Jazz for aficionados
jafant +1 Tierney Sutton http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ey3Kw6CihEc Have you heard her album of Joni Mitchell covers? http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ikG_JaQ4vXk |
orpheus10 Glad you are back I asked about you several times. Wishing you well over this next period and hoping you get the best care as needed for your health. About Wynton Marsalis- I am not a big fan of his (he would probably not make my top 20 for trumpet players) but I was surprised about your statement that he could not compose? I believe he has a a body of written work which has been recognized by fans all over the world and I am a big fan of the Jazz at Lincoln Center Orchestra which he has headed for many years. |
Gonsalves' Interval: Since this was such an important moment for the Ellington Band, I just wondered if The Duke knew it was coming. Judging by the way the tune was introduced by Ellington, I suspect he did. I was not asking about the "nuts and bolts" of the solo itself. Although I do appreciate your detailed response. Cheers Man, that Frogman is smart! |
pjw, yes, that DVD is for the same Newport Festival concert. I saw the original movie while in college in the ’60s. It introduced me to a few musicians I was not yet familiar with, and some of the visual effects were very fitting with the music -- rather impressionistic. At least twice here I posted a link to Anita O’Day’s performance from that concert, one I consider a highlight of her career. My biggest criticism of the film was it left me wanting to see/hear the full performance from favored musicians. Also I wasn’t sure why Chuck Berry and Mahalia Jackson were included in a jazz festival, although I respected their music otherwise. And frog, thanks for your considered response. I expected no less from you. ;^) |
Frogman, some can, while some can not; some will while some wont; Frogman it's quite evident that you come way short when discussing how one "perceives" music, maybe that's because you're a professional musician, sometimes that's a hindrance on this forum. Many times you go into one of your long diatribes, speaking technically music wise, and nobody knows what you're talking about but you, and any other professional musician that might be participating in the discussion; I know I don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. Let us get back to when your trolley first jumped the tracks, that was about my post on Dave Brubeck that you misunderstood; you thought it was a putdown of Dave, when it was merely an observation of fact; Mr. Brubeck's music does not contain a "drap" of "Blacknuss". Whether or not that's a good or bad thing depends on the listener. As I and others stated, we love Dave's music, although it lacks "Blacknuss"; kind of like coffee with or without creme. Someone declared that without "Blacknuss", it's not true jazz. Now, could you put your trolley back on it's tracks and address this post. |
Let us go into the heart of "Blacknuss". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5q4vWPoKL0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbvxZr5mk2s |
*****When I was in St. Louis University Hospital, a young man from E. St. Louis was moved into the room I was in who had been shot up by an AK-47***** He could have been treated by a Military Doctor. Army and Marine Corps Doctors are often assigned to inner city Hospitals to give them the experiences they will need when they deploy to war zones. Sad but true. Cheers |
Regarding constant and everlasting question here about which music has ’right’ to be considered ’beautiful’ or ’true jazz’, there is a book I would like to recommend.... ’What is beauty? Umberto Eco, among Italy’s and worlds finest and most important contemporary thinkers, explores the nature, the meaning, and the very history of the idea of beauty in Western culture. The profound and subtle text is lavishly illustrated with abundant examples of sublime painting and sculpture and lengthy quotations from writers and philosophers.’ I believe that there is connection between music and other forms of art in a way how we value things,or how we have come to certain ’standards’. Hope you all will find the time to take a look....here is download in pdf form, but there are other ways to do it, on the same page... https://archive.org/details/OnBeauty.AHistoryOfAWesternIdeaByUmbertoEco2004 https://ia800208.us.archive.org/26/items/OnBeauty.AHistoryOfAWesternIdeaByUmbertoEco2004/On%20Beauty... I can understand the annoyance of Frogman, since its his profession, after all, but I dont mind reading such expressions from Op or Rok, its a kind of ’custom’ way to say it the way they say it now here.... For me, as I have said before, its about the sound....too often the ’modern’ jazz, or its players, do not have that particular sound that I like.... But, on other hand, neither the some most prominent players of ’old’ times do not ’have’ it, for me, anyway... So...one album of Louis Armstrong that I like.....posted before... ’Louis and the good book’...from 1958. the only gospel alum he recorded https://youtu.be/bvEmq-cX0G4 |
