OK Thanks to all of you for your kind answers and suggestions, I could try the LP Gear one, Rome is very prepared and really kind, he explained me various things and gave me some advice, Raul thanks for sending me the Bluz Bros link but the D5000 stylus is unavailable and then if the D4000 stylus that is available ir's for saleat $ 434, pure madness, in my opinion, the price for the D5000 would be even higher and assuming it is really original: with little more than $ 500 it is already possible to buy a new current cartridge that maybe sounds better than my XSV / 5000, or maybe not? ... anyway maybe I have found in these days, I hope, a bargain: a whole XSV / 5000 cartridge for 300 € with Shipped via an acquaintance by a professional and established Jazz trumpet player whose grandfather was a great Hi End collector who gave him various turntables and related pickups, including this XSV / 5000 in perfect condition, I hope well to have facts the choice down is, then I will tell you if I made a good deal or not .. by the way, given the disaster I have made, please advise me what substance or product to use to clean the stylus diamond? isophrilic alcohol can go, or what other ? what kind of brush and how to clean it so as not to damage the cantilever it? thank you again
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Dear @freeman59 : Here an original replacement for your 5000:
https://www.adelcom.net/PickeringStylus1.htm
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Have you considered having your stylus assembly rebuilt? I know this is a course of action usually reserved for MC cartridges, but in this case if you are desperate to preserve the original sound, and if you cannot find or afford an NOS XSV5000 stylus assembly, a rebuild may get you closest to the OEM sound. The Stereohedron and Stereohedron II styli are no longer made, but Shibata is a close approximation. I have no experience with the LP Gear replacement but since the cost is modest, and since the tip is Shibata, you might also give that one a try. (I don't know the material used in the XSV cantilever, but you want to replicate that as well to preserve the SQ as much as possible.) Chakster will not or would not approve of either course of action. I also don't know if the LP Gear XSV5000 replacement is the same as or different from their XSV7500 stylus assembly, but an XSV7500 stylus will also fit your cartridge and can be regarded as an upgrade, assuming the LP Gear product is a good one. Simplest solution is to buy the LP Gear product and be on the lookout for an OEM stylus as you continue to enjoy your cartridge. |
Hi everyone..I hope someone can help me..stupidly I broke the D5000 stylus of my beloved Pickering XSV 5000 after cleaning the diamond tip too hard the cantliver no longer holds the weight .. after so many years of excellent sound , now I'm desperate: obviously I can't find any original stylus or NOS, and even if I did, I probably couldn't afford the cost, which I've read all over the web, it's scary ... the advice I would like from all of you, who are super experts, is whether it is better to settle for stylus reproduced, like this one: https://www.lpgear.com/product/PICKSXSV5000.html or if any of you can advise me else if there is better, or replace my beloved Pickering with a new cartridge..but which one can be considered the same or even better quality than the XSV / 5000 ??? and what are the costs? my XSV 5000 is on an SME 3009 lll S arm mounted on a Thorens TD160 Super MKll, pre VTL Deluxe, VTL 75/75 power amp with Pro Ac super tower mk ll, recently reconated: I listen, and as a pianist I also play , mostly jazz, fusion, but I also like other genres .. I liked the dynamics of my XSV 5000 ... what please advise me to do? Thank you |
This is great stuff! Dear friends: This is very interesting: Effective mass -- the smaller, the better: 0.970mg Shure "bi-radial" (0.4x0.7mil, MM) 0.750mg Ortofon X1-MCP (p-mount, high output MC) 0.500mg Ortofon OM10 stylus (bushed elliptical, MI) 0.400mg Ortofon OM20 stylus (nude elliptical, MI) 0.400mg Ortofon X5-MC (HOMC, nude FG) 0.370mg Shure Elliptical (0.2x0.7mil, MM) 0.330mg Shure bi-radial on V15-III (MM) (berillium control rod) 0.300mg Ortofon OM30 stylus (nude Fine Line), OM40 (nude FG), MI 0.290mg Technics EPC-P202C (p-mount, MM) 0.290mg Shure HE on V15-IV (MM) ("telescopic shank") 0.270mg Denon DL-301 (MC) 0.250mg Denon DL-207 (MC) 0.240mg Van den Hul Colibri (MC) 0.230mg Technics EPC-P310MC (p-mount, MC) 0.220mg Ortofon Jubilee (MC) 0.180mg Denon DL-303 (MC) 0.170mg Shure Micro-Ridge (0.15x3.00mil, MM) 0.168mg Denon DL-305 0.109mg Technics EPC-P205CMK4 (p-mount, 0.2x0.7mil, MM) 0.098mg Technics EPC-100CMK3 (MM) 0.077mg Denon DL1000 (MC) 0.055mg Technics EPC-P100CMK4 (p-mount, MM) |
