O-10: Enjoyed both tunes sung by Karrin Allyson. She is really good. A Stone Fox also! My problem with a lot of the current artists is not whether they are as good or better than the greats of the past, it's that they tend to discard and ignore the past in it's entirety. By singing the tunes 'Moanin', and 'All Things Must Change', she shows she does not do this. When I heard her sing 'Moanin', I just knew I had heard it sung many times before, but could not remember the performer. Thanks to Google, I remembered it was Lambert Hendricks & Ross. I like Allyson's version better. To refresh our memory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynZDm50EgBYThanks for the clips. Cheers |
*****Rok, this should be an interesting CD, "Pepper Adams, Playing Charles Mingus"*****
Just attempting this shows the boy has balls, if nothing else. I never thought of anyone "playing Mingus'!! Some folks you just don't 'play'!! Ellington and Goodman, you 'play'.
Good effort.
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******I don't think I want to know what that "Super fox" I met over 40 years ago, looks like today.******
Maybe a lot better than you might think. I found that out at my last high school reunion. A Fox is a Fox! Sometimes they get better with age. Esp when you consider there is no longer all that teenage nonsense.
CURRO -- I think it's a Spanish word meaning 'work', or showy, flashy or cocky. The truck says work. I have just two by Donald Byrd. One "The Cat Walk" has him with Pepper Adams. They were co-leaders of the group.
Byrd was a very interesting, outspoken and highly educated player. One writer said he was Jazz's ultimate loose canon, once Miles passed away. He must have had the habit of telling the truth. :)
Nice tune. What method do you use to find all these tunes and artists?
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Listening to Pandora today while working. A smokin' jam comes on, I walked over to the Roku to see who it was. The artist was Lynn Arriale, the album 'Nuance' and the cut was "Carry On" featuring Randy Brecker on trumpet.
I'd never heard of Lynne Arriale before. I'll look for more examples of her work. Randy Brecker was outstanding on this cut.
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Amazing arrangement! I have to chuckle because the only version of that song I've ever heard is the one by The Dixie Cups back in '65.
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Randy Brecker has been on some good records lately. Maybe he can play a little.
O-10, I am a big fan of Mrs. Allyson. Great Call! Try Stacy Kent.
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I thought 'carry on' was too much Brecker and not enough Lynne. I thought Iko Iko (my post) was a much better showcase of her talents. I notice she plays a lot of the old classic tunes. Good for her.
I have always felt that a lot of the classic stuff can be done better. After all, the hard work has already been done. And maybe modern recording techniques, better instrumentmentation, and fresh insight, can actually improve a lot of the old recordings, if not the creation.
Now, if she would only dress a little less revealing, so we can concentrate of the music!
Thanks for introducing her.
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Hi Rok - I am in an extremely busy stretch at work right now, so sorry for the slow response. The short answer to your question is that my orchestra has never programmed that piece, nor have I yet had the opportunity to participate in a professional performance of it.
However, I am of course very familiar with the work, and I did play it once in grad school with the student orchestra. I have worked on it again very recently, too - our principal horn was hired as a guest soloist for a much smaller orchestra to play the first part on it, and in his preparation for that, I read it in practice sessions with he and two other local players. In both cases, I was playing the lowest, fourth part, which is what I do normally professionally.
This piece is another great example of how pieces are often revised/edited, as we were talking about a few months ago here. Almost never is it done anymore the way Schumann wrote the solo parts. There are several different versions out there where the solo parts have been re-written (by horn players) so that first horn part is not so murderous to play. Some of the really high parts are given to the second and third horns, so the workload is spread around a little more. In all these different versions, the orchestral parts are unchanged, I am merely referring to the four solo horn parts. In fact, I am not sure I have ever heard a performance with the solo parts exactly as Schumann originally wrote them - that is a very murderous first horn part, indeed. Schumann didn't really understand that when he wrote it - he was not the best orchestrator (the term refers to deciding which instrument actually plays what once the writing of the composition is finished - another term used is scoring). The piece is a real oddity, but it is a good piece, and is always popular when performed. It is very fun to play, and really shows off what a quartet of horns can do. |
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Rok, I work at home, and Pandora is always on in the background. Randy's work on the cut was what got my attention to get up and see who the heck it was that was jammin' so tuff. I'm going to create a channel for her in my Pandora lineup so that I can get more exposure of her work. She's a keeper.
