their musicianship was always excellent. 

Here’s a good example of them at their (IMHO) best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnI1-AiFrjU&list=OLAK5uy_m-iUndbrYwZmRJpQ-mBScNV53Vq_eHC1I

This track comes from what I consider their most musically ambitious album; "Mother Lode".  

Given J. Messina’s roots in B. Springfield and Poco, I tend to regard him as coming out of Country Rock. I admire guitar players who can say a lot with just a few notes, and he certainly qualifies in this regard. 

@audio-b-dog 

I like that cut. I'll stream them. I have a few Poco albums that I play a lot. To be quite honest, I'm not a fan of genres. That's one of the reasons I moved from the Jazz Aficianado group. They seemed to have a exacting conception of  "jazz," and I just like what I like. You said you aren't a fan of Freddie Hubbard's "First Light" and "Red Clay," but I don't think you'd say they aren't jazz albums. They're just something that doesn't hit you. I just like what I like and no longer worry about it. I used to want to be cool. Now I'm too old to be cool, and I really don't care. 

Well, OK. Not all music is easily categorized into neat boxes but categories can be helpful. If I want to know where a certain artist falls, stylistically, and you say "Hard Bop" , I find that's useful. I compare it to music theory, which is not much use simply as a conceptual framework but as a means of communicating about musical structures between musicians it can be of significant practical value.  

You do seem to have a visceral negative response to classifying music by genres. 

Yes; Freddie Hubbard's CTI recordings are Jazz. 

As a musician, I think you are more aware of the craftsmanship. I can appreciate it, but I don't listen to music to appreciate how good the players are.

I listen for emotional engagement first and foremost. In this regard, someone with relatively little technique may be as "good" as a virtuoso... or even better.