Jazz for aficionados


Jazz for aficionados

I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.

Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.

The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".

"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.

While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.

Enjoy the music.
orpheus10
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Speaking of PCs, anyone still running windows 7?  Do we have to get win 10?
I have heard that Windows 95 are the best...
No success on the movie soundtracks; kind of hard to find a soundtrack when you don’t remember the movie, never the less, what I found is pretty good.
Precisely my point O-10.

Alex, I forgot to ask you and can’t find it anywhere here but I know you posted it before. Movie soundtracks, ’70s? Anyway, you know what I like, can you please resend it somewhere again?
Re “West Coast Jazz”:

Personally, I don’t like the term. It is misused too often, is too broad a term and is not descriptive enough. Jazz in the West Coast has always represented different styles; some of which are associated with the East Coast. What is usually meant when West Coast Jazz is cited is “Cool Jazz”. I prefer this term for its descriptive quality and how it does a better job differentiating it from Bebop/Hardbop which are Jazz styles more commonly associated with the East Coast.

Adding to the confusion is that the West Coast has always had a bebop/hardbop scene that, while not nearly as extensive as the bebop scene of the East Coast, was and is an important part of the overall West Coast Jazz scene and Jazz in general. The perfect example of this is Clifford Brown; a musician often associated with the West Coast, but who was a bebopper through and through. There were many others. There were also others who played in styles that melded the two stereotypical styles, each to varying degrees, associated with the two coasts. Pjw’s fantastic Stan Getz clips (a favorite record) are a good example of this. Undoubtedly a bebopper as far as harmonic concept, but a tenor player who played with the type of softer edged and lyrical tone usually associated with Cool Jazz.

If a general distinction must be made, I think Rok’s comment about West Coast Jazz, while arguably somewhat subjective and over simplified, is actually appropriate:

**** Too smooth, no grit / bite. ****

In other words, “cool”; as distinguished from the harder edged, grittier and generally more aggressive quality of Bebop which was and is more prevalent in the East Coast. In fact, before the overly broad term “West Coast Jazz” was first (mis)used, the two descriptive terms used to differentiate the two broad styles were “Cool Jazz” and “Hot Jazz”.

From a historical/evolutionary perspective, a couple of interesting things not highlighted so far that were instrumental 😉 in the shaping of Jazz in the West Coast and Jazz in general:

Rok is correct that NYC (East Coast) is the creative center of the Jazz scene. However, this wasn’t always the case. In fact, it was the West Coast that was the center of the Jazz scene early in the general evolution of the music. The introduction of regular train service from New Orleans to California in the early 20th century allowed many early New Orleans Jazz musicians to travel to California for the first time. This was an important part of the beginning of the new style of music (Hot Jazz) that would take the country by storm.

Another important factor in all this was the growth of Hollywood and the entertainment industry in general in LA. Many of the Jazz musicians in LA would find lucrative employment in the Hollywood film and radio studios. One of the distinguishing characteristics of “Cool” (“West Coast Jazz”) is the emphasis on the composition and the arrangements; often very interesting and intricate. This is a direct offshoot of the music that these musicians were playing in the Hollywood studios; music that was, by definition and requirement, more musically “scripted” with comparatively less emphasis on solo improvisation and more emphasis on the compositional aspects of the music. Importantly, the demands on musicians playing a film or radio recording session are usually very different from those for playing in a club. The demands in a studio are for a more controlled, more subdued and less aggressive tone with a high degree of precision. In other words, “cool”. All this will work its way into the general playing styles of musicians whether they are in the studio or the after work late night jam session. Of course, the already mentioned generally more laid back California culture added to all this. Those pesky influences again....and a Jazz style is born.

https://youtu.be/eTfEfV917U0

(Btw, removed and reposted because the system would not let me edit the previous post)

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The Frogman:

Thanks for the comprehensive post on West / East coast Jazz.  I think I speak for all, when I say How much we do appreciate the time and effort you take to share your knowledge.

Cheers
All great movies, all Jazz soundtracks, and all about the seedier side of life.   What's the message here?

Cheers
Today's Listen:

Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers  --  MOSAIC
messengers include Freddie Hubbard, Curtis Fuller, Wayne Shorter

One of the better incarnations of The Jazz Messengers.

Notes:  They talk about a tour of Japan where they were aired on Japanese Television for an entire hour.   'Color' television at that.  That seemed to impress them to no end.   They point out that the Japanese are very advanced in 'Color' TV.   Talk about sounding dated.

However, the music is fresh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzfURZdmkx8  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS9wQqFgR68  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqI7KG1ERyQ  

Question for the OP.   Does Blakey solo on every tune they play?  You being a big fan of Art Blakey.

Cheers
I have 52 Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers albums. 12 - 15 of them are live. He does not solo on every tune but among the great jazz groups and great drummers, In which categories the Messengers and Blakey certainly belong, their music contains more drum solo's then any others.
One thing that the OP and I share is we are both big Art Blakey and Grant Green fans.

I have just about everything Grant Green put out as a leader (going on 30 albums) and even more with him as a side man.