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"Randy's work is what got my attention...", "I'm going to create a channel for HER...".????? I've been a Randy Brecker fan for over 40 years. I've seen him and his brother Michael (RIP) many, many times. His body of work is prodigious and eclectic. Between his work and all the recordings he's been on his discography is enormous. He's got to be one of the most recorded trumpet players of all time! Maybe you should also create a channel for Randy! Just sayin'!;) |
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Thanks for a very detailed, informative, and eye-opening reply. I will order a CD of the Schumann Horn piece. For some reason, there does not seem to be that many CDs available.:)
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Chaz...I've been a Randy Brecker fan for 40 years myself. The first time I heard him was on the Idris Muhammad album
'Power Of Soul', his trumpet solo on "Loran's Dance" made me a fan of his for life. That's why when I first heard the tune yesterday, the horn player sounded familiar.
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My best friends brother played piano, they had a baby grand, and he went to Juilliard. The next door neighbor would come over and listen to him play and practice. After watching for a few minutes, the neighbor could play anything he played. While he grew up to teach music and never record, the neighbor became an entertainer who could jam, he could set the house on fire; I watched him do it many a night. I don't have a clue as to what it takes to be a "jazz musician". While I had a friend who was a professional "jazz musician" live with me for an entire summer, who never practiced, (since I didn't have an organ or piano, he couldn't even if he wanted to). We never talked music (if Einstein was your friend, I doubt you would be discussing his "Theory of Relativity", especially if you didn't know squat about it) The mesmerized look on my face every time I watched him play, certainly told him what I thought about his music; there was certainly no need to discuss that. We talked about his life as a professional jazz musician, he never got tired of talking about it, and I never got tired of listening to him talk about it. Although I have every record he ever made, the music he played that summer was far advanced from those records; that pains me because he died before any of that music was recorded; now it's just a memory I can't prove. These thoughts came to me after looking and listening to the "Lennie Tristano" interview; that's a very important in depth interview about being a "jazz musician". Lennie said, "You could make your fingers reproduce your deepest feelings", and he added "All you do is hear music in your head and reproduce it". [11-07-14] Some got it, and some no got it. Shiela Jordan studied with Lennie, and she's a great jazz musician, here she is; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZHteISQ-bw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r8XF9YkyeMEnjoy the music. |
Rok, there are quite a lot of recordings of the piece out there. One of the relatively recent ones that is great is with conductor John Eliot Gardiner's period instrument group.
A slightly older one from the 80s, on DG, with the Chicago Symphony section is also really famous among those audiophiles who love to listen for extraneous noises on recordings. The principal cellist, Frank Miller, grunts very audibly in the second movement. I think Barenboim conducted that recording, but don't remember and don't have my file in front of me. |
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I found both of your recommendations on Amazon. Thanks. Not too much into hearing EVERYTHING on a CD. I have a Anne Sophie-Mutter CD I can hardly listen to, due to her breathing. I realize folks gotta breath, but someone in the control booth should have corrected this. I guess they don't call them SACDs for nothing.
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Shelia Jordan was good, but no match for Trane, and / or, Oscar Brown Jr. They own those tunes.
