geoffkait20,215 posts03-12-2020 4:10pmYou flunked math, right? The only source that counts is the Johns Hopkins database, Einstein. China’s mortality rate is 4%. And it’s
always been about 4%.
Please go back and re-ready Scientific Journal. Reading comprehension is your friend @geoffkait Trust me! :)
~PS~ ***Hint #1*** Mortality for Wuhan and Mortality for outside of Wuhan are different. ***Hint #2*** Mortality rate for all of China is different than for Wuhan and all other areas outside of Wuhan.
Actually, 62,979,879 people put you-know-who into office and I don't doubt that some are audiophiles. 65,844,954 people who voted otherwise also have some audiophiles. Of the almost 100,000,000 who didn't vote, some are audiophiles as well. Does one side matter more than the other?
Some of them post here as well and had to listen to a lot of bunk put out on an almost daily basis by the ones who comprised the lessor amount with nary a word said. It was like free range carping. I've mentioned it before and it doesn't seem to sink in.
If your admonition was to me about their feelings, what about other's feelings, or is this just a one way street? Likewise, I too, respect your feelings.
"Do they think the water supply is going to dry up??"
Evidently. I also went to Smart & Final and Ralph's market yesterday and they were all out of bottled water too. I use it to make my coffee. It really brings out the nuances of flavors gained through home roasting. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ uberwaltz ...
Speaking of California, can you imagine what's going to happen to the homeless population living on the streets in L.A. and San Francisco when the coronavirus hits them? They're already getting infected with typhus and other communicable diseases as it is. Crapping on sidewalks isn't healthy.
You flunked math, right? The only source that counts is the Johns Hopkins database, Einstein. China’s mortality rate is 4%. And it’s always been about 4%.
geoffkait20,214 posts03-12-2020 3:57pm”Initially as noted earlier here, the initial numbers in China were showing the approximate same projected mortality rate as our early numbers. Now with a much larger pool of data it’s less than 1/2 of 1%.”
It warms my heart to see that you’re actually reading some of this. Well done!
You did miss the fact that the data sets were provided by different sources at different times, but maybe if you go back and re-read 4 or 5 more times more life changing facts will sink in. :)
Say, aren’t you the math wizard who posted this earlier today?
”Initially as noted earlier here, the initial numbers in China were showing the approximate same projected mortality rate as our early numbers. Now with a much larger pool of data it’s less than 1/2 of 1%.”
geoffkait20,213 posts03-12-2020 1:55pmIn Italy the numbers are 15,113 and 1,000. Do the math.
The data-set in Italy will prove to be much different than America. The median age here in America is 38.3 year and in Italy it's 47.3. it's the oldest country age wise in Europe.
Scientific Journal notes that most deaths in Italy are from people in their 80's and 90's. (By coincidence I was just driving back to my office and a Radio show stated the average age of death due to Coronavirus in Italy is 81)
One factor affecting the country’s death rate may be the age of its population—Italy has the oldest population in Europe, with about 23% of residents 65 or older, according to The New York Times. The median age in the country is 47.3, compared with 38.3 in the United States, the Times reported. Many of Italy’s deaths have been among people in their 80s, and 90s, a population known to be more susceptible to severe complications from COVID-19, according to The Local.
Given Italy’s older population, “you would expect their mortality rate to be higher on average, all else being held equal,” compared with a country with a younger population, Gordon told Live Science.
Scientific Journal also noted that the mortality rate in Wuhan where the Virus originated is much much higher than the rest of China:
A recent report from WHO found that the fatality rate was 5.8% in Wuhan, compared with 0.7% in the rest of the country, Live Science previously reported.
Scientific Journal also reprots that as preparedness and testing expands, Mortality rates drop.
Finally, the country may not be catching many of the mild cases of COVID-19. Often, as testing expands within a community, more mild cases are found, which lowers the overall death rate, Gordon said. This was the case in South Korea, which conducted more than 140,000 tests and found a fatality rate of 0.6%, according to Business Insider.
I went to Costco today. The place was a zoo. No bottled water, paper towels or toilet paper left. Just empty shelves. No problems in the wine and Vodka sections though, thankfully.
Nonoise ...
You know that guy whose name cannot be mentioned here? Well, 46,000,000 of your fellow citizens put Mr. No Name into office and agree with what he’s doing and the results attained so far. A certain percentage of those 46,000,000 are audiophiles. And a certain percentage of those audiophiles post on this site. You might want to take that into consideration before posting certain things. I do respect your passion though.
NoNoise. I guess they might have dropped on some of the smaller carriers. I can say as of today Delta was no less for the same flight as I purchased last month. Not meant as any criticism just my experience as I fly every week for work just about( 46 weeks or so).
uberwaltz, My bad. I thought the prices went down across the board and not just for international flights, and that good old greed got the better of folk.
Nothing like breathing that recirculated air. When prices go down, people will take advantage of it. Can't pass up on a bargain like that.
Good new: a Dr. Patel just spoke on TV and she was just in contact with two university heads of their respective health departments and they've been ready to do testing for some time now. They have the capacity to do 1,000 tests a day each with results in an hour.
The only thing is, no one has given the okay to do testing on the levels required and forward it to them.
Sitting in RDU airport right now. I can tell you nobody is backing out of flying at least domestic USA. It's a zoo in here and NO empty seats on my flight no matter the cock eyed BS they be spewing on the internet about empty flights!
Not even that many with masks on, good old complacent Americans!