As a proud owner of Pickering XSV/3000, 3000SP, 4000, 5000; XLZ/4500, 7500 ... I must admit those are fantastic MM cartridges. Top models have the Stereohedron mkII profile, lower models have first generation of Stereohedron profile. Natural progression for any Pickering owner is next Pickering model (if there are any). The 5000 and 7500 series are top of the line models. *** Below is the information from Pickering catalog: “The culmination of 30 years of Audio Engineering leadership - the new Stereohedron XSV/5000. The best for both worlds. One of the most dramatic developments of cartridge performance was the introduction of the Pickering XSV/3000. It offered the consumer a first generation of cartridges, combining both high tracking ability and superb frequency response. It utilized a new concept in stylus design - Stereohedron, coupled with an exotic samarium cobalt moving magnet. Now Pickering offers a top-of-the-line Stereohedron cartridge, the XSV/5000. Combining features of both the XSV/3000 and the XSV/4000. It allows a frequency response out to 50,000 Hz. The Exclusive Stereohedron Tip, The new XSV samarium cobalt magnet accounts for an extremely high output with the smallest effective tip mass. The Stereohedron tip design is the result of long research in extended frequency response for tracing of high frequency modulations. The patented Dustamatic brush and stylus work hand in hand with the rest of the cartridge assembly to reproduce with superb fidelity all frequencies contained in today’s recordings. Pickering is proud to offer the XSV/5000 as the best effort yet in over 30 years of cartridge development. A fresh new breakthrough in cartridge development designed specifically as an answer for the low impedance moving coil cartridge - XLZ/7500S The advantages of the XLZ/7500S are that it offers characteristics exceeding even the best of moving coil cartridges. Features such as an openness of sound and extremely fast risetime, less than 10µ seconds, to provide a new crispness in sound reproduction. At the same time, the XLZ/7500S provides these features without any of the disadvantages of ringing, undesirable spurious harmonics which are often characterizations of moving coil pickups. The above advantages provide a new sound experience while utilizing the proven advantages of the Stereohedron stylus, a samarium cobalt assembly, a patented Pickering Dustamatic brush, with replaceable stylus, along with low dynamic tip mass with very high compliance for superb tracking. So, for those who prefer the sound characteristics attributed to moving coil cartridges, but insist on the reliability, stability and convenience of moving magnet design, Pickering presents its XLZ/7500S. THE SOURCE OF PERFECTION PICKERING from Pickering Enter No. 30 on Reader Service Card "for those who can hear the difference" For further information on the XSV/5000 and the XLZ/7500S write to Pickering Inc., Sunnyside Blvd., Plainview, N.Y.” |
In my opinion the closest to the sweet sound of the best Stanton & Pickering cartridges is Pioneer PC-1000 mkII with Beryllium cantilever. |
@dover , I agree fully on the Hana's and the AT. My approach now to cartridges is different. When I have a bunch of them I always wind up listening to the one I like best and the others languish. I sold the lot and only keep one extra as a back up. I'd rather not have a lot of money sitting in cartridges I do not use. Now I patiently wait for a cartridge I am pretty sure will make an improvement buy that and sell the back up. I used the extra money to buy a new turntable:-) |
@tzh21y Sounds like you should just find the best stylus replacement you can for the Pickering - worthwhile even it ends up as a backup. I'm personally not impressed by the Hana's - if I was going budget I really like the Audiiotechnica AT33PTG - a friend ran it on his TW Acustik Raven/Helius combo and it was very musical. I prefer the microcline/microscanner stylus profile to the shibata - its very transparent, but the shibata can be a little brittle in some instances. I would back this cartridge over the Ortofon Black any time. To give you context my main go to cartridges include Dynavector Nova 13D (with custom Dynavector rebuild), Ikeda kiwame, Koetsu Black and I can listen to the AT33PTG and be perfectly happy. With my Nagaoka MM its great but it just doesn't engage me. |