My Art Blakey collection is about a half dozen or so short of all of his recordings live and studio.

What I seek is seeking me...It is just that we play little bit of hide and seek in between.

Mulgrew Miller - What a Difference a Day Makes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EHxVPT33NE

Mulgrew Miller - Like the morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35D2RTg6Jao

Thanks to Pjw, I filled that "West Coast" gap in my collection; it's on the way.


Somebody mentioned "new jazz"; this is the first time I heard that album you submitted Rok, that's new jazz to me.
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Volume 2 "Shelly Manne and his Men" Live at the Blackhawk "Vamps Blues" and I hope our OP has this on the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wza0PhuQOzE&t=368s

My disc is 2 channel stereo. Right speaker has Trumpet and piano and the left saxophone, bass and drums. The overall separation and sound field is solid. The dynamic range is as it should be. Highs and lows are distinctly recognizable. The symbols sound terrific.

This is the CD box set. When the OP gets his LP’s, which may be mono, I want a review of the sonics.

Personnel"
Shelly Manne drums
Joe Gordon trumpet
Richie Kamuca tenor sax
Victor Feldman piano
Monty Budwig bass

Here is a beautiful waltz from the same album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NTPK0Y09P4
To a degree, rok.England will be the poorest country in Europe . Scotland will be the new Norway with 95% of sames GOP.
Wales will join the Irish Republic and be somewhat richer and have 6 times as much fun ,Northern Ireland will collapse and became a colony of Estonia .
Royal Family will be new Royals of South Africa .But not for long .What goes around ...............
That "Blue Daniel" is just plain lovely . Even the harsh sound can’t stop that ..
Schubert,

I give all 5 albums of that Shelly Manne live Blackhawk 5 stars. It is just an incredible date at that club.
This the Best Betty Carter I have , to my hears anyway .

https://youtu.be/GJRGynQG2sI?t=3

In her first photo on this , the young lady was just stone -cold beautiful .
Up there in the Mary Jo range !

I always enjoy beautiful ladies with beautiful voices, and Betty Carter was young and beautiful then; she never sounded better.

Sophie Milman is lovely with a smooth soothing voice and just when I was getting into it, that noisy drummer distracted me.

This is the version of "Every Time we say Goodbye" I listen to; it's the one that I can see myself in the picture, and this is from one of my favorite CD's.


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn7fGmGJUak
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Today's Listen:


Roy Hargrove Quintet  --  WITH THE TENORS OF OUR TIME
the tenors are:Johnny Griffin, Joe Henderson, Branford Marsalis, Joshua Redman, and Stanley Turrentine

Turrentine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERsjIjpfdlI   


Griffin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3MFQaUA0mY 


Marsalis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lyR-V8td3w 

In the notes he gives Special Thanks to almost everyone in the Alpha Quadrant, to include,...."all the Jazz listeners and supporters around the world".   That would be us.   Nice touch you don't see everyday.

Cheers


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O10, and others with a similar interest, you very likely know that Shelly Manne made several recordings with the same trio except it was identified as being led by Andre Previn. I’m not sure but possibly the label thought Previn was more broadly known so might sell more records? Anyway, the Previn Trio produced several very good albums. Playback is not that great here but the music shines through -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0m_ra7ypzM

I had a good friend in San Diego who was a drummer strongly influenced by Manne, Jim Plank. Always very tasteful and supportive of the music without every "showing off". He was also a percussionist with the Symphony, but jazz was his real love. I use past tense only because he retired.
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Frog, while "cool jazz" has been an accepted term for some time, more recently I suspect it causes confusion.  A new subdivision emerged some years ago, "smooth jazz", and I fear cool jazz gets mixed up with that by those only looking at the broad heading.

I don't care for smooth jazz, to me it sounds like what I hear in a doctor's office or even in an elevator.  It's the "light beer" of the jazz world.  It may fit the very general category, but has no substance.

So now that exposes two prejudices I do hold! ;^)
In the Lou Donaldson interview I posted above the interviewer asks Lou about the band he was in that played the soundtrack for a movie called "Pitch A Boogie Woogie" Here a very interesting article I found which mentions the many players who auditioned for the soundtrack band. Here is an excerpt from the article


""Coltrane was just a kid when he came through," he said. "There were so many of them that came in wanting to jam, and we had this trick to keep them thinned out. 'Cherokee' is a difficult tune, especially the bridge, in B flat, and we had 10-12 tenors waiting. It was Guy, Woods and me, and all these trumpet players and sax players waiting to jam. So we changed the key to B. Coltrane stumbled on his solo and put his horn down."

Lou Donaldson passed the test.

Full article here:

https://digital.lib.ecu.edu/text/116


Here is one of my favorite Lou Donaldson songs. He played this song every time I saw him and always used those same jokes at the beginning.

"Back down in North Carolina where I'm from we call this music suffering music. If you never suffered you cant understand this music. You have to be on your way home from work and lose all of your pay. Or you get home and your wife has run off with your next door neighbor." L.D.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG5MLaPqlng