orpheus10 Think positive, be strong. Remember we are in a battle our whole life, from the fight to take our first breath forward . My prayers go out to you. I will search out some Wynton music and post it when I have time. Summertime leaves less time at my computer as I enjoy the warmer weather. BTW - I always understand frogman when he speaks technically about music and I am not a professional musician, just an amateur. |
...further more...I've read that none studio recording of Johnny Griffin can represent how good actually he played as he was suffering from claustrophobia, so any studio session was discomfort was him...so,never he desplayed as same as live... Its been said for Oscar Wilde that none of his plays was so brilliant as man himself, seen and heard in relaxed company. Jazz, played and listened,when was on its peak, was in different historical and social times. Now, we can all agree, is not so relevant, present or popular among population. The audience is now more 'passiv' element than before. (correct me if I am wrong) My questions are... Does the lack of interaction with 'public' and life itself on more intimate and every day level makes the todays jazz different than one from before? Is it possible for an art form to grow without such relation and does that makes jazz 'dead' except as an form of expression of people who are practicing it ? Could that be said for other music art forms as well? Rock is also dead, isn it? Is there any chance that we shall hear some 'new' Beethoven or Miles? How about movies? Has anybody seen any new good western? One in every ten years....if That does not mean that there are not any good films any more.....that does not even mean that lots of movies are not basically westerns....because they share the same story concept....the good guy, the bad one and the duel at the end... But, their form of expression is very different Is it possible to apply the same analogy to jazz, because except for the same instrumets and similar conception in performance, we are looking/hearing at two very different types of music, but we are calling them by the same name? |
Now, having said that, I must also say that I am disappointed that you still feel the need to make unnecessary judgments and characterizations about what music may mean to someone other than yourself. Very presumptuous of you and quite off the mark. “....just a statement of fact”? Hardly. To be blunt, O-10, don’t think you know what you’re talking about. I hope I don’t have to explain why someone might find such unnecessarily personalized characterizations to be offensive. As always, hoping for healthier dialogue. I would appreciate it if everyone came back to this, and explain what Frogman is saying, because I don't have a clue; there are so many alternate explanations, but he said it in reference to the following paragraph. I have come to the conclusion that you and I (meaning me and Rok) agree more than we disagree on the definition of jazz, because your definition is more emotional, as opposed to Frogman's definition which is more intellectual. Jazz with an intellectual bent can be ever so good, but it lacks "Blacknuss". |
For all you Coltrane fans, this should increase your interest in the "lost" recording - https://www.stereophile.com/content/john-coltranes-both-directions-once-lost-album-debuts-englewood-... |
*****The person who can describe the technical elements or technical flaws is thought to be incapable of feeling the emotion (perceiving”?); ever. What a bunch of nonsense and copout. ***** This music was first played in the whore houses of New Orleans. So, to which "Technical elements" or "Technical flaws" are you referring? The ones they taught you at music school in NYC? I do believe there was a lot more emotional feeling, than Technical stuff, going on at Red Ruby's House of Pleasure. Jazz is what it is. Everyone wants to change it to fit their ideal or aesthetics. Take it or leave it, as it was meant to be !!! Cheers |
Wonderful soundtrack. One commenter says it's Oscar Peterson, another says it's Nate King Cole. Who is it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taVgb1ejumc Cheers |
For anyone concerned about the absence of new young talent in jazz just check out this Japanese teenager - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrHJoY6RzR0 |
Cute, but noise. Here's some good stuff if you are looking for Jazz
Cheers |
When searching for the current top jazz, this is the best I could do; you be the judge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocOCEKMzoI8 The music is good, but I'm not just ready to reach in my pocket; while Senri Kawaguchi had me reaching, just not 80 bucks worth. |
You can probably find this for less than 10 dollars.