ll I have to say is I have listened to a lot of cartridges in my day and the Pickering XSV 3000 is still on my table. To me, that says a lot. Its why I started this thread. I know the Ortofon Black is a very well known MM cartridge and I have heard it a few times. It does not have the same smooth sound of the Pickering. In fact, the Pickering does remind me more of Koetsu cartridge sound than the Ortofon. I remember the Ortofon Black being a very detailed MM cartridge. Thats what I remember. Other than MC cartridges, what cartridge can compare for the money? Thats the question. maybe the Hana? |
NOW, but you guys always referring to your faulty memories from the 70's, 80's. How can you even remember the sound of a cartridge you tried about 40 years ago ??Well, their memories are probably more reliable than taking advice from someone promoting vintage cartridges on audiogon who conicidentally happens to have a business buying clapped out vintage cartridges from Japan and reselling them on eBay etc. |
Dear Chakster, Evidently you really do not understand the connotations of the word "fake" as we use it here. Or else it means something slightly different in Russian. LP Gear sell a stylus assembly as a replacement for the original Stereohedron that fits the Pickering cartridges and includes an aluminum cantilever terminated with a press-fitted Shibata stylus. Their ad copy very clearly describes what they are selling. Yes, it is not an OEM stylus; they tell you that. No, it is not fake in any way. It is up to the buyer to decide if he or she wants to settle for what LP Gear offers or to search on-line for a true OEM replacement stylus for much more money. Nothing wrong with either solution if your stylus is broken or worn out. We are lucky to have LP Gear and companies like them in this crazy hobby. I don't agree with Mijostyn that new is always better. Sometimes, maybe. And I certainly don't hold with Clearaudio MM cartridges as sterling examples of MM cartridges that can compete with the best of the oldies. |
Now, I used very nonspecific terms like, "appear" and "may" Because I do not have these cartridges now and have never used an LP Gear product. I can not say what the real truth behind all this is. But, I have had several Pickering and Stanton products in the past and have always viewed my styli under magnification. I can say for an absolute fact that styli from Clearaudio, Soundsmith, Grado, Koetsu, Ortofon and Lyra are all much cleaner and better cut and mounted than the styli in those older cartridges. I remember returning two top of the line Pickerings because of cantilevers headed in the wrong direction. It would not be hard for a modern manufacturer to make better stylus replacements for these vintage cartridges. Using modern profiles is an added benefit. They are not better cut than any of the old styli from the same manufacturers like Ogura or Namiki, all those most complicated profiules invented decades ago. Your Clear Audio motor made by Audio-Technica in Japan (and that a cheap motor, but cartridge retail is very expensive). Unprotected cantilever is awful solution, it's easy to break accidentally. Those type of cartridge must be avoided for practical reason (any mistake with cost a lot! ). If it's "better" for you it's fine, but for me new $4000 MC cartridge is not better than NOS $700 Stanton MM. They are compared NOW in my listening room, not 100 years ago in your childhood. Pickering XSV/5000 or Stanton CS-100 WOS are much better cartridges than Grado Signature model like XTZ. Boron Rod cantilevers and Advanced parabolic Styli on most of the modern cartridges looks identical to this combo from the mid 80's. No difference. I bought many Stanton and Pickering in the past 5 years, never seen any sample with bent cantilever, I also prefer to buy NOS. This is XSV/4000 cantilever. If I remember correct your Koetsu is the entry level Black model. At the moment in my system I have Miyabi MCA by Takeda-San, Fidelity Research FR-7fz by Ikeda-San, and Pickering XSV/5000 by Walter Stanton (replaced Joe Grado Signature XTZ). Pickering XSV/5000 is a killer MM cartridge for funny price compared to the rest of MC I'm using in my system now. It's very important to compare cartridges NOW, but you guys always referring to your faulty memories from the 70's, 80's. How can you even remember the sound of a cartridge you tried about 40 years ago ?? |
