It's ironic you should mention a female doctor; when I was in the hospital, a female doctor was one of my doctors; she refused to sign off on some questionable lab results. Now my medical records are held up until further investigation.
Jazz for aficionados
Jazz for aficionados
I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
Enjoy the music.
I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
Enjoy the music.
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Here's an LP that I had not played in a long time; it's a lot more interesting than I remember, maybe I didn't listen hard enough the first time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSRL4z6ADQQ Charles Lloyd - tenor saxophone, flute, alto flute Gábor Szabó (tracks 1, 3 & 4), Tom Trujillo (tracks 2, 5 & 6) guitar Roger McGuinn - 12 string guitar (tracks 1 & 5) Wolfgang Melz - bass (tracks 1-5) Roberto Miranda - bass (tracks 2 & 5) Woodrow Theus II - drums, percussion (tracks 1-5) Mayuto Correa - percussion (tracks 1, 3 & 4) Mike Love - vocals (tracks 1 & 6) Al Jardine, Billy Hinsche, Carl Wilson, Pamela Polland - vocals (track 1) Gabor Szabo adds some interesting twists to any record he's on. This record had a sound that was unique to the 70's. |
o10, if this helps you find it, my CD of Satch and Duke is a double album, as was done with many CD reissues. It includes "The Great Summit" and "The Master Takes", both recorded over two day's sessions. Mine is a Roulette Jazz label and remastered in 24-bit/96 kHz. I hadn't played it in years and forgot how good it is. |
I couldn’t agree with inna more . I firmly believe ,as someone who has seen a LOT of docs, that as a GENERAL proposition women are better docs for the reasons stated . It’s a simple fact that in general women are better listeners than men and the clue to a good diagnose often comes out of the patient’s mouth . |
Schubert, it's amazing what you and Inna have come up with in relation to men listening; after me telling the man what's wrong, he responds like I haven't said a word. Because they are, we'll say "specialists", they think they know everything about their speciality, when they only know what they have been taught. Come up with something different that they don't know about, and they insist on putting it in a known box as opposed to investigating. I wrote the lady a letter, and until I hear from her I'm not seeing any more doctors; nothing is better than wrong medicine and diagnosis. |
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jafant, I’m not suggesting you should buy it from Amazon, but here is a link to the disc I have, it should give whatever you need to find a copy - https://www.amazon.com/Great-Summit-Master-Takes/dp/B00005614N/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qi... |
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I've never heard McLaughlin play a pop tune at a restaurant. It takes place in Monaco, I understand, that's where he lives. Quite a life-affirming song. I thought that the singer was good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ1SaCHoakk |
Pryso, here's some more "Old School" for you; 'Coleman Hawkins and Friends', including Ella Fitzgerald. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73wpo2Mn_7Y&list=PL170BB52D98FBAD8B That's Sonny Rollins picture you see there. That might not be the album I'm looking for, but it's for sure I'm looking for "The Hawk", let's just enjoy his music; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut2r5bv21YE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta_UByyi4Z0 |
This is the first time I've heard this; it's a soundtrack for a movie that Monk did, (the soundtrack) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnw8DbcDns |
o10, that soundtrack is a bit confusing. The link you provided doesn't include Monk or any of his songs. In the bio, "Thelonious Monk, The Life and Times of an American Original" there is discussion about Monk avoiding signing the contract for the score until the very last minute. When he finally signed and went to the studio to record the music he only did a few of his existing compositions rather than write anything new. The exception was his solo performance of the old hymn, "We'll Understand it Better, By and By". Most of the music furnished to Vadim for the film was done in those same sessions by Blakey and the Jazz Messengers. I've never seen the film but the title and credits in your link leave me wondering. |
Pryso, there's a lot that's confusing on 'you tube'; for example, "Stereophile" shows "Coleman Hawkins" and Friends' as one of his best albums, but 'you tube' shows several albums that could fit that description; maybe it's all of them? For sure this is some good music that I don't have enough of in my collection; Buddy Rich is a real showman, that's with Bird and Coleman Hawkins. |
Charley Parker was one cool dude; Miles said that even when he was shabby and broke, he had that look that said he had it, and he knew he had it; the music and the sound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqorVLscxRI |
"Old School" is sure sounding good this evening; it makes me feel better just listening to it; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzkfSx4Wgk0 |