I guess Kawaguchii is about 8 times better. Cheers |
I said "new" Rok, we are all patriotic, but that doesn't change anything. For ages us jazz musicians had to go to Japan to make a living, the last time I saw Ahmad Jamal in Chicago, Gant the drummer, told me they had tickets to Japan. Ahmad makes his home in Marseille France, that gives you a clue of the changes that have taken place since Les made Swiss Movement, one of the best jams ever. |
Kawaguchi Triangle pops and sparkles but that doesn't mean I'm going to load up with it. Sometimes I have to have greens and cornbread, or maybe black eyed peas and okra; "Soul Food" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SHdqD077yY |
acman, thanks for those postings. Many new/young musicians I'm not familiar with. In addition, one of those links led me to finding this, a brief "school" in jazz piano by the great Oscar Peterson - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec-FrnaU0rs |
Ahmad Jamal's album "Marseille" is a winner, it grows on you, the more you listen to it, the more you like, Marseille is a name that reminds me of "Bouillabaisse"; that's a dish I had for the first time in Atlanta and could never get enough of it (everyday for lunch); too complicated for me to make, and too complicated for the other places I've been that had it on the menu. it also reminds me of "Our Man Flint" the movie. It seems the bad guy favored this dish so much that he had to go to Marseille because it was the only place that prepared it to his specifications. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epCQ7hOhdKM Bouillabaisse was originally a stew made by Marseille fishermen using the bony rockfish which they were unable to sell to restaurants or markets. There are at least three kinds of fish in a traditional bouillabaisse: typically red rascasse; sea robin ; and European conger. It can also include gilt-head bream ; turbot; monkfish, mullet; or European hake . It usually also includes shellfish and other seafood such as sea urchins , mussels ; velvet crabs ; spider crab or octopus. More expensive versions may add langoustine, though this was not part of the traditional dish made by Marseille fishermen. Vegetables such as leeks, onions, tomatoes, celery, and potatoes are simmered together with the broth and served with the fish. The broth is traditionally served with a rouille, a mayonnaise made of olive oil, garlic, saffron, and cayenne pepper on grilled slices of bread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmSJYD88wVw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-kAvMJo08k |
Pryso, it's absolutely astounding how one jazz pianist can mimic another; Miles had a beef with Monk on a session and Monk walked. Fortunately for Miles, Horace Silver was handy. Miles asked Silver to do that "Monk thing" when comping, and till this day, I think it's Monk playing when I hear that cut on the record. Frogman said he could tell that it wasn't Monk, I don't believe him. |
pryso thanks for the link. Not only is she a good drummer but I also like the music (fusion). I don't consider good jazz/rock/prog music "noise."(most of it anyway and certainly not that song). I saw the Return To Forever reunion tour in 2007 NYC. Have all their discs. Have all Mahavishnu orchestra discs too. Saw Stanley Clarke and Billy Cobham (separately) multiple times. Waiting for John McLaughlin, to come back NYC way. Have tickets to Mike Stern with Jimmy Cobb on the drum kit this August 17 at Birdland doing a Miles Davis tribute. @orpheus10 I have at least 20 Grant Green discs. I love his tone and style. |
@orpheus10 Yes the prices on all of Senri Kawaguchi's discs are all on the high side including the live bluray. https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_10?url=search-alias%3Dpopular&field-keywords=senri+kaw... Hiromi, a Japanese pianist/organist/composer, whom I have seen several times is excellent and her music is much cheaper I have about 8 discs of hers. Check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXsuPkyFQuQ |
Current Jazz that has been rated over 4 out opf 5; how do you rate it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Fl6P5T74E |
I have that box set. I love it, as most things William Parker is in, but with anything requiring so much concentration from the listener, you have to be in the mood. It will not hurt my feelings if others don't like it, but if you put in the work to listen, you will be well rewarded. Just some people don't want to "work" to listen. Understood! |