@chakster , hyperelliptical means that the short radius is shorter than a normal ellipse. In reality elliptical styli are not true ellipses. They are conical styli that have had two opposite sides ground down and the short axis polished on both sides. A hyperelliptical stylus just has more ground off creating a narrower contact point. Point being there is nothing special about the Stereohedron stylus. Now, I used very nonspecific terms like, "appear" and "may" Because I do not have these cartridges now and have never used an LP Gear product. I can not say what the real truth behind all this is. But, I have had several Pickering and Stanton products in the past and have always viewed my styli under magnification. I can say for an absolute fact that styli from Clearaudio, Soundsmith, Grado, Koetsu, Ortofon and Lyra are all much cleaner and better cut and mounted than the styli in those older cartridges. I remember returning two top of the line Pickerings because of cantilevers headed in the wrong direction. It would not be hard for a modern manufacturer to make better stylus replacements for these vintage cartridges. Using modern profiles is an added benefit. @rauliruegas , Musical Surroundings the Clearaudio importer in the US says all their cartridges are designed and built in house. The factory tour does show them building cartridges. So, unless somebody can give me solid information to the contrary I have to assume they do make and design their own cartridges. |
Dear @tzh21y : " ereohedron stylus is a special stylus " well the AKG analog6 it’s too if we take your statement as true but unfortunatelly it’s not and that stylus has nothing of special: it’s a copy of the Shibata but a bad copy because the Shibata is a better design. Huges who patented it was not really an inventor about he just copy-cat and as I posted Huges did it a tiny modification to the Shibata design to be accepted his patent but that mod gaves nothing in change of advantage over the Shibata was only for to be patented. The Paratrace is not really an invention but a mod over the VDH stylus. Look, if you die for the cartridge you own stay with and makes no sense to go for something different. Btw, LPGear stylus comes from Nagaoka and Namiki. R.. |
It would appear that the only thing wrong with LP Gear’s replacement styli is that they are not the originals and may even surpass the original using a better stylus and modern production methods. The Stereohedron stylus was nothing but a "hyperelliptical" stylus. Yes, all problems solved by LP GEAR, just buy their $79 fake Stanton CS-100 stylus instead of $450 original and be happy. You must be proud, because hundreds of Stanton owners worldwide are slower than you, maybe not so smart, they just don’t know there are $75 stylus made with modern technologies and much better than Walter O. Stanton top of the line design from the golden age of analog. It’s so silly that some people don’t know that everything NEW is always better, especially when it comes to vinyl in 2021. Stereohedron is nothing compared to LP GEAR, you’re so right. Thank you for clarification. Your opinion is very important. As a big fan of ClearAudio and Goldring MM cartridges I hope you tried all Stanton and Pickering top models with original styli and compared them to Jico, LP Gear and others. Now let me tell you this: Do you know that original SC-100 W.O.S. cantilever is Red Sapphire coated, you will not find anything like that today, the $79 LP Gear is way different (look at the rating on their site). Sadly it’s not so popular as you expected, even if it’s new (pretending to be better as you think). Genuine CS-100 stylus is Stereohedron mk II (second generation of Parabolic profiles). There are first and second generation of Stereohedron if you don’t know. They are different! Do you know what is Samarium Cobalt magnet and why this type of magnet has been chosen. You mentioned "Hyperelliptical", but is just name, it’s a word, you’d better provide some data. All those styli are parabolic type, so what? Nothing changed much since Micro Ridge and it’s an old profile even if you like different name for same profile! Paratrace is the closest modern profile to Stereohedron. The reason why Stanton owners service their cartridge in UK (not at Soundsmith or whatever). I believe you know who manufacturer Stereohedron and where. Stanton made so many different models of cartridges to release their best stuff like 981 and CS-100 series (and low impedance versions). These are the most expensive Stanton cartridges and styli, but there are tons of different Stanton styli for 10 times cheaper prices in their vintage catalog (you can check here). P.S. I stopped to read post from some members who contradict to themselves, probably it’s because of the age, but I remember well their posts from 5-10 years ago on the same forum. If you want your cartridge to perform as expected you can only buy an original (MM or MC) and if you want to step into unknown area then you can make your Frankenstein and tell everybody it’s equal or even better than the original. Unfortunately, you can’t just clone the original. |
