Jazz for aficionados
Although health issues have prevented me from responding to each individual post, I consider everyone's post important and special, and I will try to catch up. I've said this before, and I'll say it again; during my life as an aficionado, there has been no way so much information was available, and it's possible for a current devotee to discover almost as much I have learned in a lifetime, through research on "you tube". "You Tube" gives me the ability to convey to you my lifetimes selections as to what I consider the very best jazz cuts; this is music that takes me to places where jazz artists go while performing. When you see the guy blowing the horn, or jamming the organ close his eyes, with that look on his face that he's no longer with us; that's what I'm talking about. Before now, I spent my time in search of new and different jazz, but no longer; while at the same time I appreciate those who are in search for something new and different. Since I've had close relationships with some of the musicians we have posted, I know how special they are, and all of them I knew are gone, and the ability to create jazz to the extent they created may be gone with them. Now, that thanks to "You Tube", I can access their life works, that's what I intend to do. |
Rok, believe it or not, in Jamaica, Reggae is for the tourists, or somebody trying to make some music in Kingston so they can split. On the radio, I heard the same hip jazz, you would hear in any big city here. "That so-called 'Jamaican Beat' gets old fast. You could be jamming to a tune, and the DJ could change records and you would never realize it." |
Orpheus, you can always send me the mail, but, you should not be so bittter about the things you can not change... https://youtu.be/tGTM2s9hfBU |
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frogman You nailed it Thompson had a "sweet and relaxed" softer sound on soprano which I like. Obviously he did not get much credit for being first on soprano. But Coltrane doing "My Favorite Things" , a very popular song from "The Sound of Music" garnered him more attention &exposure for playing soprano. Yes I agree Thompson does sound like Hawkins, especially on ballads. Which is not a bad thing as I really dig Hawkins and have been rediscovering his music in the last year or so. I do feel Thompson has more of a modern bebop style. I plan to get a couple of Thompson cd's to add to my collection. |
nsp, thanks for checking those. Guess I need to resort to the only reasonable answer, break the seals and play the records so I can check myself. ;^) frog, a little trivia on Dinah Washington. She was married to Dick "Night Train" Lane, a defensive back for the Detroit Lions. They were "my" team as a kid in the '50s. I'd certainly heard of Lucky Thompson but don't have any albums with him as a leader. This site certainly does open new things o10. Also o10, so long as you stay with your own introduction to this wonderful site I don't see anything being deleted. In general, no Buds for me. I only drink craft beers. Now perhaps a new game. Post a cover to a well known number that you consider worthwhile. Not a cover of simply a pop or rock song, like "I Only Have Eyes . . .", but an established jazz song. For the most part I avoid covers, unless they bring a fun new perspective. I think George Russell does that here with one of Miles' best known. (Although I admit I don't enjoy this one as much as on the album I have, which is not on YouTube) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jrh2CPvwI8 |
Maybe I’m just new and don’t no anything but I don’t feel like you all give enough love to musician like Oscar Peterson, Ray Brown and Milt “Bags” Jackson. They were able to make decades of great music, not only on there own but together in many cases. I the album A Very Tall Band was a great display of how they continued to keep music fresh and remain at the top of there game. They also did some classics with Clark Terry and Joe Pass Cheers |
We have been at this for over 5 years. Those guys have been posted and discussed many times. Including ’Very Tall Band". This is the last one I posted. The video has been taken down, but this audio only version is still on you-tube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abUBJlLHBOI Cheers |
@rok2id I figured that’s why I preferences by saying I’m new and don’t know anything... Lol! I’m big Oscar Peterson, Bags and Ray Brown fan. Sad day for me when Mr. Ray Brown passed away last year. I went to concert shortly after to see his protege Christian McBride pay homage to Ray Brown by playing 2hrs of all his classics. It was a phenomenal show and emotional night for the band. Cheers |
It looks like posts here are often 'missing in action' and not just if are regarded as ones with political stand, but also if they are beer invitations? Acman, anyway, thanks for that, how about a shot as well? https://youtu.be/f4SYEfdm90g Orpheus, I dont mind you writing about the stuff that are laying on your chest, I guess everyone could write something of a sort. Can we do something to change things for better, as individuals, I am not sure... 'Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way'.... |
