Jazz for aficionados

Stop the nonsense please. Damn I come to this forum because I love jazz music and during the past few months you all have enlightened and inspired me to go deeper into this art form. But damn are we not grown men and women or are we just complaining bickering children with none thing better to do. Orpheus10 this was my concern when I first ask you to chill with the social and political agendas. This is not the place or forum for those discussions. I’m certain you can find that else where on the internet. It would be sad but justified for Audiogon to censor and block us all that continue to show these acts of expression. I’m a jazzman and I’m guessing you all are too. Coltrane, Miles, Bird, Ella and Diz remember! I personally get enough of that other crap from my local news and CNN. I don’t need it here.

Cheers 

Pryso here is an album of Joe Jackson that you may like. Its called 'Jumpin Jive' and it is made of famous covers...jazz,swing and jump blues music...from 1981.
https://youtu.be/HjioNleJ3cI
https://youtu.be/q_scNPUGcDs
https://youtu.be/g-l1eiu47_A

by the way, Jackson says, for himself, that he is classically trained musician who always played pop music and quite a few jazz gigs...soon he realized that never he would become jazz musician, but he managed to fake it pretty well...

Rahsaan Roland Kirk ,No body played like him .He could blow music out his nose .The Man was unbeliveable .I have him on two Atlantic jazz cd collections  vol.1 and 2 .Great collection of live Atlantic Jazz artists.I used to play them all the time but i moved and my collection is all boxed  up.After reading these lists its time to go digging for my Cds.and hook up my TT and play my jazz albums.

@limomangus - agreesd Rahsaan is a legend that doesn’t get his just do for his contributions to jazz. I love his work.

cheers 

pryso, I enjoyed that “Round Midnight”. “Film Noir” vibe. Thanks. Here’s an unusual cover of a jazz classic. This band sizzles!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pQJGeKWNDis

Couldn’t agree more re Rahsaan.  My favorite Rahsaan recording. Different, but pure genius!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n8k3baNeGZo

Which reminds me of another fun cover of this classic:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fqHEWPgBRmE

Alex, I enjoyed the Joe Jackson clips; fun stuff.  Never paid much attention to him previously, but will have to check out more of his stuff.  I like his attitude.   Btw, have you heard from mary_jo?  

Thanks for the contributions to the "covers" game.  I enjoyed them all.  Also alex for the additional references to Jackson.

Mention of Rahsaan reminds me of Yusef Lateef, another multi-instrumentalist, but only one at a time.  ;^)  Back in the '60s I caught him with Cannonball at a small club in Detroit, the Minor Key.  A friend with me was on the way to the men's room at intermission and encountered Yusef in the hallway.  My buddy had to back out as it was too narrow for them to pass.  Yusef was a pretty big guy.  This would have been close to that time -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcVIbNs-Y4A

Also agree with frog's implication, hope mary_jo wasn't run off.

pryso
Your blue note lp's I say go for it !  Break them open,clean them, 
Spin t hem and enjoy them. Let me know how tgey sound if you do. A la te entrybbto your game:
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Goodbye Porkpie Hat w/ Larry & Murali Coryell at Iridium

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fGFV2id6QqA

acman3
Like K Allyson's bluesy "Moanin"  and the "Misterioso" cut. Dug J Griffin's tenor solo and K Kirkland's Monkesque piano solo.

nsp, I'll see your "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" and raise you one.  (Easily done since yours wouldn't play)  I'd say this has more bluesy feel than jazz but I've enjoyed it for years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImxM4Rj5pOQ

Why so many deletes today?  I missed whatever was removed.

Also it will be a few days before I can hear those Blue Notes.  I'm feeling nervous about the condition of my stylus and need to change cartridges.  I'm fighting a cold this week so want to wait until I'm clear eyed and have a steady hand to do that.

Here’s one from the Incredible Jimmy Smith
https://youtu.be/FLfAs-56k9k

I love the version of this on the Mojo Working album. Enjoy!

Cheers 

frogman
Wow those two versions of "Cherokee" side by side really show the difference between Hawkins and Thompson. Hawkins falls back on his swing rhythms for the most part although he tries to break out of it several times. It*s not a knock on him as he came up in the swing style and probably felt most comfortable playing that way( as did many players of the swing era).  He may have adopted some bebop harmonics in his later career but as we know the rhythm changes bought to the music by the beboppers was very important in revolutionizing jazz. Cherokee is pretty much known as a song bebop players would take at a very fast pace which showed  those who could play the new bebop style.
Thompsons solo is smokin. Right after the melody and through his entire solo. This guy could play.  I state for the record that Lucky Thompson was a musician with a unique style and a sound all his own. And  I think that those two things are the best compliment any jazzman could be given. I too feel he is underappreciated but you*ve kept his name alive.  i need to get several of his cds I*m thinking of the New York City 1964-1965 sessions and the Paris 1956-1959 complete sessions. Any suggestions?

pryso

Those deletes were just me with failed attempts at posting/copying videos. I think I need a tutorial.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fGFV2id6QqA Try to post one last time

pryso
Jeff Beck !! It*s been so long I forgot about this version. I was a HUGE Jeff Beck fan back in the day . He did not do much jazz as he is not a strict jazz player. I read an interview where he stated he really like Charles Mingus. I loved his playing because he plays with so much emotion and NOBODY gets the sound out of a guitar like him. Great choice.