Dear @mijostyn : I agree with what you posted and only some " doubt " in who really design/manufacture the Clearaudio MM cartridges. I remember years ago that I made the Virtuoso Wood review and all " signs " told me that Audio Technica was who manufactured to Clearaudio specs. That Virtuoso is a great performer and its stylus was the FG80 that AT cartridges never used, better stylus shape than the Shibata and cartridges with radius in the 80um to the 100um in the Ortofon Replicant are extremely sensitive to VTA/SRA set up and I had that experience with the Virtuoso. I like Clearaudio cartridges MM and MC ones. R. |
Thanx rauliruegas, I did not know about the LVB 250 2M Black. Looks like a real winner. I agree with both lewm and rauliruegas. It would appear that the only thing wrong with LP Gear's replacement styli is that they are not the originals and may even surpass the original using a better stylus and modern production methods. The Stereohedron stylus was nothing but a "hyperelliptical" stylus. It had a much smaller contact area than the modern Shibata not to mention the GygerS, Replicant 100 and Soundsmith's OCL. These are all superior to anything they made in the 70's, 80's and 90's. Lewm, I do believe Clearaudio designs and manufactures it's own cartridges. You can see the reason their stuff is so expensive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJRnwIaCC2U The Charisma certainly has a very similar design to some of AT's cartridges using dual magnets at 90 degree angles. You can also see the German mentality. Compare this with Soundsmith's factory tour. I do not have any romantic notions about yesterday's cartridges. Technology marches on. Styli, cantilevers, magnets have all improved as have manufacturing techniques. On observation alone I can tell that modern styli are cut more cleanly and lack the discoloration you would see in earlier cartridges. Both Soundsmith and Clearaudio cartridges have significantly better construction quality. Beautifully clean styli mounted perfectly on cantilevers that are dead on. Much more accurate than Shure, Empire, Pickering or Stanton could manage. |
Dear friends: This is very interesting: Effective mass -- the smaller, the better: 0.970mg Shure "bi-radial" (0.4x0.7mil, MM) 0.750mg Ortofon X1-MCP (p-mount, high output MC) 0.500mg Ortofon OM10 stylus (bushed elliptical, MI) 0.400mg Ortofon OM20 stylus (nude elliptical, MI) 0.400mg Ortofon X5-MC (HOMC, nude FG) 0.370mg Shure Elliptical (0.2x0.7mil, MM) 0.330mg Shure bi-radial on V15-III (MM) (berillium control rod) 0.300mg Ortofon OM30 stylus (nude Fine Line), OM40 (nude FG), MI 0.290mg Technics EPC-P202C (p-mount, MM) 0.290mg Shure HE on V15-IV (MM) ("telescopic shank") 0.270mg Denon DL-301 (MC) 0.250mg Denon DL-207 (MC) 0.240mg Van den Hul Colibri (MC) 0.230mg Technics EPC-P310MC (p-mount, MC) 0.220mg Ortofon Jubilee (MC) 0.180mg Denon DL-303 (MC) 0.170mg Shure Micro-Ridge (0.15x3.00mil, MM) 0.168mg Denon DL-305 0.109mg Technics EPC-P205CMK4 (p-mount, 0.2x0.7mil, MM) 0.098mg Technics EPC-100CMK3 (MM) 0.077mg Denon DL1000 (MC) 0.055mg Technics EPC-P100CMK4 (p-mount, MM) R. Btw, MicroRidge has 75um on radius. In other side I was not aware that Grado was the inventor or at least the patent of ellipthical stylus shape. |
Dear @anthonya : I’m not against conical stylus shape as a fact I own the 103 and Fulton cartridges too but certainly that shape can’t pick up the recording information that comes in the LP grooves, only can to pick up a minor part of it. Please read here: http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/HFN/LP3/aroundthebend.html Btw: Conical stylus = less contact surface. Less contact surface = greater pressure greater pressure = greater wear/time greater wear = shorter useful life. The stylus shapes with big contact areas are the ones that will last the most. The Denon 103 lasts a lot not because of the tip shape but because it is polished to a mirror finish, unlike many styli. Also "substantial piece of diamond in the groove" is a bit misleading. A conical stylus has only a very small contact areaa. Physical size of the gem makes no difference regarding wear. R. |
