Jazz for aficionados
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Rok, like you pointed out Chuck Mangione, there is another artist that had his time in the Sun at about that same time, and that's Eumir Deodato. I have a number of his cuts on my "play list". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRPzvgugShI&list=PLG9jLl6Ldd_gJ8vwZKDPOmudIuLp-EMiS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boXD-tsBuOA |
Dee Dee is so creative; here she is Paris France with an African twist;I love it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfzn0bSObFk |
Schubert, if this is of any meaning to you, I would be quite sad if you leave. If my memories serves me right, once before you have already taken the pause from the thread and I was glad when you have returned. Odd as it may seem, since this is quite impersonal way of communication, still is and man somehow becomes 'close' to all caracters here, despite or because of their diversity. I guess written things might seem 'heavier' than spoken ones and with that notion in mind, it becomes easier to look over some. As Johnny Cash would say in StQuentin prison.... 'I can understan how do you fell about some things,not of my business how do you think about some other things and I dont give a damn how do you feel abot some other things'.... Well, if that does not work, than I can only think of this... https://youtu.be/2lAY-rRRa4o |
schubert, forgetting is easier said than done. I was only there from the safety of distance in intelligence photos. So I admit I can't truly imagine what the experience must have been. Now I would hope you can find peace through the escape in music. Focus on that as much as your time will allow. I too hope you don't leave, you are a worthy contributor. Perhaps when you visit the site your discipline will allow you to skip to the next post as soon as you see anything other than jazz being mentioned and not become tangled in "the other stuff". Such analysis is beyond my pay grade but I suspect that continuing on here could be beneficial in being reminded of older music you've forgotten, by hearing new things you enjoy, and by generally stoking your mind with information on a subject you obviously enjoy so much. Peace brother. |
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frogman Awesome Sonny Stitt selections. Here is Miles proving that you can "evolve" while still sounding awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN0rvZwTwRI The change of pace around 18:30 is, IMHO, awesomely great. |
The best sax solo ever, is the one by "Joe Henderson" on Grant Green's "Idle Moments". The cut "Idle Moments" was supposed to have been only 7 minutes long, but when Joe Henderson got in his groove, and it was apparent the cut was going to go over, Rudy Van Gelder, the recording engineer, who was also in the groove, decided that there was no way he was going to stop this, so he let Joe blow until Joe stopped. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq0m0hbCjFQ |
Sometime when I hear Grant Green, I almost break out in tears. I knew Grant Green, I can't say I was a friend, but his best friend and fellow musician was a close friend of mine. Some of the reasons I break out in tears are too personal to reveal, but one of the reasons is how tragic his personal life was, and the fact that he should have been rich. Grant Green was a man of the streets, and as such, that was the way he lived. I knew and heard him even before he made his first record. He was a star in and around St. Louis before "Blue Note" came and got him. Grant's music that I heard isn't even recorded, except in my mind, I heard Grant Green play for Grant Green; it sounded like he was crying on the inside and trying to soothe his tears. |
Dexter Gordon's solo on "Tanya" from the album "One Flight Up" is a masterpiece as well. It also happen to be one of my favorite jazz songs. Just a great composition. Along with Gordon is Donald Byrd on trumpet, Niels-Henning Orsted Pedersen on bass, Kenny Drew on piano and Art Taylor on drums. No wonder its such a great tune and album as well. A must have for jazz aficionado's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaxb70VaEZs |
Idle Moments: Outstanding title track. This should be up there in 'KOB' and 'Somethin' Else' Territory. It just 'sounds' like playing a sax softly is a difficult thing to do. The time length situation reminded me of the Emperor telling Mozart his Opera was great, just too many notes. But given the time constraints of the LP, it's understandable. I am listening to the CD version. It has enough room for the alternate takes of both 'Django' and 'Jean De Fleur'. Cheers How did I get so many Grant Green CDs? The OP's influence at work? |
Pjw, thanks for alerting me to that LP, which is how I'll get it; the soul of the horn and the musician is best on vinyl, but CD is good too. Those artists have jelled so well together that each one of them is a star, although Dexter Gordon and Donald Byrd's solos stands out; that makes them a star among stars. Every aficionado I talked to who knew Dexter, told me he was playing himself in the movie "Round Midnight"; there was no acting involved, we were watching Dexter being Dexter. I will get that ASAP, probably CD, and shop for the LP. |
Not the best albums ever, but one of the best cuts ever; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbaGDDbpcQ4 |
I'm hearing more albums better than KOB by accident; here is a candidate; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrqb0373cVs |