I do mind and I will try once again to explain why. First, the thread is intended to be about music and I think that this is why most visit and participate. Politics and social consciousness topics sometimes relate to the subject of music and I think it is usually fairly obvious when it makes sense and is appropriate to delve into those areas as they relate to the subject of music. The problem is that not everyone shares the same political point of view and these topics can be very provocative since they sometimes touch upon issues that are very personal. It is highly unlikely that these complicated topics can be discussed in a productive and meaningful way on a forum such as this and that the limitations of a forum like this and limitations of our own writing skills can do justice to these important and complicated topics. So, it becomes little more than an exercise in self-indulgence, assumptions, and proclamations or insinuations about the moral superiority or higher level of compassion of one individual over another; as if it were possible, given how little we really know about each other, to make truly meaningful comments. The irony for me personally is that to not be able to recognize the futility of all this points to an absence of depth of thought on the very topics on which anyone of us may be trying to claim the higher ground. The end result of all this is, as I have pointed out before, that there probably has not been a single instance when going down that road has not resulted in arguing, contentiousness and deleted posts. Personally, I wold much rather spend my energy discussing the music. |
The question is moot, therefore the answer is moot as well; however, moving right along, here is a little "Roots Reggae" for Rok; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Znh0OM9jiA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzS-Jis7kfA |
FWIW - I mind too. I don’t inflct my neo nazi (just kidding) political views on anyone else. Prefer not to be subjected to their views whatever side of the aisle they are from. Only 2nd generation born in the USA. Poor Italian immigrants for whom the country has been a real blessing; our family has prospered here. Don’t see things quite the same as some with longer family residency and special insider knowledge. Come here to share enjoyment of and learn about a certain kind of music, not for aggravation. (Here endeth the lesson.) |
pryso, re your game. Cover of another tune from KOB. As in your G Russell clip (which I really like; very funky) in which the horn section plays Miles’ solo from the original “So What”, on this one each of the solos on the original “Freddie Freeloader” are scatted by a different singer. Bill Evans’ solo by Bobby McFerrin, Miles/Al Jarreau, Trane/Jon Hendricks and Cannonball/George Benson: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=blOHUcM The original: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RPfFhfSuUZ4 Another cover that I like. Manhattan Transfer’s cover of the classic and Coleman Hawkins’ milestone (pun intended) recording of “Body And Soul”: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofbnfmlhw4o The original: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zUFg6HvljDE nsp, thanks for your comments re Thompson/Hawkins. I chose “Body And Soul” in part as part of my response to those comments. First, I think we should consider which Coleman Hawkins we are talking about. Like most great players his style (and Thompson’s) evolved quite a bit over the years. His solo on “Body And Soul” is considered a classic and a very important solo because it points to the move in the evolution of jazz toward bebop and away from swing which is where Hawkins’ style was rooted. His handling of the fairly complex harmonic changes of that tune was revolutionary at the time. That solo was recorded in 1939 and his career had started in the early 20’s. He was firmly rooted in the swing tradition. While much has been made of his stylistic move toward bebop after losing popularity due to his dated style (swing), to my ears he never became a great bebopper and always retained the sound and rhythmic feel of the swing players. Lucky Thompson was a younger player who came up during the era that bebop was already firmly grounded as a popular style. Your point is well taken in that Thompson never really followed the Charlie Parker bebop mold and instead developed a modern style that was his own. Whenever I hear Hawkins (even his later stuff when he recorded with known beboppers) I always hear a player rooted in the swing style; whereas, when I hear Thompson I hear a player rooted in a more modern era eventhough there are fewer obvious “bebopisms” in his playing. I think Thompson was one of the most underappreciated players in jazz. You are correct in your comment about how Trane did more to popularize the soprano. That is kind of my point about Thompson not being appreciated enough. To me Lucky sounds much more modern than Hawk: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kTMmWaZf2Sc https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LORFZYMD6r8 |
Alex, I removed my own post as I decided it did not belong in this Jazz forum. I can go on hundreds of sites if I want to argue about politics. Seems people are more interested in arguing about symptoms instead of the causes. I come here to get away from that mess. Life is full of drama without creating more. I may run for President on that position, but I have made some mistakes and therefore I am not eligible. :) An earlier soprano. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7MT3OvivVM |