Dear @lewm : You are rigth and that stylus shape is not a big deal and is far away from the best today stylus shape even the stereohedron stylus shape was not made/designed by Stanton, its patent belongs to the inventor: Huges, Diamagnetics Inc. and was made it after the Shibata stylus shape and for Huges registered the patent, because it’s a copy of " like Shibata " he made something additional that does not gives any advantage. Shibata still is better ( larger radius ) than the stereohedron and obviously a superior stylus shape. Shibata is so good that not only today Ortofon uses it but other cartridge manufacturers too. If the stereohedron will be better then this will be what the cartridge manufacturers use instead Shibata. So the LPGear Shibata replacement stylus is better than the original and as any vintage and some today cartridges uses samarium cobalt magnets that are rally common against neodynium or alnico or platinum. Shibata has two version of the stylus where the difference belongs at the radius. The " normal " Shibata stylus has a 75 uM radius vs 70 uM on the stereohedron. @arizonabob is rigth too about Shure hiperelliptical and MicroRidge. No one of the Stanton/Pickering can beats the Shure Ultra 500 , this one outperforms any Stanton. I’m not saying that Stanton is not a good cartridge because it’s but it’s not as competitive as so many vintage and certainly today better cartridge designs. Btw, the AT MicroLine stylus shape is exactly the Jico SAS nad made it by Namiki, both are advanced stylus kind of shape . Problem with that person that lives in Rusia is that he is a seller and is full of Stanton cartridges/stylus and he wants to sold as fast he can no matters what and that’s why he has to post lies after lies. Pity. R. 70uM for Stereohedron 70uM for the VDH according to Audio Technica 70uM for the Fritz Gyger 70 [FG70] according to Ortofon. FG90 also exists. 75uM for the Shibata 75uM for SAS and MicroLine. 100uM for Ortofon Replicant ( is a Gyger modification. ) |
There are many superb cartridges with Shibata stylus, first is Victor X1II which is another amazing MM (but definitely more expensive than Stanton/Pickering). Looking for best NOS carts from the past (collecting them) is a part of the hobby, it’s fun, there at at least 10 best MM that can compete with everything (no matte new, old, mm, mi or mc). Top models from Stanton, Victor, Audio-Technica, Pickering, Grace, Pioneer... just to name some brands from the past, there are more. Shibata was a stylus originally designed by one of JVC’s employee’s (Norio Shibata), to enable better tracing of the high frequencies which their CD-4 quadraphonic system records needed. JVC were the designer of CD-4, which was one of a number of competing quadraphonic (4 channel) systems back in the 70’s, and because it needed a frequency response to 50 kHz, they had to design a new stylus to enable that. Other versions similar to the Shibata stylus began to be made, such as Ogura and Van den Hul, but with slight differences in shape so as not to infringe the Shibata patent. |
I balked at first to the Ortofon 2M Black. After purchasing one, and after the 'break in' period I find it mesmerizing. Purchased a second and a third to have on hand just in case. The Shibata stylus in this engine is (in my opinion) the finest MM cartridge out there. To better it, take a big step up to an MC. Disclaimer; Then again, I always found the Shure cartridges back in day preferable to the aforementioned Stanton/Pickerings. Just my two cents worth. AB |
Dear Chakster, I think you are getting a bit hysterical for nothing. What I am quibbling with is your use of the word “fake”. LP gear do not say that they are selling original Pickering or Stanton stylus assemblies. I think I use this word correct. If you understand they are not selling GENUINE replacement other people have no clue what they are selling (and they sell many fake styli for many brands). I don’t care what type of stylus profile they are using (this is not the question here). Even if it’s aluminum cantilever it’s different from the original, not to mention SAMARIUM COBALT MAGNET used in the original Stanton/Pickering stylus.
