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nsp, re Bobby Henderson: Yes, stride piano. “Ain’t Misbehaving” was written by Fats Waller, considered the greatest of the stride piano players. Great clips, Alex. Loved that “Jitterbug Waltz”. Wonderful player, Henderson. nsp, great Lee Morgan clips. Higgins is great as always. Wasn’t familiar with that record and it goes on to buy list. Interesting about the dates with Wayne Shorter? Here’s a favorite Wayne Shorter record with Higgins, but with Freddie Hubbard on trumpet instead: https://youtu.be/pFb51lJzw7khttps://youtu.be/qFZ-F4RIIQQ |
Checked in tonight to catch up on this thread, and noticed some postings of the Ravel Pavane for a Dead Princess. For me personally, one of the very most beautiful versions of the opening horn solo was Myron Bloom's, with the Cleveland Orchestra and George Szell conducting. It is on an LP with the Debussy La Mer. Anyway, Mr. Bloom died just the other day - horn players all over the world are mourning him. I listened to his Pavane that day. Quite a bit different sound from Stefan Dohr, who although of course a very great player, is definitely not everyone in the horn world's king, especially from the musical side.....horn playing has changed in New York a very great deal over the last decade or two, Frogman, especially if many are expressing a preference for Dohr, who is pretty much a polar opposite of what used to be the New York horn style. Although that was not my style (and neither is Dohr's or Bloom's), it is sad to see it almost completely disappearing now. |
nsp,
I have the 3 Lee Morgan sessions on the Veejay label.
Eddie Higgins piano on "Expoobident".
Wynton Kelly piano on "Here's Lee Morgan"
Both feature Clifford Jordon on tenor sax and Art Blakey on drums. The bass player changes from Art Davis on "Expoobident" to Paul Chambers on "Here's Lee Morgan"
The third Veejay album with Lee Morgan, "The Young Lions" has an altogether different lineup and Wayne Shorter does play tenor sax on it. The rest of the personnel:
Frank Strozier alto sax
Bobby Timmons piano
Bob Cranshaw bass
Albert "Tootie Heath" drums on tracks 3, 5, and 8.
Louis Hayes drums tracks 1, 2, 6, and 7
All three Veejay album sessions were recorded in 1960 sandwiched in between Lee Morgan Blue Note dates.
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frogman, I was not aware that Eddie Higgins played piano on that Wayne Shorter album which I do not have. I shall have to remedy that. Using Higgins without putting Eddie or Billy in front of it could confuse the uninitiated who may pop up here from time to time. Speaking of the drummer, Billy Higgins, here is an interesting video I stumbled on this past winter which made me purchase volumes 1 through 3 of Cedar Walton's "The Trio" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4BYt3l7zEM |
Always good to have you check in, Learsfool. I will defer to you on all things French horn. I agree about Bloom’s greatness and would add that no one player is ever “king” to all concerned. Yes, things have changed quite a bit stylistically over the last couple of decades in NY as in many other places; on all instruments. As a friend often says “We’re the old guys now”.
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The greatest horn player I ever heard, young, old or middle-age Is
Hermann Baumann !
The first time I ever heard him live I was stunned . One of the top 5 players I have ever heard of anything.
85 and still teaching .
Do you two think the changes are to move toward what audiences hear these days, aka rock, or are just a natural progression ? In all things human the new thing is, more often than not as good as the old thing .
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frogmanThat Wayne shorter date you posted with Eddie Higgins must be the one that he referred to in the interview I quoted. It seems like a nice Straight Ahead Bebop date. Most of my Eddie Higgins material is from later in his career so discovering the earlier a dates is great. Eddie Higgins also mentioned that he played and recorded a lot with Al Gray who became a good friend of his.
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pjw the date the date you referenced with Lee Morgan and wayne shorter together are both on a cd twofer I purchased many years ago on mosaic records. When I pull them out and looked at the credits Eddie Higgins name did not appear. That's where I got confused because I thought both Lee Morgan and Wayne shorter played with him together. Apparently he did separate dates with Lee Morgan and Wayne shorter that he referred to as being a major boost to his career
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Hi Schubert - I was referring not to musical styles but to styles of horn playing. Sound concepts, equipment played on, etc. The New York horn players in the not very distant past had a very distinctive style - players like John Barrows, Gunther Schuller, who has recently been mentioned on this thread, Julie Landsman, Phil Meyers, etc. They all played the same make of instrument. They of course had their own individual sound and style, but all very easily identified as New York as soon as you heard them start playing. All of these types of regional differences, both here in the US and all over the world, are fast disappearing nowadays, and this is a sad thing in my opinion. |
Sure is, everything in the world is becoming more and more less .
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frogman,
Thanks for the links. Love Sonny.
One of the first jazz discs I purchased was the 1957 2 disc set live at the Village Vanguard which is also a piano - less trio. the bass player were Wilbur Ware or Donald Baily and on drums were either Pete La Roca or Elvin Jones.
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Btw, “What Is This Thing Called Love” and “Woodyn’ You” are from the afternoon set with Donald Bailey and Pete LaRoca. “I Can’t Get Started” is from the evening set with Wilbur Ware and Elvin Jones.