The OP should be able to say what is, and what is not, appropriate for this thread. Most OPs don't stay with their threads the way our OP has. I just assumed that this was surely a First Amendment crowd. If JAZZ is not about free expression, what is it about? Talking about 'social conditions', and talking about Jazz, is almost the same thing. That's what Wynton said. Besides, it bothers me that the OP is walking around with all that nonsense in his head. I feel obligated to show him the light. That Jazz came from the most oppressed group of people in this country was no accident. Jazz is freedom of speech. Cheers |
**** The OP should be able to say what is, and what is not, appropriate for this thread. **** He did....in his OP....jazz. Now, while I would disagree with the idea that a thread started on a public forum with a stated purpose has a sort of built-in rule that the OP determines the path of the thread no matter what and concerns of others be dammned, even when that path has title to do with the stated purpose, that certainly is one way to approach participation in a thread; so be it. However, is it inappropriate for participants to disagree with that approach and to say so? I don’t think so. As you say...freedom of speech. No? **** I feel obligated to show him the light. **** Exactly my point. |
***** Now, while I would disagree with the idea that a thread started on a public forum with a stated purpose has a sort of built-in rule that the OP determines the path of the thread no matter what and concerns of others be dammned, even when that path has title to do with the stated purpose, that certainly is one way to approach participation in a thread.***** Vintage, The Frogman, The Strawman. You said that, not the OP, and certainly not me. The path of the thread has not changed one bit. ***** However, is it inappropriate for participants to disagree with that approach and to say so? I don’t think so. As you say...freedom of speech. No?***** Freedom of speech means just that, so I fail to see a problem here. The OP and anyone else can post as they see fit, and you and others can like it, or not, as you see fit. And if the OP does not like what YOU post, he can let you know. Cheers |
Exactly, no one is stopping anyone from anything and you state the obvious. As far as the “strawman” allusion goes, I fail to see your point. Your fallback “straw man” thing is getting a little tired, btw. **** The OP should be able to say what is, and what is not, appropriate for this thread **** Who said he can’t? Want to talk “strawman”? If all the bs that ensues when the thread gets derailed by the controversial comments does not constitute “altering the path of the thread” then I don’t know what does. Perhaps you enjoy the controversy and the ensuing negativity. I don’t. |
frog, you and acman3 picked up on the new (jazz) game quite nicely. Here's another from that Manhattan Transfer album - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-tdNW1rc0U |
You know. I have always liked that even better than the original. Another favorite co we: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LRbtvRQUi8w |
*****Your fallback “straw man” thing is getting a little tired***** Well then, you can imagine how tired we are of you doing it. *****Perhaps you enjoy the controversy and the ensuing negativity. I don’t. ***** Most often, when the OP goes off on one of his kool-aid induced rants, I am the only one that responds. I can assure you, I have no negative feelings towards anyone. Now, if folks get negative feelings just from reading what the OP says, then that's a whole different conversation. Then the OP is not the problem. Cheers |
Gee, thanks, O-10, that certainly was OP-like of you. See, and there we have it. An opportunity, as the “OP”, to rise above the fray; but, no, a choice is made instead to add to the nonsense and unnecessarily escalate the negativity with a sophomoric reaction. Nice! $400/hr, btw. Rok, you are missing the point. Besides, it’s all been settled 😊 : **** Alex, you and Frogman are 100% correct, posts of that nature on this thread are a waste of time.**** - O-10. |
You guys crack me up. The transparency is really kind of funny. I appreciate the fact that you guys think so much of my influence over the goings on here, but sorry to disappoint you, I have none (of that kind, anyway). O, you do a fine job of drawing yourself in; and, no, Rok I have never called the censors on you. Now, do either of you guys have anything interesting to say about music? Pryso’s game? Give it a whirl. Ozzy!!! **** On this forum, the person that answers or responds to an attacking post gets censured. Never the attacker. **** Hmm, interesting comment. Let’s see.... whose posts is it that have been censored lately? |
frog, I liked that "Spain". Now, hope this is not cheating at my own game, but this album is somewhat a favorite and includes only other artist's renditions of 16 of Monk’s songs, some by jazz musicians, others by rockers. I don’t know much about Joe Jackson but this one surprised me (and this Monk number is likely redone by more artists than any of his other tunes). Several other fun versions here too if this interests anyone else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STY9CcTM0zc |
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