If one can’t source the original it’s better to stay away from any vintage cartridges, because those fake styli is a huge compromise, it can be OK for some cheap cartridges, but for top of the line cartridges it’s not even close. Even JICO SAS is not better than some of the original styli which makes those vintage MM so special. I lived through the history of Pickering and Stanton cartridges, and I even lived in New York City, and I have even been on Long Island many times. So I am well aware of the history. That has nothing to do with the present situation for owners of Pickering and Stanton cartridges. Never been to United Stated, but in present situation (living in Russia) I have all the original styli, not only for Pickering and Stanton, but for many rare MM cartridges. If I am able to find them NOS living almost in the Arctic Circle then why do you always think that even living in the USA people can’t find them (it’s your local brand) and need those fake LP Gear styli ? Stanton and Pickering are not so rare and not so expensive like some other Japanese cartridges from the same era for example. In my opinion it’s important to support enthusiasm, but in your posts (almost in every post about vintage carts) I read so much pessimism, that’s not good @lewm P.S. for MM cartridges retipping, refurbishing, fake styli ... are not good until we can find the original ! And we CAN, internet is great for searching. |
by herb of stereophile.. I also feel. same way. AT-VM95C I have a BFF relationship with the spherical-tipped Denon DL-103 moving coil, simply because it has never disappointed me while playing a record. The late Art Dudley campaigned for the spherical-tip cause, stating in Listening #186: "I continue to prefer the spherical experience—to me, it emphasizes musical content over air, allowing instruments and voices to sound more substantial, and music to sound, overall, less fussy than with other tip types." (The emphasis is his.) I agree 100% with Art's observation: Spherical/conical-tipped cartridges emphasize "musical content" with force and vigor. And simplification. By eliminating some amounts of complex low-level spatial, atmospheric, and harmonic information, conical tips seem to expose the raw, beating core of humans playing music. That's why I love them.1220gramdr.ctip Speaking of force and vigor, the AT-VM95C (conical)—which is even cheaper than the $49 elliptical version, at $34—sounded cool, fast, and powerful but also detailed and invigorating. It played complex recordings, like the Stravinsky Conducts Histoire Du Soldat Suite, with power-packed, pitch-perfect bass, a flawlessly toned and detailed midrange, and enough upper-octave energy to make trumpets, drums, and woodwinds sound lifelike and exciting. Drum impact was spectacular. Music-pleasure–wise, Audio-Technica's VM95C was the most satisfying cartridge in this survey. It shifted my perspective and made me reconsider what I thought I knew about phonography. |
Dear Chakster, I think you are getting a bit hysterical for nothing. What I am quibbling with is your use of the word “fake”. LP gear do not say that they are selling original Pickering or Stanton stylus assemblies. They admit they are selling substitutions for those items, because those items are long out of production. However, what they are selling does have some merit in that the stylus shape is Shibata. The correct StereoHedron falls into the category of “Shibata-like”, so at least close to ideal. If one cannot source an original replacement stylus assembly, the LP Gear product would seem to be a reasonable substitute that ought not to be much different in SQ from original. I lived through the history of Pickering and Stanton cartridges, and I even lived in New York City, and I have even been on Long Island many times. So I am well aware of the history. That has nothing to do with the present situation for owners of Pickering and Stanton cartridges. |
Dear @anthonya : I understand your enthusiasm for the pro but unfortunatelly even your best recording studio friends are far away from true high-end audiophiles. So, not a true reference for audiophiles, at least for me. Conical, magical? certainly for you and maybe to some one else with low knowledge levels. Yes we can listen LPs through a Denon 103 or with a Fulton one. Maybe what you need to research is the main importance of the cartridge motor that goes way before stylus shape because cantilever is even more important than stylus shape. """ better durability of the stylus. "" in the original. This is a misunderstood because all stylus are from diamond material and exist only 3 suppliers for all the cartridge industry. Different stylus shapes could last longer than other in between. It’s enough for today, to each his own. R. |