Ohio is closing all K-12 schools and I think Michigan is doing the same. That leaves 48 states to go. NYC declared a state of emergency. Cases up 42 compared to a day ago. The doctors were right is saying we’re going to see a lot of spikes in infection and it’s to be expected, since they’ve always been there but haven’t been tested for yet.
The first F1 race is this weekend and McLaren and Haas are pulling out due to at least one crew member having the virus. I waited all this time for F1 and now this.
They had a reporter in China say that if you board a bus, enter a store, or even try to get back into your apartment, you will be tested. They said the facilities they wait in are nice and some prefer it to the loneliness of staying home, alone.
Since I’ve been out due to cataract surgery, I haven’t been to my gym. I called and inquired about the attendance and they told me all is well and they clean things on a regular basis. I’m still not sure if I will go back since I’m in that age group with the worse reactions to this. What part does vanity play in this?
There are many variables involved with this thing, age, health, location, prevention effectiveness, etc. I am only giving the big picture in these numbers. The problem is that the threat is growing here in the US. It doesn’t go away by itself or die in warm weather. Read my lips. 👄 Maryland governor just announced sweeping measures to fight the growing threat. Other states are surely to follow.
WHO global map of confirmed Coronavirus cases, even Iceland has it,
I'm more cognizant of washing my hands, keeping distance from others when out but that's all I'm doing that differs from my normal routine. Went to the gym this morning place looked deserted I guess that's a plus hopefully it will be tomorrow as well.
Some guy in Italy just got a €60 fine for walking around in public. But I am happy to hear the LTC facility where my sister resides has restricted visiting time to just three hours a day. You can't get in unless you finish a questionnaire and have your temperature taken.
Large number of children in population may change mortality/morbidity statistics significantly. It may be more telling once the numbers are adjusted for age. If I remember correctly, out of 40 people who succumbed in the U.S.A., 9 or so were from the same nursing home. That clouds the bigger picture a lot at this point.
I am of the belief that the best course of action is to present as optimistic outlook that you can to those you love. Not false, but best foot forward.
glubson, obviously the risk is higher for older persons and especially older persons with underlying health issues. Mortality rate is just straight numbers. If you find a breakdown of the numbers by age please share. If memory serves Johns Hopkins is keeping the global database.
Initially as noted earlier here, the initial numbers in China were showing the approximate same projected mortality rate as our early numbers.Now with a much larger pool of data it's less than 1/2 of 1%.
Why The Death Rate From Coronavirus Is Plunging In China March 3, 20206:18 PM ET
Similarly, a study released by China’s Center for Disease Control last month found that if you factor out all the data from Hubei province, where Wuhan is located, the fatality rate in the rest of China drops to 0.4%.
Why such a big difference between Hubei and the rest of China?
At a news conference the next day, Dr. Bruce Aylward — who had just concluded a fact-finding mission to China for the World Health Organization — pointed to three likely factors.
First, said Aylward, is that Wuhan suffered from being the first place where the new coronavirus surfaced. "Wuhan started fast and, and early. People didn’t know what we were dealing with. We were learning how to treat this."
The more patients medical staff saw, the more they could start identifying what kind of supportive care made a difference. So by the time patients started showing up in hospitals in other provinces, doctors and nurses there had a lot more information about what it takes to keep patients alive.
glupson, Just what do you want to be discussed concerning the coronavirus? I've only cited Drs., the WHO, policies being implemented in this country, etc. You come back with "conspiracies" which is the political fallback meme of a certain stripe along with "fake news". Does citing those policies upset you? I never mentioned him formally as that is already considered verboten, so I use pronouns and you get upset? There's no way to separate the two.
How about we talk about how Wall Street is handling this? Are they part of that great big conspiracy you allude to? Did the market drop 9 Trillion dollars because of a conspiracy against someone? Or was it the way it was handled, just like the medical response? Is that topic off the table as well? How's everybody's 401K doing, by the way?
If we started calling it a caravan instead of coronavirus....or maybe a coronavan....how much politicized hysteria and fear mongering do you suppose that would cause?
"Only you can bring up politics when it doesn’t suit your fancy?"
I do not bring up the politics, ever. I see annoyance in your constant banging on it. Leave it out of here.
I apologize, but I have not ran out of my talking points. I refuse to have talking points about politics on an audio thread casually talking about viral infections.
You did voice your pleasure with your posts being deleted, but it seems that you enjoy whole threads being deleted, too.
You are correct. Those are the words I was looking for to describe your insistence on polluting these innocent threads with political diatribes irrelevant to the topic.
No. It is called "being frustrated". Give us a break with political conspiracies. It is really getting boring.
That kind of talk is and had been used by a certain side ad nauseam as a fall back position when running out of talking points. To commit anything more to memory is just too taxing, I guess.
That is a political talking point, plain and simple.
Dr. Fauci said the common flu's rate is 0.1% and this virus is 0.9-1.0% which rounds up to 10 time worse. That figure of 3.4 was suspected after it first came out due to lack of data.
And, all this talk about "herd immunity" is being bandied about as if we're all back in the 14th century. It's been noticed on certain sites and other forms of programming and media but not at all used by the medical community while informing the public.
No doctor, in their right mind, is telling people to go out and get yourself infected. Quite the opposite. Just the herd mentality in some, here.
The purpose of using current data and keeping the public informed is to flatten the curve. Just go back and read the link that snapsc posted. It's a long read but I'm sure you can do it.
And, when politics interjects itself into medicine and how it affects the community at large, it's kinda hard to separate the two, but we're doing our best. To bring it up as an argument because you don't wanna hear it is being political, dontcha think?
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