Hi guys,

Billy the Kid aka Alex, told me that you had asked for me. Frogman and pryso, that was very kind of you.

I haven’t ran away but had some private issues that kept me occupied quite well so I needed to focus on that. However, I didn’t forget you, you surely had hiccups (yes, that was from me), ’cause I was lurking you whenever I catched some free time. Great songs you all post + you give these songs your personal touch just by the way you posting them here. Quite enjoyable to read and listen, I’ll say.

Yesterday, my friend told me that she had a dream about me having a small and cozy hotel in the center of New York. So, since she dreamed about this, this must have been the truth - tonight we are having special guests in our hotel club and of course, you are all invited. : ) Dress Code, back to 50’s...so give us your best and do not forget to shine your shoes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sYdUGoIqUM

Sinatra and Louis Armstrong Birth of the Blues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd_JDrnBMMA

Louie and the Moon River

"Two drifters, off to see the world
There’s such a lot of world to see
We’re after the same rainbow’s end, waitin’ ’round the bend
My huckleberry friend, moon river, and me ..."

mary_jo, if you didn't go back reading posts prior to the time you joined us then you missed by background with Satchmo.

He was my dad's favorite musician so I heard lots of him while growing up.  By my teenage years I was into R&R and failed to appreciate all that Armstrong meant.  Even as I evolved into a jazz fan I considered his music to be too "old fashioned" to be worthwhile.  It took me a few decades but eventually I realized what a huge talent he was and what he meant to the foundations of modern jazz.

Let me offer one I consider to be a classic.  I have it in a 78 album dad played.  Teagarden was tops too -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQm-2N-TW24

Yes, good to see you back mary_ jo.

And, yes, a few hiccups. I think they have stopped; for now. “Hipo”, “hiccup” in Spanish. Interesting how both words can be onomatopoeia in two different languages while still sounding similar and with similar rhythm. Great Louie/Sinatra clip; no hiccups there. Same language from both singers, but two different rhythm feels. Fascinating how at 1:13 when Louie starts to sing the tempo of the music seems to slow down. It doesn’t really, but Louis’ singing is so relaxed and “in the pocket” compared to Sinatra who sings slightly ahead of the beat of the band that things seem to slow down. On the dance floor and according to the Urban Dictionary that would be a classic case of “WMRD”; and Sinatra had it less than most 😊. Thanks for the great clips.

pryso, you have no idea what memories that Jeff Beck clip brings back; some better to keep private. He was still using a pick back then. What an amazing and expressive player he is.

bluesy41, great stuff. Like Jeff Beck, another amazing player who did things on his intrument that shouldn’t be possible. How is it possible to slide from one note to another on a B3? It isn’t, but Jimmy Smith somehow can create that illusion. And what a great feel-good sense of swing. Love it.

jkittlesen, one of my very favorite records. How sad for a player like this to be gone at age 25! Another favorite from that great record:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oQvsXgfEdo0

Bowie, “Papa’s.....”:

First Bowie clip posted here recently that didn’t do it for me.  Somehow, being used to the “seriousness” of the kind of groove that James Brown and his band could set up doesn’t mesh with the humor that Bowie tries to bring to the tune.  We don’t need no stinking humor!!! :

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QE5D2hJhacU

Nah, plenty there! And, there I was, thinking that you would flattered that I quoted you. I thought it was pretty funny 😊 . Now, re the Bowie clip, and speaking of quoting. I recently quoted someone who said, on the subject of musical quotes in a solo, “I don’t want to hear Woody Woodpecker when I’m trying to channel Trane”.

Hey, btw, and speaking of Trane, I’ve been meaning to post this. This solo by Trane has got to be on my list of top ten solos ever. Pryso’s “So What’ clip has led to my listening (again) to KOB a few times lately. When thinking about Trane there is a tendency to think of him as a ferocious and often “notey” soloist; he had a whole lot to say. His solo (@2:27) on “Blue In Green” from KOB kills me every time I hear it. Beautifully expressive with an amazing simplicity. When he enters it’s like the sun rising in the morning. Incredible.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PoPL7BExSQU

OK frog, confession time.  They say it's good for the soul.

Regarding Coltrane, I love some of his stuff, particularly earlier recordings.  But whenever he went into that "sheets of sound" I didn't follow.  As the Emperor was alleged to say to Mozart, too many notes!

Does that disqualify me from being a jazz aficionado?  ;^)

But, how did you like “Blue In Green”?

Disqualified? Anyone who likes George Russel and Teagarden is alright in my book. If only I knew just what an aficionado is. I don’t like silk robes and I don’t smoke a pipe.  I do like bunnies, ‘though 😊.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=46hd6DZS0ww

Miles Davis/John Coltrane - The Last Tour (2018) is enroute to me.