When I was in the Air Force, in 1960, my room mate brought KOB for us to share for the first time. I liked it, and he thought it was spectacular; he was the first of the KOB breed. It's been a long time since 1960, and so many boss LP's have gone past these ears since that time; it would stand to mathematical reason that one of them would be better than KOB. Rok, when you hear people talking about how many special LP's they have of KOB, you know what conclusion to come to when it comes to jazz. I rest my case. |
“I never even thought about whether or not they understand what I'm doing . . . the emotional reaction is all that matters as long as there's some feeling of communication, it isn't necessary that it be understood.” John Coltrane That's what John Coltrane said, and now some one posted this thread; Help me understand John Coltrane .... seriously. That thread has 113 posts. Can you guess why I have not posted on that thread? |
In high school, I took physics, chemistry and Algebra III. In algebra III you had to solve several different complex problems before you could even begin to answer the question. That meant you had to set up the equation at each step of the game. In each one of those subjects there was only "one" answer to the question. This is not physics, chemistry, or algebra III; this is jazz, the answer to the question has to be provided by "you", not me but "you". Nothing is more comical to me, than the fact that others look to a resident "Guru", who has musical knowledge comparable to those who have graduated from "Julee- Yard", for answers. If this was chemistry, physics, or algebra III, that would make all the sense in the world, but this is not an absolute science; jazz is abstract music created by musicians who may not even know where or what "Julee - Yard" is; they create music from the soul. Our resident "Guru" and myself are on opposite ends of the musical spectrum, that's well known. There are a multitude of questions he can answer in regard to the mechanics of music, but he can not answer questions that fall into the "metaphysical" realm of music. This post might seem to indicate an element of envy regarding our resident "Guru", but I consider it to be a statement of fact. You draw your conclusions from that, and whatever conclusions you draw are correct. |
@orpheus10 Couldn't agree more with this: there are more jazz LP's better than KOB than you can shake a stick at; you let them pick theirs and you pick yours. KOB is sort of like a gateway drug. It was easy for the masses to get their head around start to experience jazz. I realize some never wanted to go any further to challenge their senses. I continue to dive down the jazz rabbit hole. I need to go back and read postings in this thread to get fresh ideas. |
How sad that the level of insecurity and emotional reliance on being “top dog” (to use his term) is so high that it can cause an individual to stoop to such a level of negativity and condescension. Instead of, at least, simple respect for a different point of view; or, at most, use it as an opportunity to learn something new, the approach is, instead, to demean in an effort to pump oneself up. Once again, it becomes obvious that for some it is not really about love for the music; but, instead, love for how much they want to feel that they “love” the music; a calling card. I could say a lot more, but it would be pointless. However, the reason to point this out is that this narrow and close minded attitude is antithetical to one of the very core values of the music itself; open mindedness and respect for the unknown which is what leads to creativity itself. However, better to make a point by way of example: There is probably not a single prominent Jazz musician, past (post 1959, of course) or present, that doesn’t recognize KOB as one of the greatest Jazz recordings ever made. Many, if forced to choose, might choose it as “the greatest”. How listeners feel about the recording is well known. But, wait! Our OP, who needlessly has to turn discussions negative, contentious, and into a competition asserts that “there are more jazz LP’s better than KOB than you can shake a stick at;”..............right. O-10, I am not competing with you and you shouldn’t be so concerned with competing with me. I have less than zero interest in being top dog or any kind of guru. You want to lay claim to superior, even exclusive. appreciation of some abstract “metaphysical” component in Jazz? That’s fine; good for you. So.....explain yourself. Show what you got! Stating that KOB is “not that good” is meaningless. Tell us, in relevant detail, why recording X, Y, or Z is better; and, in detail, why KOB is inferior. Anything other than that is simply agenda driven opinion: not, as you claim, “fact”. Eeny Meeny Miny Moe Catch an OP by the toe If he hollers let him go Eeny Meeny Miny Moe Herbie Hancock Orpheus ten Who to trust just like Burns Ken If he hollers let him go Herbie Hancock Orpheus ten https://youtu.be/Pwc1d4qxz4M |
Modern jazz, while being music, is also a form of communication above and beyond all spoken languages; that's why Bobby Timmons "Moanin" can communicate with people everywhere around the world, no need to speak English, this tune is communicated in the language of music, it's universally understood around the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNjRQo-zpKA This "music" is communicating "down and out". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv9NSR-2DwM Modern jazz communicates a range of thoughts and emotions that can not be communicated by the best linguist in whatever language; all you gotta do is listen. |