Re "Les Liasons Dangereuses": The music in O-10’s link is not music by Monk nor the "film soundtrack" for the movie. On that link is some of the music composed by Duke Jordan for only the party scene in the movie. Little of that music was actually used for the film. This and the unused music was released as an album with Duke Jordan credited as the leader. The music for the party scene was essentially a "Jazz Messengers" session and compounding the confusion is the fact that it is not Duke Jordan playing piano, but Bobby Timmons instead. That very same music was also released as an Art Blakey Jazz Messengers record; but the same tunes were given different titles (!?!?). https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUJ7V33M1wR0kn82R1Xp6WwvZ47aK-2BP Monk did record the soundtrack and performed, as Pryso points out, mostly non-original compositions. This music, the actual soundtrack to the movie, was never released as a record and can be heard only in the film. From the very first piano notes heard on the film it is obvious that it is Monk: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EvsIDDKr7cs |
$$$$$$$$$$$ Strictly speculation on my part, but what I think is this; and, I base this in what I know about the industry and how contracts are ironed out: The film was a big hit in part because of the notoriety around the nude scenes which had to be edited for American audiences....imagine that! It was 1959 after all. The producers saw a way to capitalize on the film’s success by attaching its name recognition to the music. They had a whole album’s worth of mostly unused music; so, why not take advantage of the situation and release an album of the recorded party scene music and call it a soundtrack? Hey, then let’s do it again and release the same music as a different album by a different artist (Blakey)! Due to contractual issues, or perhaps simply to make it seem like it wasn’t the same, the names of the tunes were changed. Artists are often at the mercy of the producers’ whims and they probably had little say in the matter. Moreover, they probably didn’t make that much to begin with so it was a way to get a bigger paycheck. Cynical view of the situation? Maybe, but I don’t think so. Further speculation: As you point out, Monk waited to the last minute to sign the contract. Why? Maybe he felt uneasy about the situation or the producers involved and procrastinated. As already noted, little of his music was original. Speculation, but wouldn’t surprise me one bit. |
Well, that was clear, until it was not. You suggest "the names of the tunes were changed." From my listening, o10's initial post was not Monk, and those tunes were not the same as listed for his recording date in the bio I referenced. I didn't watch the film link beyond the opening two minutes or so. As you pointed out, that was obviously Monk. So without having watched the remainder of the film could it be that the Jordan music was utilized in the soundtrack for only the "party scene" while the remainder of the film utilized music recorded in that three day session with Monk and Blakey and the Jazz Messengers? That way both could be credited as from the soundtrack. |
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Pryso, you win the grand prize for solving the mystery, now which album do you prefer? I declare the remainder of this evening to be guitar night; here's one of everybody's favorites; Kenny Burrell, he's got such a warm sound, I could listen to him all night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQGhX8uAKjc |
pryso, not sure why the confusion with what I wrote. **** From my listening, o10’s initial post was not Monk, and those tunes were not the same as listed for his recording date in the bio I referenced. **** That is what I wrote and makes the point about retitling, I think. **** could it be that the Jordan music was utilized in the soundtrack for only the "party scene" while the remainder of the film utilized music recorded in that three day session with Monk and Blakey and the Jazz Messengers? **** That is also what I wrote; with the possible exception that if you are suggesting that Monk played on the same tunes with the Jazz Messengers, I don’t believe so. If you watch the entire film you will see that the music that appears on both the Duke Jordan and the Blakey records is used only in the party scene and it was Timmons on piano not Monk. Only a little if the music recorded for the party scene, and which appears on those two records, was actually used in that party scene. None of the soundtrack music (except the party scene) is Blakey; it is Monk. Was ALL the music, Monk and Jordan, recorded during the same three days? Who knows. Certainly possible; but, separately I believe. Regardless, I think that calling either the Blakey or the Jordan records the "movie soundtrack" is quite a stretch. Re the titles: Here is a tune titled "Miguel’s Party" as it appears on the Blakey record: https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLUJ7V33M1wR0kn82R1Xp6WwvZ47aK-2BP&v=p4ypqf7J4x8 Same tune (different take) as it appears on the Jordan record; this time titled "Subway Inn": https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLdvLF0osAgEhC6dS-F6FgB_xrwzEwrmbE&v=1jdGUzc8jBg |