Correction: The Final Tour.

frog, "Blue In Green"? I’ve been listening to that whole album since around 1960 and I’ve never tired one bit. Said another way, I love it.

I’m also a fan of TOP. Saw them live many years ago (their recent tour to San Diego was cancelled after a couple of members had an accident) and have a couple of their albums.

I’ll add on to that point with a disclosure about my collection. There are many artists I enjoy, but not enough to have more than one example of their music. That can satisfy any itch I have to hear them. A second group of artists produced enough variety so that I got maybe 2 to 4 of their albums. For me, variety is the key word -- enough difference in other releases to make more than one worthwhile for me. Then there are my favorites, with these I may have from 10 to more than 20 albums, simply because I enjoy their basic style (or evolution in style such as with Miles) so much that I can "dig" (!) into each one, even when the presentation may be similar to others.

Of course it’s possible some artists I like only released one or two albums so they don’t fit my general standards. Also, as I’ve learned and enjoyed from this site, there have been many artists/releases I was not previously exposed to, otherwise I might have added them years ago. Lucky Thompson is a perfect example.

I will be getting this on vinyl. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Kd1w8BkZs

pryso, your record prioritization “system” makes sense.

**** variety is the key word -- enough difference in other releases to make more than one worthwhile for me. ****

And sometimes the variety goes to places we don’t like. Curious, do you consider this record to be an “earlier recording” and pre-“sheets of sound”. I find that Trane fans draw the line at different points of his evolution.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL4ypuAMic-Gjk5uhLk2jxg

acman3, nice record. The most that I have ever enjoyed Cecil Payne’s playing. Thanks! I am hoping when you have the liner notes you can solve this little mystery. At first I thought there was an uncredited alto player on the session eventhough Cecil Payne is listed on alto which is rare unto itself. On the second tune one can here an alto along with trumpet and baritone playing the melody. Then later, at 20:14 the alto starts to play a one chorus solo before the baritone finishes his solo (several choruses). They overdubbed the alto unless there was a mystery alto player.

mary_jo, that’s quite a challenge! I would take you up on it, but here there is only one person with a reputation for dancing skill and that would be our OP. O-10 has been known to bust a few moves while hanging with Saharan tribes. Even so, I would much prefer to not dance seperately. I don’t have big feet; much to my wife’s chagrin 🤔.

Oops, sorry for the bad link:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MIq4f4IASds

frog, that was OK.  I could enjoy listening to it but wouldn't feel moved to buy the album so I could hear it on my system anytime I chose.

Also I realize perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned the "sheets of sound".  I remembered hearing that term referencing some of 'Trane's playing a long time ago and associate it with his performances with what sounds to me like simply flurries of notes.  Those are far from favorites.  But reading on Wikipedia I see that phrase was first applied in 1958.  Many of my recordings (which I do enjoy) of/with him were produced after that.  So it was a false benchmark.

My taste favors his blues and ballad work, such as "Ole'", "My Favorite Things", "Plays The Blues", "+ Johnny Hartman", "Ballads", "Monk & Coltrane at Carnegie Hall", etc.

:) ok, i’ll take your word for it.

So O-10 is a dancer? Few moves are barely enough (:)) but now, when you have mentioned this, his writing style on this forum ’reminds me’ of him as if wearing a suit for dancing, showing the elegancy while moving smoothly along the dance floor. He has something special.

p.s. sorry, can’t picture him in a tribe...:)

Coltrane - plus of course everything he did with Miles and other with Monk. 

@pryso I’m listening to Oleo now in MQA. Such a great album!

Cheers

Why some feel that Sarah Vaughn was the best:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rb6dcdlEMs

Thanks for your comments on Trane and SOS (😉), pryso.  As I mentioned I have been revisiting KOB lately; not that very much time ever goes by without listening to it.  What a great record and deserving of all the notoriety!  Too bad that George Russell does not always get credit for inspiring this music.  There is a certain mood throughout the record that to me is a little mysterious and melancholic even in the uptempo tunes.  Nothing is perfect, but this record is nearly perfect.  Of course, and as always, our own individual tastes and points of reference dictate our reactions to artists.  There is one aspect of KOB that has always been like a little voice in my head saying “if only Miles had chosen X player instead”.  This is a very subjective observation and reaction and surely there will be disagreement.  

There is one player in that record’s amazing lineup that, as great as his playing is, plays in a style and with a mood that somehow doesn’t always quite fit into that feeling of mystery and melancholy that permeates the record.  To be clear, if forced to choose, I would probably pick this same player as my all-time overall favorite on his particular instrument.  Yet, on this record when he plays his musical persona seems to cause a change in mood (hint...somewhat less so on the uptempo tunes) that I’m mixed about.  Some listeners would consider this a good thing and another example of Miles’ genius when choosing a lineup.  Sometimes I appreciate the change in mood and sometimes I don’t. Wondering if anyone has a similar reaction.  No right or wrong.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qNcPwrfK9tY

Yes!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ddcWxY-K9vk