Frogman, why do you always, 100% of the time, misinterpret my words? If you wish to engage in a conversation, let us do so. I was comparing two different points of view. While I comically referred to "Juilliard", one of the most prestigious schools in the nation, I meant no harm. How sad that the level of insecurity and emotional reliance on being “top dog” (to use his term) is so high that it can cause an individual to stoop to such a level of negativity and condescension. Instead of, at least, simple respect for a different point of view; or, at most, use it as an opportunity to learn something new, the approach is, instead, to demean in an effort to pump oneself up. Once again, it becomes obvious that for some it is not really about love for the music; but, instead, love for how much they want to feel that they “love” the music; a calling card. Forgive me Frogman, I had no idea I was doing all of that, it was certainly not my intention. I didn’t know that I was emotionally insecure; I’ll have to check the budget and see if I can afford a psychiatrist, they are very expensive you know. In regard to KOB, you are proving everything I stated; you are taking the stance that it’s objective and one should automatically regard KOB, as the best jazz ever; while I’m saying each listener should reserve that decision for him or herself. All of those people who spoke, spoke for themselves, and when I speak, it’s for me; I don’t allow other people to speak for me. Frogman, on this entire Agon forum, audiophiles can talk for days about this speaker or that speaker, but as you know, mine are custom made. If my rig is designed for me, why shouldn’t my collection be the same? |
Rok, I don't mean to belittle others taste in music, but there ain't no gravel roads in St. Louis. I think this is where you're coming from. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgnnrZfoZS0 |
Rok, I have asked myself major questions about Grant Green that I believe are related. The first question is why don't I have Grant Green records as opposed to CD's. I have Kenny Burrell records. Those records came out when there was no such thing as CD. Once I was told there could be a wide difference between the recording date and the release date. I just don't know why I don't have Grant Green records? I thought Grant Green was at least well to do, as opposed to being so poor that he had to go to New York when his doctor told him it would kill him? Ray Charles had a drug problem, and he wasn't poor. Many musicians have had drug problems and made enough money to pay for drugs and not be poor. I forgot, we're only supposed to talk about music. |
My first moanin', and a great record. I assume everyone has this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BzkiZBzcu4 Cheers |
Today's Listen: Dee Dee Bridgewater -- ELEANORA FAGAN TO BILLIE WITH LOVE FROM DEE DEE BRIDGEWATER 2 Disc set. CD with DVD. DVD from a performance in Spain. Stunning cover art photo. Can be added to her tributes Ella, Silver and Kurt Weill. All excellent. Great booklet with photos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD7D0Ba6ITU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DoG61GzIvc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnnIkqxj8n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a0VDjEUEmY I know you Aficionados know this, but anyway, Eleanora Fagan is Billie Holiday's birth name. Cheers |
Although I like the authenticity of Billie’s voice, the music and recording quality of this recording is off the chart. This album won the 2011 Grammy Award for Best Jazz Vocal Album, Bridgewater’s third Grammy win in her career. "Lady Sings the Blues" (Billie Holiday, Herbie Nichols) – 3:31 "All of Me" (Gerald Marks, Seymour Simons) – 2:58 "Good Morning Heartache" (Ervin Drake, Dan Fisher, Irene Higginbotham) – 5:10 "Lover Man (Oh, Where Can You Be?)" (Jimmy Davis, Roger ("Ram") Ramirez, and James Sherman) – 4:43 "You’ve Changed" (Bill Carey, Carl Fischer) – 5:11 "Miss Brown to You" (Leo Robin, Richard A. Whiting, Ralph Rainger) – 2:12 "Don’t Explain" (Holiday, Arthur Herzog, Jr.) – 6:15 "Fine and Mellow" (Holiday) – 4:55 "Mother’s Son-In-Law" (Alberta Nichols, Mann Holiner) – 2:46 "God Bless the Child" (Holiday, Herzog) – 5:13 "A Foggy Day" (George Gershwin, Ira Gershwin) – 4:33 "Strange Fruit" (Abel Meeropol) – 4:16 Personnel Dee Dee Bridgewater - vocals, producer, artistic director Christian McBride - double bass Lewis Nash - drums Edsel Gomez - Piano James Carter - who plays bass clarinet, alto flute, soprano saxophone, tenor saxophone, is quite impressive on this album, it will be added to my collection. "God Blessed The Child", written by Billie Holliday is the song on this album that touched me most, while I liked the music on the cut "Lady Sings The Blues" best. |
Gil Scot Heron must be turning over in his grave; 1974 was 56 years ago and everything he tried to change is much worse; the "Ghetto" was a paradise compared to what it is today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drTjTE8MCBU&list=PLRzdMCYnDofrWAMGWuJb2EfQomHeDkDK3&index=6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2zKdIcOV5s&list=PLRzdMCYnDofrWAMGWuJb2EfQomHeDkDK3&index=5 Calling Gil Scott Heron a "Rapper" is an insult. |
I remember having the LP "The Revolution will not be Televised" in my hands at a Sound Warehouse store in Austin, weighing whether to buy it or not. I don't have it, so I guess I bought something else instead. He didn't look like my idea of a Jazz player. But, the clips you posted I like, proving, you can't, and shouldn't try, to judge a book by it's cover. Cheers |
