Owned or Demo'd & recommend: Quad "VA-One+" Quad "Vena II" Cayin "CS-55a" SimAudio "240i" SimAudio "340iX" Hegel "190" & "590"..................
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My audiolab 6000A has a very nice ES9018K2M Sabre DAC chip with 2 coaxial, 2 optical inputs plus bluetooth streaming, a decent phono stage, class AB amplification and good specs. It’s $1000 and it brings a lot to the table. Sadly, it isn’t written about much which makes it a definite outlier. |
hegel 190 or 390
very good dacs... absolutely outstanding amps
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Yes, I do! Gold Note IS 1000 Deluxe. Not only with an excellent built-in DAC but also with an excellent phono stage and awesome streaming capabilities including “Roon ready” status. I have owned this piece (which is really quite beautiful) for about three months having down-sized from expensive separates and am very pleased in every respect.
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Hegel H390. Excellent DAC that includes streaming. The cheif designer’s attitude on reliable connectivity sold me. they wrote their own Apple Airplay code to improve function. They do not & [supposedly] will never have wifi or bluetooth. Network cable only. Yet streaming control can still be wireless via your router. I control Amazon music HD on my phone or ipad over wifi and the Hegel pulls the stream from the router via the cable. The net result is a MUCH more stable connection. My all too common streaming dropouts (due to wifi dropouts) have been a thing of the past since introducing the Hegel. My phone still suffers wifi dropouts but most often they are resolved before the streaming buffer is consumed resulting in no loss of music playing. No need to comment on the SQ of the H390 or it’s DAC. So many glowing reviews. Thought I’d add something a little different that made a huge improvement to my listening pleasure.
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Budget? What type of sound are you looking for? What speakers will this amp be driving?
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First post and I don’t want to start a war! Why buy an amp that will be great for many years with a built in DAC where the technology changes must faster when you could have separates?
I buy dumb TVs with a Roku so I can upgrade the Roku without replacing the TV. The panel is the same and I pay $100 for the Roku that is similar or better In performance to the “smart” in the TV. |
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Lyngdorf TDAI 3400. Has Room Correction built in too. Best I’ve experienced to date. |
Mark Levinson 5805 is a sweet integrated. Not as much power as the 585.5 but has a newer DAC that is just awesome. |
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Find a nice vintage Sansui Integrated Amp. Have it fully restored and enjoy it for the next 30 years. AU- 9500, AU- 9900, etc.
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I use a Lyngdorf 2170 in my downstairs system. I run my stock Oppo 205 out to the Lyngdorf via coax and it is substantially superior to using the internal Oppo DAC out to the Lyngdorf via XLR. As has been mentioned above, with Lyngdorf integrateds you also get Room Perfect. At the price of used units, I think you would be hard pressed to find a better integrated with an internal DAC.
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"Find a nice vintage Sansui Integrated Amp. Have it fully restored and enjoy it for the next 30 years. AU- 9500, AU- 9900, etc." Fine advice other than no DAC. |
Schiit Raggnorak Is probably the best value |
Question for the OP -- you gave no indication of price range or needed power. That would help narrow things down. |
Thanks to all who have given suggestions so far. My budget is about 12k for speakers and amp With DAC new or used. The room is 13x 20 fully treated with GIG panels and bass traps. I do have a pair of REL 7ti subs if needed. All my listening these days is from a vault with my cds loaded and streaming.
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@needlebrush What kind of sound do you like? Listening preferences and goals? Does this number include speaker cables, etc? Assuming you have ethernet or wifi? At $12k, depending on your goals, you should be able to put together a really nice setup. |
What aspects of sound reproduction do you value most?
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I value accuracy, coherence and soundstage and listen most everything. I have an Ethernet connection to my Bluesound Vault2 |
There’s a Hegel H360 integrated on US Audio Mart for $3250 ($5700 retail) that delivers what you’re looking for sonically and includes a good DAC as well. Pair that with some Joseph Audio Profiles ($7000/pr) or even LSA 20 Statements (discounted here to $4500/pr ($7k retail) and includes nice speaker cables) and you’d have an excellent-sounding system that soundstages like crazy for well under $12k. Hope this helps, and best of luck.
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Another Hegel H390 vote. Just excellent. |
just a sidenote on soix’s comment re the hegel h360
the newer 190 390 590 series specifically improves the dac section of these 160/360 prior gen units
the amp sections are virtually the same, if not, highly similar
this does raise the question of the wisdom of buying an expensive unit where one part (the DAC) might become outdated before other parts (linestage and amplifier) -- such is the challenge of figuring out how to spend money wisely in high end equipment... no clear answer |
Aesthetix Mimas; tube and SS with card based DAC from a Super designer of Analog and Digital circuits- jim White. The card based means it will have an upgrade future :-) stellar sound in both systems I have heard it in. If you like soundstage, look into Vandersteens. Have fun !!!! |
@jjss49 this does raise the question of the wisdom of buying an expensive unit where one part (the DAC) might become outdated before other parts (linestage and amplifier) -- such is the challenge of figuring out how to spend money wisely in high end equipment... no clear answer
I’ve seen this line of thinking over the years. Personally, I believe about five - ten years ago the better digital converters began to sound like music. I agree that a bad dac permanently installed in a good amp isnt ideal but in most cases you arent prohibited from adding an external dac. Here’s where I see the flaw in the argument. If you think something sounds good today, then it sounds good. Dacs dont erode over time like a tube, they will within operating parameters always sound as good as when you originally chose it for apparent sound quality reasons. To fully reveal my biases, Im not convinced that the ever increasing bit rates and dxdsdxyz mega resolution of month is improving the musical reproduction but YMMV. The better ladders/R2R dacs seem to be extracting the best of the format to my ears. Improved renderers/transports appear to have been a revelation in recent years. i have two digital setups that I really enjoy both fed over ethernet by an Innuos Zenith mkIII. In one setup, the Aqua La Scala/Linq is very nice and in anothe the inboard dac in my Boulder 866. They sound different but equally musical and I feel Im leaving nothing on the table. In fact, the dac in the 866 is good enough that Boulder is launching a new preamp in the 800 series based on the dac found in the 866. It features analog inputs, digital inputs and a sophisticated headphone section. How good is the output stage, thats where most of us should focus. In short, if it sounds good to you, it is good. My 2 cents. |
I was using a Parasound HALO integrated, with DAC and phono. Great all in one. Lots of power and very good sound. I found the DAC to be on par with the Chord QuTEST (side by side, about the same) Parasond was paired with KEF 500 floorstanders, and made those speakers sing. There is one for sale on Audiogon right now for about $1,500. Can't go wrong. It's well built and has 180WPC. I have since upgraded to SimAudio 740/860 and a seperate DAC- because I upgraded the speakers to KEF REF 5's. Parasound has a newer version out now- but sonically the older model (about 3 years old) sounds just as good if not better than the newer version. |