I love these mysteries and I think there is even more to this one than what we have considered so far. A couple more clues to the solving it: Unless I’m mistaken one of the sticking points seems to be whether Monk recorded WITH the Blakey band on any of the tracks for the movie soundtrack. As I opined previously, I don’t think so. I think Monk used his band and Blakey used his band (Jazz Messengers) for the party scene music. If one watches the movie one notices that, first, whenever there is music, ASIDE FROM the party scene, it is often Monk playing solo and when he is accompanied by a band one hears Charlie Rouse’s distinctive tenor sound and NOT Barney Wilen who played on the Jazz Messengers sessions. Additionally, when Monk is playing one NEVER hears Lee Morgan’s trumpet (or any trumpet). BUT WAIT!!! There are a couple of scenes in the movie when the band gets screen time and it is not Blakey’s band NOR Monk’s band; one sees a young Art Taylor on drums who played on the Duke Jordan record. A much more handsome guy than Blakey was....that’s the film industry for ya. Additionally, there are a couple of soundtrack spots when one clearly hears Charlie Rouse’s tenor, BUT, not with Monk, but with, presumably, Jordan’s band as credited on the Jordan record. So, my final answer (opinion): Monk either played solo or with HIS band on the soundtrack. That music was never released as a record. Additionally, there TWO other bands who were used for the party scene music, Blakey’s and Jordan. Each of those sessions, possibly augmented after the fact, was released as different records. |
Well, I guess I just proved it is foolish to offer comments on music I’ve not heard. :^( As I admitted, I hadn’t watched the film so could only guess about the specific music beyond the first two minutes or so. However I based my input on what I’d read in the Monk bio. That stated that Monk as well as Blakey and the Messengers were booked into a studio for three days to make their recordings for the film. Apparently Monk laid down his tracks the first day. There was no suggestion that Monk recorded with the Messengers during that session. And so far as I read, Jordan and his band were not present. I believe all that fits within the information/suggestion provided by frogman. Also o10, I should have said no recording release of Monk’s performance for the film. Obviously as linked here, both Blakey & the JM (I skipped over that) and Jordan do have soundtrack records. Sorry if I added confusion. |
No apology necessary for any of it, imo. I think the confusion can lead to learning some things about the artists and their "scene"; or, at least, put things in a certain perspective. I think that one of the takeaways is that while we tend to look at at the various projects that our musical heroes were involved with in an almost reverential way, sometimes it was, for them, just a day's work. |
Here is a vocalist we seemed to have overlooked, she sounds so good late at night; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmj-856HCGU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASqfSNJ_Gis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhGHMxrOdww |
Take a step back in time with me and enjoy some forgotten vocalists. I got a thing about "Where Flamingos Fly"; I'm not sure I've been where flamingos fly, but it's for sure that's where I wanted to go when I heard this. Linda Lawson came and went, but I liked her; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE2C0kRBmj8 Another forgotten vocalist; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1INhj10CiCE |
Nor should you pass it up. Thanks for posting this. Interesting stuff. Some great reminiscences by so many of the musicians who knew him and obviously had tremendous respect for him as a musician. I particularly enjoyed Rudy Vangelder's and George Benson's comments. I think a testament to how highly regarded Grant Green was is the fact that so many of the persons interviewed made themselves available to be interviewed. I say this because in many respects Jr.'s approach to the documentary is extremely amateurish. Always very touching to witness someone's search for his roots, but I was surprised by his lack of understanding about just how important a musician his father was and his lack of understanding about music in general. Also, a conspicuous absence of music by Grant Green himself in the documentary. And why on earth the cheesy smooth-jazz used during some of the footage? Still, some really good commentaries about his dad. Thanks again and glad you're feeling better. |
Frogman, I made the same observations as you, but fortunately Rudy and the musicians saved the day. It was good for me to see those local musicians; Terry the pianist, and Kenny Rice the drummer. Kenny was the musician I wrote about who sat at our table during the "Trane" set. I often talked to "Terry",(who they introduced as an organist, but I thought of as a pianist) Where he played was my favorite hangout,so I saw him quite often. He was the go to pianist for the major jazz musicians who came to town without one. As good as he was, I wondered why he didn't leave St. Louis to become rich and famous. I discovered fortune didn't always come with fame, and besides, he made a good living without leaving St. Louis. Even with Junior's shortcomings, this turned out to be a very revealing story for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdFYaK_nUCs This Grant Green Trio made in 69, is the same as an old friend talking to me; that's the true "Grant Green sound", no frills; I heard him when he played for himself. |
Sorry to do this to you, but listen to 1:04:05.I did not listen to rest of the youtube recording, so ymmv. Very good record, but was sorta stunned by this version of a Bob Dylan song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSGTYdI-VTE |
This is the first new music I've liked in some time; it's got what it takes to take me on a journey to someplace I've alwys wanted to go, but never been; Orion 10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUaQimTc1yk It's on order. |