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Rok, comparing Sheila Jordan and Trane was apples and oranges; the tune originated with the play "The Sound of Music", this is the original "My Favorite Things". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33o32C0ogVMWhile Trane's version was killer jazz, it's a long way from the original, and that's why Sheila tops Trane; her version convey's the "essence" of the tune. In the case of Oscar Brown Jr., you were referring to "Dat Dere", when your post read for "My Favorite Thing". Since he wrote the Lyrics to "Dat Dere" I would hope that he captured the essence of that tune better than anyone else. Here's Herby Hancock "Maiden Voyage", done by Herby; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwmRQ0PBtXUAgain, here's "Lenny Andrede"; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B2WicKm0dcI spent a lot of time cruising in the "Duece", while at the same time going on Herby Hancock's "Maiden Voyage"; Lenny Andrede takes me back to that time; what Tony Bennet said is irrelevant. Enjoy the music. |
That Johnny Mathis "Sleigh Ride", and video hit it out of the park; I especially liked the video, it reminds me of "Art Hill" in Forest Park where this happens every year; as for the rest...............
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Rok, I selected my records the same way you did, some turned out good, others didn't; I'm looking at a stack that didn't, they'll go to Goodwill, or the dumpster.
Lee Morgan was the ultimate jazz musician, you can bet none of his records are going to the dumpster, while other very well known musicians are leaving here.
Lennie Tristano said "You can make your fingers reproduce your deepest feelings"; Red Garland's fingers reproduced his deepest feelings, I could hear that song better than any vocalist could sing it; his fingers confirmed what Lennie Tristano said.
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****as for the rest...............****
I beg your pardon??
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"As for the rest"; Bing Crosby is "I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas". To a certain extent, our minds are computers that have been programmed; this is especially true in regard to our subconscious; everyone knows exactly what Jesus, Joseph, and Mary looked like. While we can over ride our subconscious, I choose to "go with the flow" on Christmas music.
In regard to "Hello Dolly", all of the above have been more programmed than the original; consequentially, all of the above sound better than the original. If my posts seem contradictory, so are many of the facts of life, just "Go with the flow".
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O-10: I liked "Osamu Kitajima" best of all. But all were very good listening. However, you ain't heard real Jazz, until you have heard Jazz from / in, Kathmandu, Nepal. These guys can Play! The band is called 'Cadenza'. Real improvisation going on here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTCc7glkKmoCheers |
Rok, now you're getting the hang of things; a musician, is a musician, is a musician whether he's in Kathmandu or New York, they're a special breed. No matter what instrument I pick up it begins to make noise the instant I touch it. Those guys were born with something special. Remember my best friends brother, and the next door neighbor; brother taught school until he retired, while the neighbor became a musician who made music for the people. I never even heard brother play; it seems he was more fond of traveling, skiing, sailing, and doing all the things his education and teaching salary enabled him to do, than he was of making music. There was some boss improvisation going on there. Let's keep things in this same groove for awhile. How about a little blues from the east; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI2PvbAGNBc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPVlWIwSqYIThis one has beautiful photos to go with the music; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlmpMnHEstMI have beautiful photos of the lady who plays koto with Hiroshima from when they were in St. Louis. Enjoy the music. |
Today's Listen: Roy Haynes/Phineas Newborn/Paul Chambers -- WE THREE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwQKh9RDjWwOne of my most recent purchases. Excellent!! Newborn, quietly and effortlessly, plays out of his head. We won't hear stuff like this, in Kathmandu or Japan!! :) Ain't got it? Git outta Jazz! Cheers |
I said it once and I'll say it again, "There was a jazz explosion in the late 50's, early 60's"; every time I think I've got all the killers from that time, somebody comes up with a killer I don't have. This "After Hours" ranks with the best I've ever heard; except for the one "Satin Doll", a stripper, used to open her act, but maybe the scenery had a lot to do with that version, "Play it again Sam".
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You can't win em all; although Bags and Trane is a killer, I must have bought it when it came out, and you finally came up with a Mingus I could live without, but that goes for almost all of our favorite artists.
You going in one direction, and me going in another is working out just fine for me; I'm adding old killers that I thought I had, while at the same time we're both discovering new music, which is what it's all about.