It should be noted that the first of acman3’s great clips of the new Coltrane release is a tribute to Rollins, “Like Sonny”. When all is said and done, probably the two greatest tenor players.
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frogman,
I agree 100% I would put Coltrane just a wee bit ahead of Rollins.
But what about your beloved Michael Brecker? I must admit I have been listening a lot more to my Brecker discs over the past few months since reading your praise of his improvisational skills and I would put him in the top 5 tenor players of all time.
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acman3,
Thanks for the clips of the new Coltrane album. I had already ordered it and it should be here today.
Your posts made me all the more happy I purchased it. : )
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I have off today and I am going to make another pilgrimage to the John Coltrane house in Dix Hills. Will also go to his gravesite which is 10 minutes from the house. Sometimes I sit and look up at the gable over the garage where he locked himself in the room up there for five days and wrote A Love Supreme. I just sit and meditate. I walk around the house at least a half dozen times to see if there is anything I missed the last time I was there..... https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/10/09/arts/09arts1/merlin_144987063_ff989f09-48d2-4242-98b8-260...While my pilgrimage is just a 40 minute drive I wonder how many fans visit the house from all over the world. |
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schubi, we are two predictable ones and we feel good about it! Besides, magnificent melodies have both, predictable and unpredictable parts. |
frogman, This, believe it or not, is one of my favorite Sonny Rollins songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hHXhnKEmpM
Its another piano - less recording with Jimmy Garrison on bass, Elvin Jones on drums, and Freddie Hubbard on the trumpet. Sonny (and Freddie a few times), plays that BA DE BA DA BE BA BE BA throughout and Jimmy Garrison and Elvin Jones are just a wrecking crew!! I play it loud on my system and it just moves me..... |
mary jo,
those Coltrane cuts are beautiful. Spiritual is a favorite of mine. I was at the house today and put another rock on his tombstone. There are many rocks on his tombstone every time I go...... |
I am quite fond of Polarity by the Hoff Ensemble on 2L recordings. it is an incredibly fine recording, and the music is creative, aurally and intellectually enticing. |
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Great account of your pilgrimages to Coltrane’s home, pjw. I was there just once about twenty five years ago and it really was a moving experience. Re Brecker: No doubt one of the very greatest tenor players. My contention, and I’m far from alone, is that he was the greatest saxophone virtuoso that ever lived. He could do things on the instrument that no one has been able to do; and with a level of control and finesse that wasn’t pretty incredible. Not to take anything away from my “beloved Brecker”, but I think it’s fair to say that had there been no Coltrane there would have been no Brecker; at least not as we know him today. Generally regarded as the greatest of the “post-Coltrane” tenor players he built upon what Coltrane did. One of the reasons that Coltrane stands above all others. Coltrane’s MUSIC MAKING was on a level that reached the spiritual. Amazing artist. Mary_jo’s clips are a good example. You may find this interview interesting with Brecker talking about Coltrane: https://youtu.be/rK5OOmNajOI |
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Well , Getz is good but the Bosendorfer is great ! lol
Re: Becker , every one who ever lived stands on the shoulders of others , some a bit taller than others. but still standing .
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https://youtu.be/yR0nNf5NyKk?t=3Couldn’t find Stitt and Evans , did find Sonny with Bud Powell and JJ at their peak . To my ears they play together better and with more soul . But , just old ears of only a listener on much harder stuff . |
frog, I had a problem loading YouTube links for awhile, so I was late listening to your Corea's Children's Songs post. Do you know of anything else similar to #1? It sounded familiar but I can't place it.
It wouldn't be out of place in a French film soundtrack. ;^)
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If you have not seen this concert already, you should.Live and in color, so many famous players. The year is apperently 1972. not 1971 as stated. https://youtu.be/fZNC7sZS6qI |
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pjw
I know from reading about John Coltrane that he was a spiritual man. It is very obvious in his playing which seems to come from a higher power.I have It reversed regarding Coltrane and Rollins. This is not a ranking of their talents but at this point in my life I much prefer Sonny Rollins over Coltrane but greatly admire both.The cuts posted by acman 3 were all good especially the contribution of McCoy Tyner . But it seem like I recognize these songs from previous albums. Was there anything new on this latest Coltrane release?
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schubert
Hiromi- what can I say an amazing talen!! I have mostly heard her in a Funky Jazz context and so was blown away by the cut you posted.
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I listened to Coltrane’s "Blue World" last night in its entirety and it is another great "find" the music is fabulous. |
Did somebody mention Hiromi?
I saw her live twice at the Blue Note in NYC. She is simply an incredibly talented piano player/composer/arranger. She plays with a lot of energy and enthusiasm.
I own every album she has put out.
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Yes , I did , how in the hell she can play like that with her eyes closed God only knows . Incredible is the word all right .
frogman , the "New Yorker" is the best jazz album I ever heard . All 4 hit the right tone , rhythm , and style for each and every song to perfection . Talk about "something to say" , they wrote a book!
Don’t tell me how Stitt makes a tone within a tone , one sunny and one cloudy, I want to write it down as a miracle .
Hope my main man in Berlin can get me it in vinyl .
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