LP GEAR styli are fake, they have no rights for use Stanton or Pickering trademark logo. Their styli are blank. Those are fake and has absolutely nothing to do with Stanton or Pickering company at their hey day under Walter O. Stanton leadership who sold his company in the 90’s and since that time Stanton or Pickering never made any Hi-Fi cartridge! Under the New ownerships (Stanton Group) manufacturing ONLY cheap DJ cartridges, turntables etc. Here is a history lesson: ** Mr. Pickering was one of the founders of the Audio Engineering Society in 1948, was George Szell’s recording consultant, researched violin acoustics and constructed more than fifty vioins and violas and was active in the Violin Society of America. He also worked on ultrasound eye imaging with the technique’s inventor. After the war ended in 1945, Pickering met an engineer who said he could sell all of the pickups he could build. So with some friends he went into business in Oceanside, Long Island and sure enough as many as he could build were quickly sold at first only to radio stations. But by 1947 the demand from high-fidelity fanatics was strong enough for what’s now called a ‘cartridge’ and Pickering & Company was formed to meet the new hobby’s demands. By the mid 1950s, the company employed more than 150 people at its Plainview, Long Island headquarters. Norman C. Pickering, an engineer, inventor and musician whose pursuit of audio clarity and beauty helped make phonograph records and musical instruments sound better , died in East Hampton, N.Y. He was 99. ** Walter O Stanton. A pioneer in the audio field, Stanton was responsible for many of the early patents in phono cartridge and styli design and electrostatic speakers, as well as other electro mechanical items. He was one of the early leaders in the audio industry and served as president of both the Institute of Hi Fidelity and the Audio Engineering Society (AES). One of the original owners of Pickering & Company, started in 1947, he later established Stanton Magnetics Inc in 1961. He was the chairman and president of both Pickering & Co and Stanton Magnetics Inc until 1998. Under his leadership, the various companies developed leading products in the audio, aerospace, military and communications fields with factories in Plainview, New York and West Palm Beach, Florida. Walter O. Stanton, the inventor of an easily replaceable phonograph stylus that was crucial to creating a consumer market for audio equipment, died in Palm Beach Gardens, FL. He was 86. |
Dear @lewm : I experienced in more than one time to buy on LPGear and is trusty one with out doubt. They works as OEM and its replacement stylus are good because are made it for one of the 5 only world manufacturers. So, cantilevers and stylus shape does not comes from Jico but for the other manufacturers. They have original replacements too as new cartyridges and even NOS ones. https://www.lpgear.com/product/ATN150SA.html Do it you a favor and pull the triger on this MI not MM but hurry about: https://www.lpgear.com/product/STANTON681EEEMK3.html R. |
Dear @tzh21y : This is the Ortofon Beethoven Aniversari 2M Black best MM cartridge designed by them, they made it not only a change on parts as the boron cantilever but in the cartridge motor too: https://www.ortofon.com/2m-black-lvb-250-p-957-n-1579 R. |
Dear @anthonya : a DJ, really? you can't choose any worst reference than a DJ where its cartridges has nothing not even relationship with audiophuile cartridges. Verified by the pro?, what they know about LOMC cartridges vintage or today ones or electrect,MI,IM,MM true audiophile cartridges?. Just forgeret about. You are wrong because your reference is the worst one you could find out. But, if you believe what they told you then that speaks by it self the knowledge levels you have, good. "" is same as 1042 "" absolutely not, the Audio Note and Reson cartridges are made by Goldring but the cartridge motor is way different as is the cantilever/stylus and almost everything but the cartridge body. I own the Reson and the 1042, way different. I don't recomend any cartridge that be not a " superior " design/performer. R. |
I say again, the LP Gear replacement styli are not “fake”. They are simply a slightly different but related shape (Shibata), compared to the correct original StereoHedron type. LP Gear discloses this fact in their ad copy. There is no attempt to deceive. Perhaps Chakster does not understand all the negative connotations of the word “fake”. As to the claims for shorter life span or enhanced record wear, where are the data? Could be true; could be BS. Could be one man’s opinion. I have no connection with LP Gear. Don’t think I ever did business with them. But if I needed a new stylus assembly for my Pickering cartridges, I would rather have a known NOS stylus from LP gear than a pig in a poke “original” stylus assembly which might or might not be NOS from a stranger. |