HAVE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING !
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Gentlemen, I hope you will find this album interesting as well. Pedro Iturralde quartet and Hampton Hawes...Iturralde(b.1929) is spanish composer, teacher and player of many instruments http://youtu.be/bBhMHm7hpq0 |
***you finally came up with a Mingus I could live without***
Then, you should surely be able to do without Air, Water and Food.
You do know the meaning of the word "Blasphemy"?? :)
You have a Happy Thanksgiving Also.
BTW, that was Mingus' 'Changes One'. We'll get to 'Changes two' after Thanksgiving. Don't wanna spoil your Thanksgiving appetite!
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Happy Thanksgiving! Lots of good suggestions lately! An ambitious work. Changing the small group Shorter compositions to Big Band. Sometimes works better than others. I have been enjoying it lately. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZl12wxfghU |
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Rok, what's most amazing about these "old killers" are the new things I'm discovering from them. When I bought them ages ago, I simply listened, enjoyed the music without going into the "sidemen" who made it happen. Now that I'm more aware of how important they are in making the music, I can appreciate each contribution, which means I appreciate the music even more now than I did before. Keep em coming!
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Frogman, your post came in right on time, I was in the mood for some "cool jazz" when I heard Thad Jones and Mel Lewis; yes, all you musicians and the music you make is worthy of thanks, and I appreciate it every day.
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O-10: *****When I bought them ages ago, I simply listened, enjoyed the music without going into the "sidemen" who made it happen. Now that I'm more aware of how important they are in making the music,****** You nailed it. I feel the same. I am now even more aware of that on the old Motown stuff. A lot of Jazz guys played in the bands backing the popular Motown groups. One reason why it was the pinnacle of POP music. I used to really "Dig" this guy. I have lots of his stuff on LP. See and hear him differently now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlaygvkd-VcDid you notice on the Preservation Hall clip, there was no Clarinet or Banjo!! Not a good sign. Esp for a Nawlins based group. Cheers |
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Jazzmen playing on albums of another genre, here are two albums that I like. First John Mayall live 'Jazz Blues Fusion' with Blue Mitchell on trumpet... http://youtu.be/6MMX5DwBaZQOn this T Bone Walker's album there are more jazzmen than on jazz at philharmonic editions. 'Very Rare', with Dizyy, Herbie Mann, Al Cohn, Zoot Sims,Fathead Newman,G.Mulligan,etc. Great album http://youtu.be/Mc4abSHRhEchttp://youtu.be/QRzawYcbmJoListening to this J.J. Cale song led me to a great harp player, so if someone is in such mood, here it is, first J.J.Cale, than Charlie McCoy's album 'Harpin the Blues' http://youtu.be/lOINPNtuUhchttp://youtu.be/Nj7vjn8hUDw |
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Gypsy Queen - AWESOME!! The music was pretty nice also. :)
Not a huge fan of Chico Hamilton. I do remember the Album Cover, and him in his Vampire Cape! Szabo was good on all the clips.
"Stereophile" recommends music based on how it sounds on "Audiophile" systems. Sort of like demonstration CDs. The music seems to be secondary, if at all, in importance. But good luck. I think their "Desert Island" list, includes a recording of a helicopter engine at full throttle.
You don't happen to have any old STEREO REVIEW magazines do you? You would do much better there.
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Rok, "Stereo Review" is much better when it comes to jazz. They recommended Flip Phillips's "Try a Little Tenderness" album; he's an artist we'll have to peruse. I'll get back to you after I've gone through the magazines I can find. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6e3-L8-qrQEnjoy the music. |
Alex, that jazz blues fusion was one of a kind, what a "hodge podge"; it certainly evokes mixed emotions. T- Bone Walker was as much a showman, as he was a blues artist. There no doubt about "Little Walter" being the king of the blues harpist; here he is on "My Babe" which was one of his biggest hits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3cKJ42HAd0Enjoy the music. |
